Platoon Mafia - VC lynched! Survivors win!

[safariguy5]

I'm beginning to wonder about this allegiance to a single character mechanic. It feels like that within the town, there are factions as well. I wonder if there is some sort of win condition we don't know about yet.

Sure there are. Haven't you seen the movie?

No I haven't. That may explain it.

[strike wolf]

In the movie there is Taylor played by Charlie Sheen, he's the protagonist, Sgt. Barnes, and Sgt. Elias. The story is told through the eyes of Taylor as he experiences the Vietnamese War starting out as the new guy and following him as he gets more acclimated into the troop. Now Barnes and Elias are probably two of the more relevant characters in this movie for the following, in the movie Lt. Wolf was technically in charge of the platoon and while that may be true, the loyalty of the platoon was split between Sgt. Barnes, the tough and strict Sgt. who lead through fear and intimidation and didn't take any shit from anyone in the unit and Sgt. Elias, more of a free spirit and more forgiving than Barnes about mistakes. A bad explanation probably but I was trying not to ruin the movie while explaining something that seems to have some validity as far as the game is concerned.

Anyways from his actions on day 1 with the bandwagons and everything my vote still rests with spiesr. vote spiesr

That being said I am also suspicious of Mandy being a mafia goon. Looking back over the information from day 1, setting himself up to be lynched actually looks more like a scum move as it's a 14 player game and you risk having a relatively unimportant scum (mandy) risk being lynched to get 3 town out of the way I would think is a fairly good deal for mafia. Of course considering all the risk behind this strategy I don't think mandy as scum would put himself at risk unless another possibly more important mafia member (spiesr) was at risk himself. So Fos: Mandy

[ga7]

I'm beginning to wonder about this allegiance to a single character mechanic. It feels like that within the town, there are factions as well. I wonder if there is some sort of win condition we don't know about yet.

I pondered about this statement a lot, as there's two ways to look at it, but as you seem to learn about the factions only from the death scenes, I reckon it wasn't in your role PM. Therefore you're not town.
Vote Safariguy

Even though I didn't vote AoG based on Mandy's ramblings yesterday (hell, he even fakeclaimed as town for BS), I also find Mandy fishy and would like to lynch him purely based on the fact that every time he does it he usually doesn't go about voting himself right away as if to taunt us. That or he has a lousy role and doesn't consider himself important to town, but still it'd be silly even for Mandy standards. Ergo, he's likely scum. But Safari slipped up IMO

[safariguy5]

I'm beginning to wonder about this allegiance to a single character mechanic. It feels like that within the town, there are factions as well. I wonder if there is some sort of win condition we don't know about yet.

I pondered about this statement a lot, as there's two ways to look at it, but as you seem to learn about the factions only from the death scenes, I reckon it wasn't in your role PM. Therefore you're not town.
Vote Safariguy

Even though I didn't vote AoG based on Mandy's ramblings yesterday (hell, he even fakeclaimed as town for BS), I also find Mandy fishy and would like to lynch him purely based on the fact that every time he does it he usually doesn't go about voting himself right away as if to taunt us. That or he has a lousy role and doesn't consider himself important to town, but still it'd be silly even for Mandy standards. Ergo, he's likely scum. But Safari slipped up IMO

I think you're overreading into my statement. I said 'allegiance to a single character" as a hidden win condition. I have the suspicion that if all the guys who support one of the sergeants are killed, the rest of the town may win under some odd survivor mechanic. It was just me speculating on the reason for having the allegiances when there's no immediate reason for its implementation.

I feel like I have no choice but to vote Mandy because I decided my vote yesterday based on his guarantee that AoG was scum.

[mandalorian2298]

I'm beginning to wonder about this allegiance to a single character mechanic. It feels like that within the town, there are factions as well. I wonder if there is some sort of win condition we don't know about yet.

