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Re: I feel like a monster......

Postby BigBallinStalin on Wed Oct 06, 2010 3:07 am

saxitoxin wrote:However, regardless of the reason, intentional cancellation of a human still activates the same prefrontal asymmetries that devolve the person into an animal state. There is no doubt that it will continue to be necessary, for some time to come, to continue the limited cancellation of humans. Justifiably, therefore, we need to discover and advance methods in which humans can be canceled in ways that don't compromise mind balance.


In order to achieve a craft-based economy as you stated earlier, you would accept the massive loss of human life. With such acceptance, wouldn't you fit the description of being in an "animal state?"

If not, how so?
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Re: I feel like a monster......

Postby tkr4lf on Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:06 am

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tkr4lf wrote:Please, don't ever respond to any post I ever make again. You as a human being disgust me. Haven't I seen posts of your's that claim that you are a christian. The word christian means "Christ-like." I see you as about the farthest thing from Christ that one could get. It is people like you that drove me away from organized religion. It is people like you that make me down right hostile towards christianity and christians in general. It is people like you that make me a misanthrope. I sincerely hope you die soon. So that maybe you can meet your maker, and he can say to you, "Begone, I do not know you child." See you in hell, you fucking piece of shit troll.


well that was very mean, but then i didn't really expect any less from the Rat Squisher. chillax and grab a spade, dude. better surface area.

Well, I do apologize for coming across as so mean. However, I have seen some of the crap that you have written in these forums, and then what you wrote here, and it filled me with damn near pure hatred for you at that moment. I admit, I let my emotions control me. I should have remained reasonable. However, I stand by my statements that I think you are the worst example of a Christian I have ever seen. And remember, Christians are the representatives of Christ here on this earth. At least that's what I was taught in Sunday School. That is, when non-christians see christians, and how they behave, that is what Christianity is associated with. So, If you are going to claim to be such a christian, and to be offended by owenshooter's avatar, maybe you should act like a Christian. What do you think Jesus would do if he was sitting right next to you when you typed that crap? Do you think he would have been proud to have you as his representative? I think not. I highly doubt Jesus would have been "laughing his head off" as he was forced to murder a nest of baby rats. I don't see how anybody could laugh their head off. That is sickening. So, please, practice what you preach and try to be a better representative of what your supposed religion teaches. Mmmkay?
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Re: I feel like a monster......

