Logic dictates that there is a God!

[jay_a2j]

my dear boy...God is eternal...has always been, will always be.

[niMic]

Sweet evil jesus, why are you people still posting here?! Do you seriously believe you can get through to a fundamentalist who could say something as insanely stupid as this?:

Furthermore if evolution is always happening WHY do we not see it all around us??? Perhaps a bird with gills or a lizard with feathers??

I've had debates with a fair number of christians, and 99% of the had atleast a basic concept of what evolution is, as opposed to this fundamentalist who obviously is so weak-minded he blindly believes what he has been taught at bible-school. I think I'm going to show this quote of yours to some of those christians, and I'm pretty sure they'll laugh at you, while at the same time feel a part of them die for having to be on the "same team" as you.

Don't bother replying to me, I won't be back here, I'll just lose even more faith in the ability of the human race to survive itself. Well, in a way I guess I'm happy there's people like you, makes the religious right seem so much more ridiculous. Thank you

[Pilate]

Anyone mention the babel fish?

[jay_a2j]

Sweet evil jesus, why are you people still posting here?! Do you seriously believe you can get through to a fundamentalist who could say something as insanely stupid as this?:

Furthermore if evolution is always happening WHY do we not see it all around us??? Perhaps a bird with gills or a lizard with feathers??

I've had debates with a fair number of christians, and 99% of the had atleast a basic concept of what evolution is, as opposed to this fundamentalist who obviously is so weak-minded he blindly believes what he has been taught at bible-school. I think I'm going to show this quote of yours to some of those christians, and I'm pretty sure they'll laugh at you, while at the same time feel a part of them die for having to be on the "same team" as you.

Don't bother replying to me, I won't be back here, I'll just lose even more faith in the ability of the human race to survive itself. Well, in a way I guess I'm happy there's people like you, makes the religious right seem so much more ridiculous. Thank you

Well if you won't be back this won't hurt much. You obviously don't have much use for logic. If evolution is always happening there would be evidence of it.... and as there is none (and I don't care how SLOW it occurs that makes no difference).....a reptile will not all of the sudden give offspring with wings..... given this fact it is only reasonable to see that if everything is evolving there should be some spiecies of animals growing limbs and such (evidenced by previous fossils) SOMEPLACE on the globe. And as for your "christian" friends..... the word is far too overused to describe ANYONE who wants the label.


And what really kills me about you anti-christians is that you take more offence to us then the muslim extremists who behead anyone not toteing around a Queran.

[Pilate]

Sweet evil jesus, why are you people still posting here?! Do you seriously believe you can get through to a fundamentalist who could say something as insanely stupid as this?:

Furthermore if evolution is always happening WHY do we not see it all around us??? Perhaps a bird with gills or a lizard with feathers??

I've had debates with a fair number of christians, and 99% of the had atleast a basic concept of what evolution is, as opposed to this fundamentalist who obviously is so weak-minded he blindly believes what he has been taught at bible-school. I think I'm going to show this quote of yours to some of those christians, and I'm pretty sure they'll laugh at you, while at the same time feel a part of them die for having to be on the "same team" as you.

Don't bother replying to me, I won't be back here, I'll just lose even more faith in the ability of the human race to survive itself. Well, in a way I guess I'm happy there's people like you, makes the religious right seem so much more ridiculous. Thank you

Well if you won't be back this won't hurt much. You obviously don't have much use for logic. If evolution is always happening there would be evidence of it.... and as there is none (and I don't care how SLOW it occurs that makes no difference).....a reptile will not all of the sudden give offspring with wings..... given this fact it is only reasonable to see that if everything is evolving there should be some spiecies of animals growing limbs and such (evidenced by previous fossils) SOMEPLACE on the globe. And as for your "christian" friends..... the word is far too overused to describe ANYONE who wants the label.


And what really kills me about you anti-christians is that you take more offence to us then the muslim extremists who behead anyone not toteing around a Queran.

Do you believe in bacteria? Anti-biotics?

Anti-biotics are drugs that are used to kill bacteria (i.e. germs). They are quite effective. However, today germs are becoming more and more resistant to antibiotics. Why?

Likely because antibiotics are overused. You see, the more bacteria are exposed to antibiotics, the more changes it has of mutating into a strain that is resistant to antibiotics. The new strain is less susceptible to the drugs. The old strain dies out (b/c of the drugs), but the new strain survives.

This is called evolution. Evolution is not alligators growing wings as you seem to believe. Evolution is simply a population of creatures slowly adapting to their environment through changes in their DNA. Sheesh

[jay_a2j]

No...that is called ADAPTATION. When a life form adapts to its surroundings. Evolution is the changing of one life form into a totally new life form through a loooooong process.


The bacteria may adapt...but it is STILL bacteria!

[thegrimsleeper]

A "loooooong process" of "ADAPTATION" is another word for evolution.