I pondered about this statement a lot, as there's two ways to look at it, but as you seem to learn about the factions only from the death scenes, I reckon it wasn't in your role PM. Therefore you're not town.
Vote Safariguy

Even though I didn't vote AoG based on Mandy's ramblings yesterday (hell, he even fakeclaimed as town for BS), I also find Mandy fishy and would like to lynch him purely based on the fact that every time he does it he usually doesn't go about voting himself right away as if to taunt us. That or he has a lousy role and doesn't consider himself important to town, but still it'd be silly even for Mandy standards. Ergo, he's likely scum. But Safari slipped up IMO

You are forgetting one thing (and please give me an example if I'm wrong): every time I played the Lynching game I either a) was right, b) was ignored and the guy wasn't lynched or c) got NKed before I could be hung.

Seriously, there is obviously a bunch of townies who have to survive to win and your strategy apparently consists of not doing anything during the Day to avoid getting the attention and waiting for VC-s to pick you off one by one at Nights. The main reason why I played the way I have was because not enough other people have been playing (in the actually doing something sense). The other reason is because I am burdened with such a task that I would consider playing SK to be children play compared with my role. Seriously, if there is any among you grows more irritated and pissed off each time you open this thread, then you know what I'm talking about.

[spiesr]

I pondered about this statement a lot, as there's two ways to look at it, but as you seem to learn about the factions only from the death scenes, I reckon it wasn't in your role PM. Therefore you're not town.

I see this as something that we definitely need to look into here. I am curious to know what role safariguy has where he didn't know about these alignments from his pm. Are there many people without one of these alignments? Would they vanilla town or survivor types?

[pancakemix]

Safari knew there were alignments within town (as far as I could tell). He was merely wondering aloud whether these factions win separately, and I feel that there is a lot of validity to that notion.

Anyway, Vote Mandy because based on the assessment that we will either lose a mad townie or a mad scum, I don't think we have anything to lose in his lynch.

[mandalorian2298]

Safari knew there were alignments within town (as far as I could tell). He was merely wondering aloud whether these factions win separately, and I feel that there is a lot of validity to that notion.

Anyway, Vote Mandy because based on the assessment that we will either lose a mad townie or a mad scum, I don't think we have anything to lose in his lynch.

So, you either don't belong to fraction, which gives a high likelyhood of you being scum, or you are Barnes and you have realized from my post that I played how I played because I have been tasked with protecting the worst player in the Western hemisphere. Either way, unvote vote pancakemix in blind hope that he is sgt. Barnes and not one of his cronies.

Role claim, I am Chris Taylor. For all of you pro-Elias guys, I'm sorry to force your hand like this, but mine has been forced as well. Also, you would all have lost had I not done as I have done. Save Spiesr, save the world.

Additional thoughts:

1. Given the schism within the town I would say that there is no Mafia, only a SKs (probably VC Sniper or something) and maybe a few unaligned civies (at least one PGO, based on the movie). Given that Barnes is the bad guy in the movie, I would say that it's in the interest of both the Elias fraction and the civies to have this situation resolved by killing Barnes, since it make less likely that they will be caught in the crossfire.

2. For all of you pro-Barnes bastards out there, you are out numbered (two of yours bought the farm). Your only chance lies with hoping that if Barnes dies, your WC will change and you won't be endgamed.
I know what you must be thinking: does Barnes have four cronies in the movie, or only three. Well, to tell you the truth, I lost count myself in all that commotion. But, being we are armed with M-16, the most powerful assault rifle in the world, that can blow your head clean off, I guess the question you have to ask yourself is: Do I feel lucky?

Well

do

you,

punk!?

[Talapus]

Seems to me like Mandy posted a roleclaim awful quick.....anyone care to dispute it? I personally have never even seen this movie(I know, I know, lived in a hole aall my life apparently) But by the way strike wolf explained it there seems to be a lot of possibilities that most if not all of us have roles and some of them will probably be connected or work off eachother. So before hitching a ride on the mandy wagon(Which always makes my day...lol) I will wait and see if someone steps forth to dispute mandy's claim.

