jay_a2j wrote:Haggis_McMutton wrote:jay_a2j wrote:stuart133 wrote:
Life CAN come from non-life, it is called Abiogenesis.
When I see life come from non-life, I'll consider it. Until then, "life cannot come from non-life" still stands.
How do you even come to believe that something that is not living can produce something that is living? A rock will still be just a rock 364 gazillion years from now.
See the problem with this is you're saying: Event X seems really improbable, therefore event Y, which is even MORE improbable must be true.
I just rolled 6 with my dice 100 times in a row, gee that's really unlikely to happen by chance, therefore there must be a genie in the dice that's trying to communicate with me.
Not really sound logic there.
You know what is also very unlikely to happen by mere chance? The Earth's orbit. Just the right distance from the sun, any closer and it would be to hot to sustain life, any further and it would be to cold to sustain life. God is a masterful craftsman.
Eh guys, I'm sorry here but... after reading the past few pages I have to ask. Does it make sense that a rock is going to someday change into a living creature? I mean sure, some of its components like nutrients will go to a plant one day that sucks the nutrients from the dirt, and a cow will eat that plant, but beyond that I don't think that your rock (in any form such as sand), no matter how many years it sits there, will become a living organism.
You two are not getting the point. We do not fully understand the universe(maybe not even close), therefore we cannot say with 100% certainty anything about it.
We can't say with 100% certainty that we are not actually living in the matrix, we cannot say with 100% certainty that mice aren't actually a multidimensional being in disguise that are trying to manipulate the human race through their involvement in a lot of scientific experiments(yeah, so I'm not original), we cannot say with 100% certainty that rocks can't turn into life and we cannot say with 100% certainty whether a creator exists or not.(you might be sure he exists, based on personal reasons, but we obviously cannot make any objective claims or we wouldn't be having this debate)
We can only make educated guesses and assign probabilities to specific events. In known human history the sun has always come up in the morning, and for various scientific reasons it would make sense for it to come up in the morning, therefore we are pretty sure it will come up in the morning(but not 100% sure).
Similarly, there is absolutely no reason to believe a teapot may be orbiting Saturn, and as far as we know teapots only exist on earth(and maybe the ISS?) therefore we are pretty sure there isn't a teapot orbiting Saturn(but not 100% sure).
So now what you are doing is taking two statements that from all the objective knowledge humankind has are both staggeringly unlikely.
1. Life can come from a rock
2. The entire universe was made by an intelligent creator with X,Y,Z characteristics.
And saying 1. is really implausible so 2. must be true, but you are ignoring the fact that 2. is also very implausible.
It's exactly the same as my previous example, but let me give you another.
1. A human being can survive a plane crash from a height of 10000 meters (
link)
2. People can make deals with demons, selling their souls in return for some service.
1. is really implausible, therefore 2. must be true and Vesna must have sold her soul to survive.
See, doesn't really make sense, because the second option is as (or more) implausible than the first, so it makes no sense to assume it is true because the first is too unlikely.