If a being must adapt, it must change. Agreed?

ADAPTATION. When a life form adapts to its surroundings.

Obviously you do have a basic understanding of the word in this context. Now imagine the Ice Age... Could a present-day elephant survive in such a climate? No. Today's elephants are descended from the woolly mammoths of old. Why all the hair? Because they adapted to their environment by growing enough hair to insulate themselves from the cold. When the glaciers finally began to melt, they began to shed their wool. Today's elephants, only about 200,000 years later, are half the size of the mammoths of the most recent Ice Age, and hairless. It is not classified as the same species because of its inherent difference.

Some argue that sabretooth cat shared a common ancestry as today's tigers and lions... There were no tigers as we know them today in the Ice Age... Where did these species come from, these elephants, these tigers, these lions...

I suppose God just got tired of his old mammoths and sabretooth cats... Just replaced them one day with tigers and elephants?

Believe what you want, but for Christ's sake, man... There are kids on this site! Don't pollute their minds with your right-wing propaganda!

Just thought I'd point that out.

[Pilate]

No...that is called ADAPTATION. When a life form adapts to its surroundings. Evolution is the changing of one life form into a totally new life form through a loooooong process.


The bacteria may adapt...but it is STILL bacteria!

See, you don't even know what evolution is. Go take a basic biology course, then come back.

BTW, capitalizing certain words does NOT make what you are saying true. It's much more simple than that. You're just WRONG.

[jay_a2j]

No...that is called ADAPTATION. When a life form adapts to its surroundings. Evolution is the changing of one life form into a totally new life form through a loooooong process.


The bacteria may adapt...but it is STILL bacteria!

See, you don't even know what evolution is. Go take a basic biology course, then come back.

BTW, capitalizing certain words does NOT make what you are saying true. It's much more simple than that. You're just WRONG.

No it is true because it is true. But far too many people confuse adaptation with evolution. There is a species of fish that is blind. They weren't always blind but they migrated to underwater caves which were pitch black. Seeing they had no use for eyesight (since it was too dark to see anyways they became blind) This is adaptation not evolution. It is still the same fish, same DNA and all.

And as far as grims post is concerned. It would be interesting to see if elephant fossils are found alond with mammoth fossils, the DNA makeup of each and is a mammoth merely an elephant that has adapted to its surroundings? Aside from the hair and longer tusks they preaty much look the same...adaptation? or the myth evolution? You decide.

[jay_a2j]

grim wrote: "Believe what you want, but for Christ's sake, man... There are kids on this site! Don't pollute their minds with your right-wing propaganda! "


My "right wing propaganda" is the only thing that will save these kids from your left wing lies. Mind pollution is a left-wing monopoly by the way.




***rubs hands together and grins.....the debate is turning to politics

[Pilate]

No...that is called ADAPTATION. When a life form adapts to its surroundings. Evolution is the changing of one life form into a totally new life form through a loooooong process.


The bacteria may adapt...but it is STILL bacteria!

See, you don't even know what evolution is. Go take a basic biology course, then come back.

BTW, capitalizing certain words does NOT make what you are saying true. It's much more simple than that. You're just WRONG.

No it is true because it is true. But far too many people confuse adaptation with evolution. There is a species of fish that is blind. They weren't always blind but they migrated to underwater caves which were pitch black. Seeing they had no use for eyesight (since it was too dark to see anyways they became blind) This is adaptation not evolution. It is still the same fish, same DNA and all.

And as far as grims post is concerned. It would be interesting to see if elephant fossils are found alond with mammoth fossils, the DNA makeup of each and is a mammoth merely an elephant that has adapted to its surroundings? Aside from the hair and longer tusks they preaty much look the same...adaptation? or the myth evolution? You decide.

Acutally it's DNA is not the same. Like I said, go back and take basic biology courses before you come and spew off your nonsense as fact.

[dagreatbroomhead]

i, like nimic, will not be back to this thread, but if you want proof of evolution that you just can't brush away as adaption, look at the evolution of the whale! it has over the course of history* gone from the land to the sea, and has the fossil record of resembling a wolf while it lived on land. from there it made its way into the ocean but kept its vestigial limbs(so if you opened up a what today, you can see the bones it used to use as limbs millions of years ago, these bones are called Pakicetus. the air holes have also migrated from the front of their face to the top of their head. their front limbs transformed into flippers, the neck vertebrae have shortened and become more firm for swimming and diving.

just ask any biologist, if you live near a college or other university, i am sure the biological professor there will be happy to have a chat explaining his veiw of evolution in a much detailed light than mine.



*when i mention history, i mention the fosil record that is in place and still presevered in museams today

[vtmarik]

I go away for a couple weeks and you guys are at this again?

Didn't we solve this already be coming to the conclusion that arguing about the (non) existance of God is a pointless venture?