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riiiiight there are no mafia in this game, that's why we haven't been saying "Viet Cong" over and over and over, anyways congrats on getting your leader murdered tonight, if your had read you role pm there are no power roles and thus no doctors, your faction and any semblance of taking over the game is now meaningless.
You know, unless you are scum, which is likely, either way poorly played vote Mandy

[Talapus]

riiiiight there are no mafia in this game, that's why we haven't been saying "Viet Cong" over and over and over, anyways congrats on getting your leader murdered tonight, if your had read you role pm there are no power roles and thus no doctors, your faction and any semblance of taking over the game is now meaningless.
You know, unless you are scum, which is likely, either way poorly played vote Mandy

Ok, personally I think you could hold off on the vote. We all have our roles to play(IE, officers and the people underneath them etc) I think it's still possible some of us know who some of us are since some roles require you to be under command of others in a setup like this. Power roles there aren't, but from the explanation in the pm's I got the feeling that sooner or later someone else has to know who some others are in this game. So I'd like to wait for a role dispute to mandy's claim....or, does someone want to stand up and verify thats his role? No reason to help VC out just because we all want to see mandy get offed. Although, just so you know mandy.....I have popcorn ready to go and a nice cold beer set aside for that outcome...lol.

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Fine it won't matter tomorrow... as much good as it will do you Unvote but anyways no hijacking town!

[strike wolf]

I agree with talapus, rushing to any vote would be stupid. Not a revolutionary idea of course but waiting a bit to get some real discussion going without waiting too long to cause the game to become stagnant is a good idea.

As for Ga7's comment on Safari's post. I thought the same thing at first but looking at it for a while the impression I got initially was that he was aligned with Sgt. Elias. After what's come out with Mandy over the last little bit I'm not as convinced fos: Safari

Mandy's roleclaim: I'm still not sure I really believe it. it's possibly the most obvious role in the game to pick considering it's the protagonist and was mentioned in the night scene and the claim did come early in the day. That being said I don't really know Mandy's style of playing very well but I know he's experienced enough that even if he is scum the playing style seems odd (maybe just mandy being mandy I don't really know) and yeah maybe the early claim is to prevent town from making a huge mistake but than why put youself at risk like that anyways even if you do claim that it's because you were trying to get activity up. All in all I actually do believe him about his role claim and am willing to unvote spiesr based on the facts that it appears they are aligned and I believe mandy to be town at this point unless we have reasonable evidence provided to the contrary. I do disagree on the mafia part I think there is at least a two man mafia outthere.

talapus, I'm not convinced by his roles intentions after his last comment where he is seemingly unaware of their being specific allegiances at the beginning of the game, he appears to be at the very least a non-affiliated person and at worst scum. fos: talapus

[mandalorian2298]

riiiiight there are no mafia in this game, that's why we haven't been saying "Viet Cong" over and over and over, anyways congrats on getting your leader murdered tonight, if your had read you role pm there are no power roles and thus no doctors, your faction and any semblance of taking over the game is now meaningless.
You know, unless you are scum, which is likely, either way poorly played vote Mandy

WTF is this? "If you have read your role PM"? Isn't this the same thing as quoting the PM?

Anyhow, I am Survivor (among other things), so if I croak, I don't really care which fraction wins, save the fact that, after the moronic and careless way that he played Day 1, the thought of someone NKing Spiesr gives me a pleasant tingly sensation.

The only was for faction Elias to win is to kill Barnes today. Am I Barnes? Yes, first I played the lynching game against one of my own men yesterday, then I found out who Elias is and then I role-claimed the main character in the movie without my role claim being challenged. No, wait that makes no sense. Ok, I'm not Barnes and Spiesr is not Barnes. Start looking from there.

