Are you proud of your country?

[saxitoxin]

Your just jelous that its not your dick im sucking.

Now do you have to turn every debate into mindless ramblings. I am beginning to get the idea that, with many of them banned now, you are the newest "cunt of CC"

Where as i dont particularly like arguing, hence my very rarely frequenting the Flame Wars of old, you seem to follow me around like a bad smell to try and start a fight with me.

I am asking you to stop now. By all means express opinion, but stop trying to get a rise out of me. I assure you this will be the only one you get.

I genuinly believed what i said about America and it could hardly be called sucking up. I also genuinly believe that every collective group of people are capable and almost always have, done something constructive in their time.

I have no doubt you have a fascinating story to tell but perhaps another thread would be better for your bio?

Trust me - no one is "following you", no one is "out to get" you, no grand forces are conspiring against you, there is no "influencing machine" trying to control your thoughts. Everything is okay, you are okay, you are among friends. The whole gang is here just to talk, Dariune.

Hoping you feel better,
- Saxi!
Unofficial CC Happiness Ombudsman

[Dariune]

Your just jelous that its not your dick im sucking.

Now do you have to turn every debate into mindless ramblings. I am beginning to get the idea that, with many of them banned now, you are the newest "cunt of CC"

Where as i dont particularly like arguing, hence my very rarely frequenting the Flame Wars of old, you seem to follow me around like a bad smell to try and start a fight with me.

I am asking you to stop now. By all means express opinion, but stop trying to get a rise out of me. I assure you this will be the only one you get.

I genuinly believed what i said about America and it could hardly be called sucking up. I also genuinly believe that every collective group of people are capable and almost always have, done something constructive in their time.

I have no doubt you have a fascinating story to tell but perhaps another thread would be better for your bio?

Thanks, Dariune!
- Saxi!
Unofficial CC Happiness Ombudsman

No i think this thread served quite well

Thanks Saxi
-Dariune

[Phatscotty]

The United States of America is not what it used to be.
It used to be full of pride that was well deserved.
Now it's just empty pride.
Pride based on lies, greed and foolishness.
I'd say our peak in deserved pride peaked and started its decline right around the time we went to Vietnam.
Now we're just a parasitic country that will suck your soul out of you if it meant we'd profit in any way shape or form.
I grew up (until I was about 17) liking capitalism and then realized how much of a monster it can be.
Capitalism has come full circle. And it will collect.

Edit: I'm not saying Socialism or Communism is great, though. They're all flawed in one way or another.

What do you expect? The government spent all the money for the next 8 years....and now a double dip recession.

[thegreekdog]

Sometimes I'm proud of my country, sometimes I'm not. But I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.

[The Bison King]

See what happens. I start talking about Ohio and suddenly the thread dies... oh well.

[muy_thaiguy]

Yes I am proud of it and patriotic. Don't like it, well, I don't give a damn. Yes, it has it's drawbacks, but what country doesn't?

[firsal901]

yes though there are some downs to it

but i mean, WE TOOK OUT THE SPANISH AND
AMERICANS 100 YEARS AGO

why woudn't i be proud??

[Balsiefen]

Pride in itself I think isn't altogether bad but it is the first step towards "my country, right or wrong" which is defiantly harmful. I like my country but I don't think I'm really proud of it; I defiantly don't see it as being superior to other lands as this would be entirely subjective. It would be rather better to be proud of specific aspects of a country rather than the thing as a whole which is far too much of a complex entity to be given a label and a ranking order.

[Nobunaga]

... Accident of birth or no, I am proud to be an American.

... We have just so totally kicked arse in so many fields for so very long, and it is our culture most mimicked (sometimes very entertainingly so) across the world. There is a reason for that.

... And then there is the model of government we have, though it is fading fast, a beacon to the world.

... I m not particularly proud of some of the things we do, as a nation, from time to time but on the whole, we completely rock.

...

[Phatscotty]

Yes

[Pedronicus]

This thread is bollox. Everyone is thinking of their country past and present. You sould only view your country as it is right now.

People other than yourself made the country in the past. How is your country today? Today and right now is how you can make a difference.

Otherwise you might as well make a thread called what was your favourite colour when you were 7

[natty dread]

... Accident of birth or no, I am proud to be an American.

... We have just so totally kicked arse in so many fields for so very long, and it is our culture most mimicked (sometimes very entertainingly so) across the world. There is a reason for that.

Your "culture?"

Forgive me for saying, but you don't have a culture.

[The Bison King]

Your "culture?"

Forgive me for saying, but you don't have a culture.

Disagreed. Ask any British member of this thread. They'll be the first to tell you that we do not share the same culture. Also go to a movie theater. You may not like it. It may not be the most high brow culture on this planet but it is a culture, and it's growing fast.