Adaptation is an example of evolution, traits that are detrimental to a species are discarded in favor of new and helpful traits. Traits that don't directly affect the survivability of a creature (like our earlobes) remain.


Why are we back to talking about evolution when this argument is supposed to be about God?

[AndyDufresne]

**Injects everyone with a little of his left over morphine from the hospital.** I feel like a magical drug fairy... **flutters away**


--Andy

[onbekende]

I hate these threads where believers and non-believers try to convince the other party of their beliefs.
You will never suceed, neither of both.
I am an non-believer and these discussings will never change those views.

[thegrimsleeper]

Mind pollution is a left-wing monopoly by the way.

Better to be polluted than completely empty.

[dagreatbroomhead]

I hate these threads where believers and non-believers try to convince the other party of their beliefs.
You will never suceed, neither of both.
I am an non-believer and these discussings will never change those views.

...i was raised Christan, i went to church every day of my life, Sunday school included, till i was 15. you don't see me believing in anything the provides false hope for humanity.

[jay_a2j]

i, like nimic, will not be back to this thread, but if you want proof of evolution that you just can't brush away as adaption, look at the evolution of the whale! it has over the course of history* gone from the land to the sea, and has the fossil record of resembling a wolf while it lived on land. from there it made its way into the ocean but kept its vestigial limbs(so if you opened up a what today, you can see the bones it used to use as limbs millions of years ago, these bones are called Pakicetus. the air holes have also migrated from the front of their face to the top of their head. their front limbs transformed into flippers, the neck vertebrae have shortened and become more firm for swimming and diving.

just ask any biologist, if you live near a college or other university, i am sure the biological professor there will be happy to have a chat explaining his veiw of evolution in a much detailed light than mine.



*when i mention history, i mention the fosil record that is in place and still presevered in museams today

whales that once were wolves.... roflmbo! And yet people still do drugs even after seeing the effect they have on the brain.

[thegrimsleeper]

Perhaps instead of spewing insults (as you have criticised others of doing), you might offer some hard fact as to how a whale could NOT have evolved from a wolf-like creature, Mr. Science?

btw... I really like how you laugh your butt off as opposed to your ass.
I'm sure if God saw that you were lmao'ing as opposed to lmbo'ing, he'd cat you into the fiery pit, you fucktard.

[Pilate]

I'm not sure a whale evolved from a wolf-like creature per se.

The two may have shared a common ancestor, but that doesn't mean that it resembled a wolf.

[Phate]

Species A does not give birth to species B.

This is a common misconception of people who have not studied the topic AT ALL but seem to think they have all the answers regardless. Richard Dawkins calls it 'the tyranny of the discontinuous mind'.

[jay_a2j]

Sorry bout the insult there (Grim you still are king of the insult don't worry) It was more aimed at whoever told him that wolf thing. It amazes me how peope will believe that kind of stuff and not that there is a God. ANY possible explanation of how life began is excepted without thinking if it really makes sense or not. Yet.... you mention God and people get all upset.

[dagreatbroomhead]

It was more aimed at whoever told him that wolf thing. It amazes me how peope will believe that kind of stuff and not that there is a God.

*cough* excuse me? just as a question, have you received any proper schooling in your life, and by that i mean high school, college, or even middle school? this is not supposed to be a slight on your intelligence, this is merely to see if you believe what ever else you are taught in school. i was taught evolution as i was taught that 10-3=7. if you choose not to believe one, you've got to believe that everything you are taught there is wrong. you can't just say that my god told me not to believe some facts and not others because they disprove my existence.

*side note: i don't believe that there is not a god, I'd just like people to except facts, IE. evolution and such-on.

[dagreatbroomhead]

I'm not sure a whale evolved from a wolf-like creature per se.

no, it did.

[jay_a2j]

It was more aimed at whoever told him that wolf thing. It amazes me how peope will believe that kind of stuff and not that there is a God.

*cough* excuse me? just as a question, have you received any proper schooling in your life, and by that i mean high school, college, or even middle school? this is not supposed to be a slight on your intelligence, this is merely to see if you believe what ever else you are taught in school. i was taught evolution as i was taught that 10-3=7. if you choose not to believe one, you've got to believe that everything you are taught there is wrong. you can't just say that my god told me not to believe some facts and not others because they disprove my existence.

*side note: i don't believe that there is not a god, I'd just like people to except facts, IE. evolution and such-on.

Evolution is not a fact for starters. I remember (back in the 80's) my science teacher saying, " ok, now we are going to study evolution...it is a theory that I personaly don't believe but I have to teach it anyways" And he never mentioned whalewolfs.

I also used to take issue with my college professor who was an evolutionist and leftist.


Creation as decribed in the book of Genesis is far more believable than big bang, prehistoric oose, eternal meteors or anything else science can come up with to explain life (apart from the existence of God).