Does the rest of the world really hate America?

[Phatscotty]

Shut the fuck up Titanic, where were you pussy Limeys when we needed your help to end slavery during our Civil War? You just sat on the sidelines waiting to see who would win. If you assholes had stopped trading with the South, hundreds of thousands of American lives could have been spared. And even worse, you almost openly sided with the goddamn slave drivers! So don't go playing that high horse crap.

Spare us your sanctimonious blather. You really are just as bad as Phatscotty. You're the British Phatscotty. So goddamn arrogant and stupid. You have pretty much zero credibility.

Want to see stupid? Read the underlined.

Actually and factually pimpdaves statement is very accurate. England was a major weapons and ship supplier to both the confederacy AND union. They played both sides of the fence.

Ever hear of Enfield? Thousands upon thousands were on our battlefields. English artillery was on our battlefields. English swords were on our battlefields. Some confederate commerce raiders were built in England and crewed by Europeans.

Now that I publicly agreed with pimp on something I must go hang myself.

Good bye cruel world...

I agreed with him also, as crude as his verbiage was. He twisted this and that, but yet overall it was absolutely true, which is why, while I always disagree with Player, it was very odd for Pimpdave to call me out in relation to players statement, under these stated circumstances. Pimpdave is officially a hater.

One thing he did misinterpret, was that it was in Britain's interest (at least governmentally) to divide America. @ the statement about "sitting on their ass waiting to see who would win"

Yes they by no way sat out of it. They played it safe so they could appear to be friends of the victors. But yes it would not have broken their hearts to have a divided weaker America. It's what they wanted.

He also leaned into the myth that the civil war was "to end slavery during our civil war"...he was kinda overlapping the realities of 1861-1863/pre emancipation proclamation Britain and projecting that onto 1863-65/post emancipation proclamation Britain.

As usual, he has the external facts correct, but the misinterpretation has been constant no matter the issue

[pimpdave]

I know you jerks love to downplay the huge role abolitionists played in the war. Everyone does. It helps the South feel more justified in having fought a war to perpetuate a vile practice and it allows some people to continue to claim they are victims and no one cared about their plight.

But there were diplomats sent to England and France seeking help for the Union's side under the promise that slavery would be abolished. The volunteers of 1861 (most of whom perished by 1863) enlisted to fight a war to end slavery.

So you keep your myths alive too. The reality is more complex, the South is awful, and Britain enjoys playing the selective memory game too.

[Falkomagno]

Shut the fuck up Titanic, where were you pussy Limeys when we needed your help to end slavery during our Civil War? You just sat on the sidelines waiting to see who would win. If you assholes had stopped trading with the South, hundreds of thousands of American lives could have been spared. And even worse, you almost openly sided with the goddamn slave drivers! So don't go playing that high horse crap.

Spare us your sanctimonious blather. You really are just as bad as Phatscotty. You're the British Phatscotty. So goddamn arrogant and stupid. You have pretty much zero credibility.

Want to see stupid? Read the underlined.

Actually and factually pimpdaves statement is very accurate. England was a major weapons and ship supplier to both the confederacy AND union. They played both sides of the fence.

Ever hear of Enfield? Thousands upon thousands were on our battlefields. English artillery was on our battlefields. English swords were on our battlefields. Some confederate commerce raiders were built in England and crewed by Europeans.

Now that I publicly agreed with pimp on something I must go hang myself.

Good bye cruel world...

I agreed with him also, as crude as his verbiage was. He twisted this and that, but yet overall it was absolutely true, which is why, while I always disagree with Player, it was very odd for Pimpdave to call me out in relation to players statement, under these stated circumstances. Pimpdave is officially a hater.

One thing he did misinterpret, was that it was in Britain's interest (at least governmentally) to divide America. @ the statement about "sitting on their ass waiting to see who would win"

Yes they by no way sat out of it. They played it safe so they could appear to be friends of the victors. But yes it would not have broken their hearts to have a divided weaker America. It's what they wanted.

And that exactly what usa is doing right now in the inner Africa civil wars. They are contributing with weapons, to both sides, and at the same time trying to appear as the "protector of democracy". Millions of lifes are been wasted there. It's fun how the bigotrots condemm that acts when is from UK, but defend it when is USA doing it.