Postby tkr4lf on Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:32 am

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So, I see nothing that Saxi said as being anywhere close to what Hitler said. If you don't mind, would you care to explain what exactly he said that is so much like Hitler? Because I honestly don't see it.
OK, here is the thing. First, you should know that I am probably older than our friend sax. I only mention this because, I want you to understand that I am not some young kid, that does not yet possess the wisdom, that age brings.
Cool, cool. I am only 23 so I could hardly judge you for being young, but it's all the same to me anyway. Also, I don't think that being young necessarily exludes you from such wisdom. When one is good friends with many older people, and regularly converses with them and listens to thier stories and insights, that wisdom is possible to gain without direct knowledge, albeit in a more limited fashion.
You want to know why I believe that sax's statements are like Hitlers ? Well I will ask you to actually read some of Hitlers own words. He preached about things, like the fact that Human beings are not all the same, and that among them there are sub-human species. His Final Solution calls for the culling of the sub-humans. This thinning of the herd is NOT restricted to only those of other races, but also of the Germanic race as well. Many people do not know that the first victims of the "Cleansing", were actually those people that were considered "defective" Germans. The Mental institutions and poor houses were all cleared out. And nobody bothered to ask where all the retards went.
Well, the thing is, I have read some of Hitler's words. I am also a bit of a history buff, and WW2 has always fascinated me. Not just Germany and Hitler, but the entire war. All of it. It has always been my favorite subject in history. And while Hitler did preach that some humans were different, it had nothing to do with what Saxi is saying. Hitler preached that people are inherently better or worse because of their skin color, their intelligence, their physical ability, and even sexual orientation. I am aware that many, many died that were not Jews. The handicapped, as you say, the gypsies, the homosexuals, many in Academia whom Hitler knew would most likely oppose him, basically anybody who was not an able bodied, able minded, blonde haired blue eyed white person. Germans, Nords, hell even the French and English would have been acceptable. But any Slavs, Jews, Africans, etc., were deemed not fit to live. They were sub-human. Now, I would argue that intent plays a large factor here. Hitler clearly had the intent of removing these people due to their supposed deficiencies. Saxi has said nothing of the sort. He actually has said that they need to work to evolve into true people. I see this as a fundamental difference.
Classifying people as non-human, sub-human, or animals, is how he was able to get away with murdering so many people.
Well, that and the fact that he controlled the entire country. He had a secret police to enforce his will. Anybody speaking out against him would be brutally silenced. That certainly helped him in his efforts to exterminate the, in his mind, inferior. As I have said, Saxi may have introduced a division between humans, but it was not with the purpose of cleansing ourselves of the less-evolved, it was more with the purpose of getting of those who are, in his mind, less evolved to seek out that evolution. That is the way I see what he said.
Have you ever talked to a German that was from that place and time ? I have, and I will tell you this, The shame that they carry is one that you can only imagine. When asked how, and why they stood by, and just let these things happen, You suddenly realize that they were NOT bystanders, but actual cheering participants, that bought in to the idea that they were superior, and had the duty of helping to thin the herd. Thus the reason for their profound shame.
Yes, I have talked to people who lived there. My German teacher here in Austin lived there at that time. My German teacher up in Arkansas lived there at that time. A family friend from back when we lived on Fort Hood, her mother lived there during that time, and I have since been able to talk to her about it as well. As I have said, it is a subject that greatly interests me. And I agree that they were not just bystanders, but still that they couldn't have done much to stop it. Not the everday, normal citizens. By the time people truly realized what was going on Hitler had such a stranglehold on the country that the average citizen could do nothing but go along with it or be silenced. And, to add to it, none of it would have happened if not for the allies so severely punishing Germany after WW1 with the Treaty of Versailles. That single document contributed more to WW2 than any single German citizen did. Without that, the situation that allowed Hitler to come to power would never have existed.
Sax's attempt to devalue some as lizard people, is the exact same thing, as what Hitler did.
It is not. And I still argue that intent is key is distinguishing between the two. Hitler wanted to eliminate entire groups of people. Saxi is simply pointing out that there are two different levels of human evolution at the moment. He has yet to condone the killing of any "inferiors." That makes him completely different from Hitler.
Saxi then went on to say that, it would be great if we could find a way to kill them, without having to lower ourselves to that of lizard people.
No, he did not. I responded to this already, but I will do so here again as well. When he mentioned cancelling humans, it was in response to my response to BBS about not making a good soldier. I said that it would be easier for me to kill certain people, especially in a war type setting, than to do what I had to do with those baby rats. When talking about some cancellation of humans being necessary, he was not saying that he wants those humans to be killed. I saw it as him speaking in a very general matter, about how human civilization has yet to achieve a way to settle its differences without resorting to warfare and killing. He was speaking of humans as a whole. And he was saying that since it will be necessary to continue the cancellation of humans(ie for war to continue) then we should find better ways to do it that does not activate that part of the brain. You have taken what he said out of context and used it to insinuate that he said something else. You should go back and read what BBS wrote to me, my response to BBS, and then Saxi's response to my response.
BTW, sax's whole schpeal about reptile verses human brain, and the crap about evolving out of this less-learned state of mind, is hogwash at its finest. It takes certain facts and twists them into pure fantasy.
I admit, I know nothing about this stuff. Not my area of expertise. So, as far as I know, you could be right, or Saxi could be right. I have no evidence presented from either side, so I can only take both of you at your word. But, since your words conflict, I guess I may have to do some research into this on my own. Perhaps I wil.
Every human brain has at its base right above the spinal cord, a primitive brain. And yes, this primitive part of us IS stimulated by certain kinds of things. Yes, it IS a primitive part of who we are, but we could not survive without it. among other things, our "fight or flight" reflex is housed there. We could no more separate ourselves from this part of our brain, as we could separate ourselves from the air we breath.

I agree with that. However, I think it is learning to overcome those primitive brain functions that leads to one becoming a better person. A person ruled by reason and logic, not emotion. Emotion is fickle. Logic and reason are not.
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Re: I feel like a monster......

Postby KoolBak on Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:45 am

Why have you only played 7 games in 2 years?

ps....I detest ratz :twisted:
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Postby 2dimes on Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:02 pm

Ok, fine.

I was driving home after hanging out one night at a friend's house don't recall the time but like 3 AM. I'm going a reasonable speed and a rabbit darts out in front of me. It was almost like it waited for me to get close enough. I sweved but still clipped it. I have be fortunate not to hit wild life other than that and a couple of small birds. I decided I should go back and see what the rabbit's condition was.

I had hit it in the hip, it was laying down and panting when I walked up. As I got closer it jumped up and tried to flee. The one back leg just windmilled. It went 10-15 feet and fell again. I didn't have anything in my car to deal with it. Then I saw a police car and waved them down.

