Perception of Top 10 Clans [Annually + Longevity]

[owenshooter]

i have no idea why the BpB are not on the top of the list for all the years listed... this clan envy is getting out of hand... we can not help it that we are the sexiest clan CC has ever seen...-the black jesus

[Incandenza]

i have no idea why the BpB are not on the top of the list for all the years listed... this clan envy is getting out of hand... we can not help it that we are the sexiest clan CC has ever seen...-the black jesus

You can rest assured that if there's ever a thread called "Perception of Sexiest CC Clans by Years" [sic], you guys will indeed top the list.

[Gold Knight]

i have no idea why the BpB are not on the top of the list for all the years listed... this clan envy is getting out of hand... we can not help it that we are the sexiest clan CC has ever seen...-the black jesus

You can rest assured that if there's ever a thread called "Perception of Sexiest CC Clans by Years" [sic], you guys will indeed top the list.

I dunno, anything said with an accent has to be kind of sexy, and everytime I think of De Veroveraars der Lage Landen I get all hot and bothered...

[Blitzaholic]

Hell's Messengers just got deleted.

Here are the active clans with war results (was doing some ladder work last night)

++The Legion++
A Fistful of Sixes
Agents Of Chaos
Angels of Death
Black Sheep Squadron
Brethren of the Fat Mermaid
Bullet Proof Bandits
De Veroveraars der Lage Landen
Death By Comity
Devil's Brigade
Dynasty
EMPIRE
Eternal Empire
FOED
Generation 1: The Clan
Grim Reapers
Immortal Assassins
Imperial Dragoons
Karma Clan
Knights of the Round Table
Left4Dead
Legends of The Zone
Legends of War
Memento Mori
Mythology
Nemesis
Project Firestorm
Soldiers of War
The Dark Knights of Chaos
The Last Warriors
The Odd Fellows Union
The Spanking Monkeys
THOTA

thank you JP

[jpcloet]

2 year ladder has been updated. If you include only the 2010 challenges and set the reliability rating up to 1, here's what you get. I was surprised to see players split from BSS, however, BSS is actually 0-5 this year in some really tough battles.

Rank Clan Name
1 Knights of the Round Table
2 The Odd Fellows Union
3 Immortal Assassins
4 Legends of War
5 Brethren of the Fat Mermaid
6 EMPIRE
7 Bullet Proof Bandits
8 The Spanking Monkeys
9 Project Firestorm
10 Agents Of Chaos
11 THOTA
12 Generation 1: The Clan
13 Imperial Dragoons
14 Nemesis
15 Angels of Death
16 A Fistful of Sixes
17 Memento Mori
18 Eternal Empire
19 ++The Legion++
20 Mythology
21 Devil's Brigade
22 The Last Warriors
23 Legends of The Zone
24 FOED
25 Soldiers of War
26 Black Sheep Squadron
27 Left4Dead
28 Grim Reapers
29 Death By Comity
30 The Dark Knights of Chaos
31 De Veroveraars der Lage Landen
32 Dynasty
33 Karma Clan

[Dako]

Oh oh, I sense some talk coming soon.

[Chariot of Fire]

Good to see THOTA taking on a Top 5 clan in the Conq Cup semi

[jpcloet]

Oh oh, I sense some talk coming soon.

4 months left in the year, a few clans are certainly poised to jump up spots with the CCup. The G1-BPB challenge may be bigger than most think based on this. League plays a big part of the result obviously.

[MTIceman41]

That ladder has some glaring mistakes in it...

[danryan]

Lol, you mean like Mythology destroyed the Brethren, yet they're #5 and you're 20? That list looks absolutely ridiculous, no way THOTA is #11. Project Firestorm, a dead clan that did nothing, is #9? This makes the Power Rankings all the more attractive as a way to seed events that require matchups, like the Conqueror's Cup. Sorry jp, but this one looks awful.

[TheBro]

Or does it finally make sense?

No I agree it doesn't. But I was just asking.

[jpcloet]

Lol, you mean like Mythology destroyed the Brethren

The quick table above is 2010 only. Myth beat BFM last year.....

THOTA is 3-0 but their competition have not faced great competition, and their league result was ok.

Project Firestorm should have their reliability factor adjusted, you get this type of result when you only have 1 data point. Most people will mentally remove them anyway.

I've been messing around with the timelines.

I'm thinking of reducing the 2 year RPI to 18 months which looks like this....

Rank Clan Name
1 The Odd Fellows Union
2 Knights of the Round Table
3 THOTA
4 Immortal Assassins
5 The Spanking Monkeys
6 Imperial Dragoons
7 Legends of War
8 Generation 1: The Clan
9 Nemesis
10 EMPIRE
11 Angels of Death
12 Bullet Proof Bandits
13 FOED
14 Brethren of the Fat Mermaid
15 Mythology
16 ++The Legion++
17 Black Sheep Squadron
18 Agents Of Chaos
19 Devil's Brigade
20 Eternal Empire
21 Legends of The Zone
22 Left4Dead
23 Soldiers of War
24 Death By Comity
25 The Last Warriors
26 Grim Reapers
27 De Veroveraars der Lage Landen
28 A Fistful of Sixes
29 Karma Clan
30 Dynasty
31 Project Firestorm
32 Memento Mori
33 The Dark Knights of Chaos

[the.killing.44]

2 year ladder has been updated. If you include only the 2010 challenges and set the reliability rating up to 1, here's what you get. I was surprised to see players split from BSS, however, BSS is actually 0-5 this year in some really tough battles.