[saxitoxin]

And that exactly what usa is doing right now in the inner Africa civil wars. They are contributing with weapons, to both sides, and at the same time trying to appear as the "protector of democracy". Millions of lifes are been wasted there. It's fun how the bigotrots condemm that acts when is from UK, but defend it when is USA doing it.

Having once worked in solidarity with the Popular Movement for the Liberation of Angola I can verily say that the mess of Africa was one created by pig-whore European colonialists, most especially Portugal, the UK and Belgium with the nightmarish Torture States they established in Mozambique, Kenya/Rhodesia and the Congo, repsectively.

The US and Canada have not done much to help solve it (most especially Canada with their penchant for gunning down schoolchildren in Somalia), only Cuba, China and the former nations of the eastern block have ... however, laying blame on the US/Canada for Africa is like blaming fat passengers for sinking the Titanic.

[Falkomagno]

Company total % of total total % of total
Biggest weapons Enterprises
arms sales sales of arms sales sales of
US billions corporation US billions corporation

1994 1999

Lockheed Martin (US) $15.9 63% $17.6 70%
BAE Systems (UK) $ 9.1 62% $15.7 77%
Boeing (US) $4.5 18% $15.3 27%
Raytheon (US) $3.9 35% $11.3 58%
Northrop Grumman (US) $6.2 85% $7.0 79%
General Dynamics (US) $3.2 94% $5.5 62%
Thomson-CSF (France) $4.2 65% $4.1 56%



MMm, I see 5 of 7 as the biggest weapons Enterprises to be USA based....

[saxitoxin]

Company total % of total total % of total
Biggest weapons Enterprises
arms sales sales of arms sales sales of
US billions corporation US billions corporation

1994 1999

Lockheed Martin (US) $15.9 63% $17.6 70%
BAE Systems (UK) $ 9.1 62% $15.7 77%
Boeing (US) $4.5 18% $15.3 27%
Raytheon (US) $3.9 35% $11.3 58%
Northrop Grumman (US) $6.2 85% $7.0 79%
General Dynamics (US) $3.2 94% $5.5 62%
Thomson-CSF (France) $4.2 65% $4.1 56%

MMm, I see 5 of 7 as the biggest weapons Enterprises to be USA based....

I'm not certain there are many insurgent groups in central Africa buying F-22 Raptors from Lockheed-Martin.

[the.killing.44]

And that exactly what usa is doing right now in the inner Africa civil wars. They are contributing with weapons, to both sides, and at the same time trying to appear as the "protector of democracy". Millions of lifes are been wasted there. It's fun how the bigotrots condemm that acts when is from UK, but defend it when is USA doing it.

To take a line from Lord of War: "I sell guns to every army but the Salvation Army."

[saxitoxin]

LOL - this comment on the BBC site I think sums up the attitudes of Americans and Britons perfectly:

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Americans don't hate the Brits, certainly not anywhere near a level that the Brits hate Americans. I have lived in both the US and UK and the level of unwarranted Anti-Americanism in the UK is shameful. I'm not saying Americans are so open and accepting of all people (ha obviously not true). I think Americans simply are too arrogant to spend their time hating the British or even caring about what they are doing.Foreigners they don't much think about, or care about, even in a situation like this. Meanwhile it seems that the Brits, love to spew Anti-American BS at any opportunity.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters ... l#comments
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That's been my experience here in the US. Americans just don't care. Britain and Europe is even less than a yapping dog on the front porch. It's not even on their radar. Europeans, generally - as seen here - though delight in festering and stewing over the United States.

the US : Europe :: Arrogant Celebrity : Creepy Stalker

I think that's what gets Europeans panties so up in a bunch. For big brother to not even know you exist, no matter how loud you shout or how high you jump up and down or how wildly you wave your arms, must be maddening. They would just as soon have Americans hurl insults back at them if they would just, somehow, acknowledge them in some way.

[jefjef]

LOL - this comment on the BBC site I think sums up the attitudes of Americans and Britons perfectly:

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Americans don't hate the Brits, certainly not anywhere near a level that the Brits hate Americans. I have lived in both the US and UK and the level of unwarranted Anti-Americanism in the UK is shameful. I'm not saying Americans are so open and accepting of all people (ha obviously not true). I think Americans simply are too arrogant to spend their time hating the British or even caring about what they are doing.Foreigners they don't much think about, or care about, even in a situation like this. Meanwhile it seems that the Brits, love to spew Anti-American BS at any opportunity.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters ... l#comments
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That's been my experience here in the US. Americans just don't care. Britain and Europe is even less than a yapping dog on the front porch. It's not even on their radar. Europeans, generally - as seen here - though delight in festering and stewing over the United States.

the US : Europe :: Arrogant Celebrity : Creepy Stalker

I think that's what gets Europeans panties so up in a bunch. For big brother to not even know you exist, no matter how loud you shout or how high you jump up and down or how wildly you wave your arms, must be maddening. They would just as soon have Americans hurl insults back at them if they would just, somehow, acknowledge them in some way.