[ga7]

Mandy, sorry but you played really stupidly there. While I suspect there are some roles that need to kill the faction leaders should they be discovered, it isn't part of the soldiers VC. The enemy is not Barnes, it's the Viet Congs. You're playing as if you need to kill all Barnes affiliates when it's the VC we need lynched. Sure, there are some supputations as to whether the factions will play a part, but guess what: the main scum are still the VC that could perfectly win while we're killing each other.
Furthermore, the very fact you name Spiesr as a faction leader ensures that whatever use he could have as a potential power role is screwed. You made no sense from beginning to end, as even if there could be a future use to factions you shot yours right in the foot. All this while playing the main character. It is truly ridiculous.
You claim you did your lynching game to prevent Spiesr to get lynched, while we perfectly now there were too many Spiesr affiliates for that to be possible, especially since AoG was slipping up like crazy. Seriously, I am appalled.
Our only power is to lynch, therefore we must hunt scum. I don't think at this point except if someone in his faction is as silly as Mandy we could even have a way to find Barnes, but we could possibly find scum for a good reason: yesterday I doubt Spiesr would have been voted by his own men, and there's two less Barnes affiliates now. If we can gauge a number in each faction, we could find out who is likely VC as they'd be happy with wagons like that.

[ga7]

Since it came to this a question for Spiesr: do you know anyone under you?

Anyway I reread and found less decisive info than I expected. Not many people defended Spiesr, and it's not very convenient to distinguish potential VC from Barnes affilates. Anyway ultimately I find Tal's statement more fishy than Safari's one, especially after Saf's explanation of it and the fact Tal seems unaware altogether how it works. It is quite clear now most of us are soldiers with one affiliation and a tough VC, but Tal I think got mislead by the first part common to all our roles. It's the section at the top, read it.
Now you might catch my drift when I reckon Tal assumed an awful lot without the full information provided by a town role PM.

Unvote Vote Tal




Elias faction:
4. Spiesr
1. Mandalorian2298 (unless counterclaimed)
14. Ga7


Barnes faction or VC:
6. Pancakemix
8. Strike Wolf
12. cena-rules
9. Safariguy5
10. /

Unknown:
2. Thezzaruz (replacing Lord Voldemort)
3. Talapus
5. Icedagger
13. LSU Tiger Josh

[Talapus]

Ok, I don't get it. Why would Mandy's role be survivor with a claim like that. I mean granted, it's war and it's pretty much get home safetly, to win. But if Mandy's claim is thruthful on both accounts then my earlier assesment is completely inaccurate. I still completely think it feasible that some of us know who others are since we are all fighting and working with eachother in a war setting. However if this survivor claim is legit then that theory is totally bogus. So now, I'm really not sure. Would still love to hear a counter claim at this point if there is one.

[pancakemix]

Safari knew there were alignments within town (as far as I could tell). He was merely wondering aloud whether these factions win separately, and I feel that there is a lot of validity to that notion.

Anyway, Vote Mandy because based on the assessment that we will either lose a mad townie or a mad scum, I don't think we have anything to lose in his lynch.

So, you either don't belong to fraction, which gives a high likelyhood of you being scum, or you are Barnes and you have realized from my post that I played how I played because I have been tasked with protecting the worst player in the Western hemisphere. Either way, unvote vote pancakemix in blind hope that he is sgt. Barnes and not one of his cronies.

That's a very blind hope. Very blind, indeed. It probably hinges on me having seen the movie, and like Tal, I've been living in a hole all my life. Sorry to burst your bubble.

[safariguy5]

Since it came to this a question for Spiesr: do you know anyone under you?

Anyway I reread and found less decisive info than I expected. Not many people defended Spiesr, and it's not very convenient to distinguish potential VC from Barnes affilates. Anyway ultimately I find Tal's statement more fishy than Safari's one, especially after Saf's explanation of it and the fact Tal seems unaware altogether how it works. It is quite clear now most of us are soldiers with one affiliation and a tough VC, but Tal I think got mislead by the first part common to all our roles. It's the section at the top, read it.
Now you might catch my drift when I reckon Tal assumed an awful lot without the full information provided by a town role PM.