Rank Clan Name
1 Knights of the Round Table
2 The Odd Fellows Union
3 Immortal Assassins
4 Legends of War
5 Brethren of the Fat Mermaid
6 EMPIRE
7 Bullet Proof Bandits
8 The Spanking Monkeys
9 Project Firestorm
10 Agents Of Chaos
11 THOTA
12 Generation 1: The Clan
13 Imperial Dragoons
14 Nemesis
15 Angels of Death
16 A Fistful of Sixes
17 Memento Mori
18 Eternal Empire
19 ++The Legion++
20 Mythology
21 Devil's Brigade
22 The Last Warriors
23 Legends of The Zone
24 FOED
25 Soldiers of War
26 Black Sheep Squadron
27 Left4Dead
28 Grim Reapers
29 Death By Comity
30 The Dark Knights of Chaos
31 De Veroveraars der Lage Landen
32 Dynasty
33 Karma Clan

lol

[Army of GOD]

I'm failing to see the One Man Clan on any of these lists...

[jpcloet]

I'm failing to see the One Man Clan on any of these lists...

Show me a challenge thread with other clans that meet the regular clan standards and then I'll add your clan.

[Blitzaholic]

JP, your ladder and system make NO sense and is becoming more of a joke as the years go on. Not many clans take your ladder formulas seriously anymore, been going down hill. I mean no disrespect, but, in all honestly, it is laughable, why post such idiotic jargon?

see Chuuuuck's cup idea and poll of top clans idea.

The more and more Chuuuuck does his polls for 2010 the more and more it tends to reflect more accuracy or what many feel are the top clans, and just the opposite is happening with your ladders JP, the more and more you use them and tweak them, the further and further they are away from reality.

Again, this is why I am considering counting all the clan challenges 40 games or more (not just last 18 months) and coupling it with chuuuuck's clan leaders votes of polls. the top 2010 clans will perhaps be a product of both in this thread, it has some stat value and players experienced opinion polls merged to result a final outcome. A computer system with human beings perspective to reflect more accuracy. Your ladder only shows why a human element is needed more and more and this is why many of us have supported Chuuuuck's idea over this entire year of 2010.


I respect your efforts in exhausting your many hours into this JP, but, to me, it is very challenged to use a ladder only when your outcomes of this year seem off the mark by many experienced veterans. I would tend to favor and lean on the CC players and experts who play in a ton of clan challenges to have some valuable merit.

[jpcloet]

JP, your ladder and system make NO sense and is becoming more of a joke as the years go on. Not many clans take your ladder formulas seriously anymore, been going down hill. I mean no disrespect, but, in all honestly, it is laughable, why post such idiotic jargon?

Sometimes I wonder that myself.

Maybe because it has been used as a foundation or conversations. Whether rightly or wrongly perceived.

viewtopic.php?f=438&t=109045&start=60#p2449410.

Honestly, I'd rather have a leap frog, but I don't think clans would adhere to what is needed to make it work.

[MTIceman41]

Your second ladder was much better, but still I agree that Chuck's is still the most accurate...all of your hard work/statistics/analytics/etc I think can still be utilized to compliment Chuck's maybe

[jpcloet]

Vote + League + Wars is something that I'm trying to work on. League has most of my attention lately.

[nagerous]

I don't think jpcloet's clan rank is inaccurate at all. Seems about right to me, judging on recent results and the decay factor.

[TheBro]

The problem with perception and voting and all that some people don't get it. The whole point of voting is how strong you think that clan is, correct? So why do people say "oh well this clan is unproven so I can't vote them higher." The whole point of perception is that you don't need the proof. So either stop skewing the voting or stop complaining about statistics.

[Dako]

Also, this is just 2010 year, no previous data and some famous 10-0 stats. Just pure 2010 and the clan activity level.

[Incandenza]

I'm just imagining the joy on jp's face once he realized that he had a chance to post a ladder with THOTA at #11. Thanks agane jp.

[jpcloet]

It neither makes me happy or sad. It makes me sad to see great potential clans like Proj Fire continue to fail. 2010 has not been a great year for THOTA but is still solid. Did you not see the 18 month one?

viewtopic.php?f=438&t=109045&start=600#p2762714

[Foxglove]

Also, this is just 2010 year, no previous data and some famous 10-0 stats. Just pure 2010 and the clan activity level.

I'm just imagining the joy on jp's face once he realized that he had a chance to post a ladder with THOTA at #11. Thanks agane jp.

Actually, I think it's not really fair to just look at 2010 results. This obviously worked out well numerically for KORT (ahem), because we played and beat #s 3 and 8? according to the seeding rankings for the cup - numbers which turned out to be relatively similar to the power rankings. THOTA's participation in the cup meant that as the #1 seed, they were required to play #s 16 and then Legion (I don't remember their number).

So using KORT and THOTA as examples here, KORT was ranked lower and successfully battled stronger opposition (according to the ranking numbers), and THOTA was ranked number 1, and played lesser opposition (again, according to the numbers). So KORT obviously got a huge bump here as we did well in the league were successful in our more difficult matches.

I suppose this is a problem in general with using the CC Cup matches as challenge results (high ranked clans are required to use their challenge capacity to play much lower ranked clans, and even winning these matches won't yield impressive ladder results), though it never really occurred to me before now.