Right on saxi!

But we do care about Barbados and Grenada. Oh and those that have black gold.

[stahrgazer]

(after watching this it's only the most pedantic who would be able to say Britain is anything but the sickest, depraved, once-dangerous island in the world; this is why they are universally hated to such a searing degree that they have themselves convinced they're actually loved;

aahhhhhh I get it... the rest of the world doesn't really hate America, it's Britain they hate, and America is under fire because initially a lot of America's founders began as British...and because the British want to feel loved so work hard to deflect all that hate across the ocean! Thanks for clearing that up, Uncle S!

[Phatscotty]

I know you jerks love to downplay the huge role abolitionists played in the war. Everyone does. It helps the South feel more justified in having fought a war to perpetuate a vile practice and it allows some people to continue to claim they are victims and no one cared about their plight.

But there were diplomats sent to England and France seeking help for the Union's side under the promise that slavery would be abolished. The volunteers of 1861 (most of whom perished by 1863) enlisted to fight a war to end slavery.

So you keep your myths alive too. The reality is more complex, the South is awful, and Britain enjoys playing the selective memory game too.

I do not love to downplay abolitionists (??????), and am rather proud of the abolitionists. Ben Frankling and John Adams have my highest respects, amongst others. You continue to mischaracterize, and for this reason is why you are usually ignored, and I also wonder what basis you have to make these statements about any position I have or do not have.

I am glad the North won, as I am in direct relation to U.S. Grant, and I know the history quite well. I also believe the south had a point. They lost, but ideas do not die. Slavery was not by any means the only issue, and only a fool would make that case. Yet the end of slavery is all to convenient to wrap the entire war into one issue.

People who have that attitude might as well be yelling about how clueless they are with details...

[saxitoxin]

(after watching this it's only the most pedantic who would be able to say Britain is anything but the sickest, depraved, once-dangerous island in the world; this is why they are universally hated to such a searing degree that they have themselves convinced they're actually loved;

aahhhhhh I get it...

Hmmm ... I don't think you do!

Uncle S. isn't American and could care less about America. Uncle S. may be off-topic in this thread but, because these threads tend to attract mostly Britons they serve his purposes. Uncle S. just really thinks every non-disabled, middle-to-upper-class white male in Britain needs to be made to pay for the global criminal racket to which they're party. And they will. A reckoning is coming.

That's all! It's all about justice, gang, and living in a world of equality and fair-play that's free from racism, chauvinism and hatemongering. Let's make it happen, gang!

(BTW - thank you for addressing me as Uncle! I've been asking people for awhile and no one will do it - ACK! LMAO, gang! )

[PLAYER57832]

I know you jerks love to downplay the huge role abolitionists played in the war. Everyone does. It helps the South feel more justified in having fought a war to perpetuate a vile practice and it allows some people to continue to claim they are victims and no one cared about their plight.

But there were diplomats sent to England and France seeking help for the Union's side under the promise that slavery would be abolished. The volunteers of 1861 (most of whom perished by 1863) enlisted to fight a war to end slavery.

So you keep your myths alive too. The reality is more complex, the South is awful, and Britain enjoys playing the selective memory game too.

Except, with absolutely no justification for slavery, the north likes to crow a bit too much about this. The real fact is that while there were strong abolitionists, there is also a history of horrible racial violance up north. I have lived all over. What I have found is that racism is not so much less prevalent up north as it is more hidden, even today. IN some ways, its easier to deal with someone who says, to your face "I just don't think your people and ours should mix", than it is to have a child not invited to parties, denied job applications, etc, etc, etc.

[AAFitz]

I know you jerks love to downplay the huge role abolitionists played in the war. Everyone does. It helps the South feel more justified in having fought a war to perpetuate a vile practice and it allows some people to continue to claim they are victims and no one cared about their plight.

But there were diplomats sent to England and France seeking help for the Union's side under the promise that slavery would be abolished. The volunteers of 1861 (most of whom perished by 1863) enlisted to fight a war to end slavery.