Unvote Vote Tal




Elias faction:
4. Spiesr
1. Mandalorian2298 (unless counterclaimed)
14. Ga7


Barnes faction or VC:
6. Pancakemix
8. Strike Wolf
12. cena-rules
9. Safariguy5
10. /

Unknown:
2. Thezzaruz (replacing Lord Voldemort)
3. Talapus
5. Icedagger
13. LSU Tiger Josh

The last part of your post makes it sound like you want some sort of mass faction claim ga7. Is anybody else in support of this? Also, Thez hasn't been active in the other game going on, so he may need to be replaced.

[ga7]

No, not in support of a mass claim at all, just was trying to sort out for myself where everyone stands so far purely based on obviousness (posts defending spiesr, voting, etc). I wouldn't have done that hadn't Mandy claimed, and I don't think a mass claim will help sort it out, as Tal is prolly the only we'll manage to catch this way.
Btw Tal proved again that he's not town with his last post.

[spiesr]

Whoa, lot's of stuff going down here. I had better post up...
First of all, I am Elias. I have was not told who or how many people are allied with me. I was told that I have enemies within the platoon though.
As for Mandy, I have no way to verify whether his claim is legit or not. The VC supposedly have fake claims and he could be one of them. On the other hand, it would strike me as possibly unbalanced for the VC to be told the identity of a potentially important role. Of course, it is possible that they could have done some sort of investigation to find out this info. I can't verify ga7 either, with him there is the additional possibility of him not having known my identity and fakeclaiming after Mandy mentioned it.

[nagerous]

The soldiers stumbled upon a VC camp. However, what they did not realise was they were being set up. One of the soldiers noticed a box with a map and some Vietnamese battle plans in it.

"We should take this with us" he stated

Just as he was about to pick it up one of the other soldiers in the style of Admiral Ackbar shouted "No don't! It's a trap!" but it was too late.

Private Gardner picked up the box and blew to smitherines.

Feeling more disheartened the troops continued their march and also continued to hunt VC within their own camp


Thezzaruz - Private Gardner - (Soldier, Elias allied) has been day killed!

[spiesr]

Ok, I don't get it. Why would Mandy's role be survivor with a claim like that. I mean granted, it's war and it's pretty much get home safetly, to win. But if Mandy's claim is thruthful on both accounts then my earlier assesment is completely inaccurate. I still completely think it feasible that some of us know who others are since we are all fighting and working with eachother in a war setting. However if this survivor claim is legit then that theory is totally bogus. So now, I'm really not sure. Would still love to hear a counter claim at this point if there is one.

Yeah Talapus, unless you have some sort of special role or are scum you really should know that you need to survive to win in this game...
Unvote Vote Talapus

[nagerous]

VOTE COUNT


Mandy (3) Safariguy, Pancake, /
Safariguy (1) Ga7
Pancake (1) Mandy
Talapus (1) Spiesr

with 11 alive it is 6 to lynch

[Talapus]

Ok, I don't get it. Why would Mandy's role be survivor with a claim like that. I mean granted, it's war and it's pretty much get home safetly, to win. But if Mandy's claim is thruthful on both accounts then my earlier assesment is completely inaccurate. I still completely think it feasible that some of us know who others are since we are all fighting and working with eachother in a war setting. However if this survivor claim is legit then that theory is totally bogus. So now, I'm really not sure. Would still love to hear a counter claim at this point if there is one.

Yeah Talapus, unless you have some sort of special role or are scum you really should know that you need to survive to win in this game...
Unvote Vote Talapus

Wow, skim much do we? In your previous post you confirm my line of thinking and then three posts later you vote me for something you just confirm. And both after the post of mine you just quoted. So explain to me how exactly it makes sense that you jump right on board and agree with ga7 without really adding anything to the discussion yourself after already confirming that you know other men are in your platoon? Because I have yet to see a survivor lynched or day killed and everyone we've lost so far is obviously town, so even your reason for voting me sucks. And with that spiesr....you just earned my vote. You answer all those points accuately though and we'll discuss changing that. Vote: spiesr