Ask a Canadian. The fact that they have to so desperately carve out their own culture, and prove to us and the rest of the world that it is different than United States culture is proof of a culture they must fight against.

Sure we haven't been around for more than 3 centuries (depending on how you count it) but things move faster in the "New World" that's just how it is, like it or not, that's just how it is.

[MeDeFe]

We went over that a while back, the result was that the USA is nowhere near as culturally dominant as was initially claimed by some posters. And we hadn't even started on the inevitable localizations that happen whenever a work is exported from one market to another and how they interfere with the cultural background of the work.

[The Bison King]

All I'm saying is that their is a definite difference between history and culture. If you define culture as the daily habits and customs of people in their everyday lives, then you shouldn't be able to say that any people in any land "don't have a culture" you can argue that they share a culture, but I do not believe that that is the case in this particular situation.

[natty dread]

All I'm saying is that their is a definite difference between history and culture.

Not really. Culture is derived from history. A common culture requires a common history.

You may choose to adopt another people's culture, but then you must also learn that people's history.

[The Bison King]

For example, I'm a cartoon guy. I like cartoons and shit. Europe's pretty bad about producing cartoons. I'm not saying that European cartoons are bad (in fact they're usually very good) but you aren't producing the plethora of cartoons that the USA or Japan does.

Cartoons are a product of the culture they are born of, like Bugs bunny war time cartoons, They could not of been produced by any other country at any other time than America in WWII. This is proof of culture. Look at Spongebob. Does that look like a Japanese cartoon? Absolutely not, it is distinctly different because it is the product of a different culture.

If America didn't have any sort of culture Bob Dylan would have never written music, or if he did he would of written polka or Scandinavian folk.

If America didn't have any sort of culture Rock and Roll wouldn't even be a genre.

Saying America has no culture is like saying lizards don't have a brain stem.

[The Bison King]

Not really. Culture is derived from history. A common culture requires a common history.

You may choose to adopt another people's culture, but then you must also learn that people's history.

I'll bite. I grew up in Cincinnati Ohio. The largest majority of people in Cincinnati are people who share a split German and Irish ancestry. This is not true of most of the rest of the country but this is extremely true of people from Cincinnati. It is something that we have in common. I know about German and Irish history (see my Celtic Nations map). I've been asking my mom and her sister for information on this subject for days now. We know about it. It is our ancestry and something we feel a connection too. However are not Irish, and We aren't German Either.

When you add blue and yellow together it makes green. Not blue, not yellow.

[the.killing.44]

the arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively

the customs, arts, social institutions, and achievements of a particular nation, people, or other social group

I'm sorry, what were you saying?

[natty dread]

When you add blue and yellow together it makes green. Not blue, not yellow.

Actually it depends.

Well, you probably know better, seeing as you live there, but from what I have observed, the cultural differences between Americans who live in different parts of America are far higher than the cultural differences inside any other country.

[The Bison King]

Well, you probably know better, seeing as you live there, but from what I have observed, the cultural differences between Americans who live in different parts of America are far higher than the cultural differences inside any other country.

Yes! this is exactly what I'm talking about, an undeniable proof of culture. Even though a person from California is different from a person from Kentucky they have a lot more to bond over and feel connected about that either of them do with a person from Poland.

[natty dread]

Well, you probably know better, seeing as you live there, but from what I have observed, the cultural differences between Americans who live in different parts of America are far higher than the cultural differences inside any other country.

Yes! this is exactly what I'm talking about, an undeniable proof of culture. Even though a person from California is different from a person from Kentucky they have a lot more to bond over and feel connected about that either of them do with a person from Poland.

But two persons from Poland have much more in common than two persons from the opposite ends of America.

[The Bison King]

But two persons from Poland have much more in common than two persons from the opposite ends of America.

Maybe, but I already got you to admit that both Nobunaga and I "have a culture" which is really all I wanted.

[jefjef]

When you add blue and yellow together it makes green. Not blue, not yellow.

Actually it depends.

Well, you probably know better, seeing as you live there, but from what I have observed, the cultural differences between Americans who live in different parts of America are far higher than the cultural differences inside any other country.

Well for one not many countries are of our size. Immigrants tended to habitat certain regions.Different religions are strong in diff regions. Heck there is a dozen accents of the same language. We have 50 states that legislate their own laws. We have different climates within our borders.

Yes we are many cultures.

[the.killing.44]

When you add blue and yellow together it makes green. Not blue, not yellow.

Actually it depends.

Well, you probably know better, seeing as you live there, but from what I have observed, the cultural differences between Americans who live in different parts of America are far higher than the cultural differences inside any other country.

I fail to see how this does anything to prove your point; in fact, I think it proves that America has a great culture.