So you keep your myths alive too. The reality is more complex, the South is awful, and Britain enjoys playing the selective memory game too.

Except, with absolutely no justification for slavery, the north likes to crow a bit too much about this. The real fact is that while there were strong abolitionists, there is also a history of horrible racial violance up north. I have lived all over. What I have found is that racism is not so much less prevalent up north as it is more hidden, even today. IN some ways, its easier to deal with someone who says, to your face "I just don't think your people and ours should mix", than it is to have a child not invited to parties, denied job applications, etc, etc, etc.

Except, they wont get invited to parties get jobs and will have to listen to people saying they are inferior as well to their face.

Also, there is quite a big difference between social choices and employment choices. Social is just that, and theres no real point even worrying about someone who makes choices of who their friends are or what they use as reasons for it. Employment is completely different of course, which is why there are laws against such discrimination now, not to say they arent often disregarded by many, no doubt for a variety of reasons.

[PLAYER57832]

I know you jerks love to downplay the huge role abolitionists played in the war. Everyone does. It helps the South feel more justified in having fought a war to perpetuate a vile practice and it allows some people to continue to claim they are victims and no one cared about their plight.

But there were diplomats sent to England and France seeking help for the Union's side under the promise that slavery would be abolished. The volunteers of 1861 (most of whom perished by 1863) enlisted to fight a war to end slavery.

So you keep your myths alive too. The reality is more complex, the South is awful, and Britain enjoys playing the selective memory game too.

Except, with absolutely no justification for slavery, the north likes to crow a bit too much about this. The real fact is that while there were strong abolitionists, there is also a history of horrible racial violance up north. I have lived all over. What I have found is that racism is not so much less prevalent up north as it is more hidden, even today. IN some ways, its easier to deal with someone who says, to your face "I just don't think your people and ours should mix", than it is to have a child not invited to parties, denied job applications, etc, etc, etc.

Except, they wont get invited to parties get jobs and will have to listen to people saying they are inferior as well to their face.

This is not really what happens down south. Or rather, this happens from BOTH sides. You have whites claiming that black are inferior", though more it is just that they say "different". You also get plenty of blacks who see whites as nothing but a bunch of ignorant racists with few morals, who's whole society is based on depriving blacks of their due.

Also, there is quite a big difference between social choices and employment choices. Social is just that, and theres no real point even worrying about someone who makes choices of who their friends are or what they use as reasons for it. Employment is completely different of course, which is why there are laws against such discrimination now, not to say they arent often disregarded by many, no doubt for a variety of reasons.

Actually, the employment rules are probably honored more in the south, not less. Where there are exceptions, it tends to be "cultural". That is, you are less likely to see a mixed race fishing crew, but fishing crews tend to be "family" or "family and friend" type operations. I don't want to go too deeply into this, because things are changing and there are plenty of exceptions, but in a broad sense, fewer blacks historically had the ability to go out and get a boat, so it is not as much a part of their culture. When things started getting more equal is when things got tougher (to a point). Now, the Viethamese have made huge inroads, but that is because they have the historic/cultural background of fishing.

My point is that simply saying that the south is racist and the north is not so much is so much of a simplification as to be plain false. The nature of racism in the south is different, but so is a lot about north and southern culture.

Also, don't underestimate the extreme power of subtleties.

[Phatscotty]

And that exactly what usa is doing right now in the inner Africa civil wars. They are contributing with weapons, to both sides, and at the same time trying to appear as the "protector of democracy". Millions of lifes are been wasted there. It's fun how the bigotrots condemm that acts when is from UK, but defend it when is USA doing it.

Having once worked in solidarity with the Popular Movement for the Liberation of Angola I can verily say that the mess of Africa was one created by pig-whore European colonialists, most especially Portugal, the UK and Belgium with the nightmarish Torture States they established in Mozambique, Kenya/Rhodesia and the Congo, repsectively.

The US and Canada have not done much to help solve it (most especially Canada with their penchant for gunning down schoolchildren in Somalia), only Cuba, China and the former nations of the eastern block have ... however, laying blame on the US/Canada for Africa is like blaming fat passengers for sinking the Titanic.

That is China's chess board. That is the real world.

Now let me eat my fuc%$n corn flakes!

[notyou2]

My Canadian 2 cents...1.86 cents US. I don't hate americans or america. I dislike some aspects of america in general such as the common loutish/boorish behaviour but that's not all americans. I also dislike your level of patriotism. It is too much and unnecessary.

I dislike many things about Canada too.

[saxitoxin]

My Canadian 2 cents...1.86 cents US. I don't hate americans or america. I dislike some aspects of america in general such as the common loutish/boorish behaviour but that's not all americans. I also dislike your level of patriotism. It is too much and unnecessary.

You're clearly referring to this recent advertisement for Dodge on US American television showing George Washington running over British soldiers in a car -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St2FCxtl ... r_embedded

If that's the case, I agree with you, notyou2.

I dislike many things about Canada too.

You ain't the only one, hon!

Thanks, NY2!
- Uncle S.
Unofficial CC Happiness Ombudsman

[Army of GOD]

My 14 cents.

Whatthaf*** can anything less than 25 cents buy you today anyway?

1. Anyone that refers to America as a whole is a f****** moron. Basing individuals off a country's actions or basing individuals off an individual's actions makes me wanna beat people up with a golf club.

2. Overly patriotic people are annoying and dangerous. It shouldn't be about "your country" being the best and only looking out for your country's best interest....why the Hell can't it be looking out for humanity as a whole's best interest?

3. I cannot stand the fact that I'm judged because where I live and when I live in it. It's not like I choose to live here you f****** piece of s***.

4. I don't love nor hate America. It's had a huge impact on the world in the last hundred years (both in a positive way and negative).

Thank you, and goodnight.

[the.killing.44]

Whatthaf*** can anything less than 25 cents buy you today anyway?

Tootsie rolls @ 15¢ a pop.

[TheFuckinRiskGod]

The Fuckin Risk God likes Americans, but not for the reasons that they think he does.

He's all like: "hey, I think you're great" and they're all like :"yeah, we know." but secretly he is LAUGHING LAUGHING.

The Fuckin Risk God does not care for people.

P.S. and I must warn you that this P.S. comes from a CANADIAN, who loves American.. North and South, but not those guys just below us who take our oil and shove us their religion. Down with Pagans.

[grifftron]

The Fuckin Risk God likes Americans, but not for the reasons that they think he does.

He's all like: "hey, I think you're great" and they're all like :"yeah, we know." but secretly he is LAUGHING LAUGHING.

The Fuckin Risk God does not care for people.

P.S. and I must warn you that this P.S. comes from a CANADIAN, who loves American.. North and South, but not those guys just below us who take our oil and shove us their religion. Down with Pagans.

hmmm

[jefjef]

My 14 cents.

Whatthaf*** can anything less than 25 cents buy you today anyway? My dice

1. Anyone basing individuals off an individual's actions makes me wanna beat people up with a golf club. Whats wrong with judging someone from their own actions?

2. Overly patriotic people are annoying and dangerous. It shouldn't be about "your country" being the best and only looking out for your country's best interest....why the Hell can't it be looking out for humanity as a whole's best interest? Patriotism promotes ones country AND helps preserve it. Patriotism also does not cancel humanitarianism. look at the aid the US provides. The amount of food and medicines to Africa alone is staggering.

3. I cannot stand the fact that I'm judged because where I live and when I live in it. It's not like I choose to live here you f****** piece of s***. Well we should not be judged solely by where we live - true. But you do have a choice to at least try not to live where you live if you don't like it.

4. I don't love nor hate America. It's had a huge impact on the world in the last hundred years (both in a positive way and negative). Mostly positive. How could you not love America AoG? You have the freedom to spout crap like this without being censored.

Thank you, and goodnight.

Good night to you too.

[Dariune]

My 14 cents.

Whatthaf*** can anything less than 25 cents buy you today anyway?

1. Anyone that refers to America as a whole is a f****** moron. Basing individuals off a country's actions or basing individuals off an individual's actions makes me wanna beat people up with a golf club.

2. Overly patriotic people are annoying and dangerous. It shouldn't be about "your country" being the best and only looking out for your country's best interest....why the Hell can't it be looking out for humanity as a whole's best interest?

3. I cannot stand the fact that I'm judged because where I live and when I live in it. It's not like I choose to live here you f****** piece of s***.

4. I don't love nor hate America. It's had a huge impact on the world in the last hundred years (both in a positive way and negative).

Thank you, and goodnight.

To me this has made the most sense on this entire thread. Well said.

[cyrenius]

Dido