One of the officers was happy to help and the other was all surly, he even said, "You know we can't just discharge our fire arms in the City." I didn't figure that was needed but ok, I said, "I wasn't expecting that, I just thought you might have something in the car that I could use to put it out of it's misery. I'd stomp it but I'm wearing sneakers. I don't have anything in my car. I considered running over it again but don't really like that idea."

The helpfull one suddenly recalls, "What do you think, will the shovel work?" So he goes and gets the shovel then hands it to me wanting nothing to do with the actual deed. I decide the way to go is to chop it's head off that should be fairly quick and painless. So I go to do that and put a pretty good amount of my 200+ pound wieght into the attempt.

The rabbits eyes open wide as the dull shovel bounces off it's neck and it jumps up again to bolt making it only about 7 feet then collapsing. I ran over and held the shovel across it's wind pipe until it died.

I felt like a jerk but I just couldn't leave it injured, I'm sure that would be worse. I have considered getting some eather and a bag incase I had to deal with another incident but never did.

The two best things to deal with something like this is to,
a)talk to people you know and trust who will be supportive.
b)Wait until time helps you move on.

It's actually good to hear about a young person that has feelings and isn't so jaded by modern times as to be completely cold or worse think it's cool or something.
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Re: I feel like a monster......

Postby tkr4lf on Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:03 pm

KoolBak wrote:Why have you only played 7 games in 2 years?

ps....I detest ratz :twisted:

LOL....well I joined the site back in '08 looking for a place to play Risk online, you know, a faster paced Risk game. So, when I say that I could only take a turn every few days or so, I left and didn't come back. Then I rediscovered the site here in '10 and tried to join, quickly realizing that I already had an account. So, I'm back, and here to stay now. I'm actually enjoying it more. I don't know, perhaps I have matured a bit more and can enjoy a slower paced game now.
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Postby tkr4lf on Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:07 pm

2dimes wrote:Ok, fine.

I was driving home after hanging out one night at a friend's house don't recall the time but like 3 AM. I'm going a reasonable speed and a rabbit darts out in front of me. It was almost like it waited for me to get close enough. I sweved but still clipped it. I have be fortunate not to hit wild life other than that and a couple of small birds. I decided I should go back and see what the rabbit's condition was.

I had hit it in the hip, it was laying down and panting when I walked up. As I got closer it jumped up and tried to flee. The one back leg just windmilled. It went 10-15 feet and fell again. I didn't have anything in my car to deal with it. Then I saw a police car and waved them down.

One of the officers was happy to help and the other was all surly, he even said, "You know we can't just discharge our fire arms in the City." I didn't figure that was needed but ok, I said, "I wasn't expecting that, I just thought you might have something in the car that I could use to put it out of it's misery. I'd stomp it but I'm wearing sneakers. I don't have anything in my car. I considered running over it again but don't really like that idea."

The helpfull one suddenly recalls, "What do you think, will the shovel work?" So he goes and gets the shovel then hands it to me wanting nothing to do with the actual deed. I decide the way to go is to chop it's head off that should be fairly quick and painless. So I go to do that and put a pretty good amount of my 200+ pound wieght into the attempt.

The rabbits eyes open wide as the dull shovel bounces off it's neck and it jumps up again to bolt making it only about 7 feet then collapsing. I ran over and held the shovel across it's wind pipe until it died.

I felt like a jerk but I just couldn't leave it injured, I'm sure that would be worse. I have considered getting some eather and a bag incase I had to deal with another incident but never did.

The two best things to deal with something like this is to,
a)talk to people you know and trust who will be supportive.
b)Wait until time helps you move on.

It's actually good to hear about a young person that has feelings and isn't so jaded by modern times as to be completely cold or worse think it's cool or something.

Whew, that sounds pretty bad. At least you did what the right thing and ended its suffering. And yeah, I don't understand why anybody would enjoy this sort of thing. If I remember correctly, that is a warning sign of psychopathy, or perhaps someone who could possibly turn out to be a serial killer. I am jaded, but not towards violence and death. Death is a necessary part of life, but I don't really want a part of it. Ya know?
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Postby 2dimes on Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:11 pm

I'm good with hunting or killing food but I'm not a fan of killing stuff just for target practise. My cousins were, we used to go to our parent's uncle's farm and it was allways gopher season. I just wanted to ride dirt bikes.

Regarding the slow pace of games, if you go to call outs, you can usually find real time games where everyone takes their turn as soon as they can. Barring that if you cough up for a priemium you can select "speed" games where you have 5 minutes to take a turn which forces real time.
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Re: I feel like a monster......

Postby KoolBak on Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:13 pm

More poor critter confessions......

I go out of my way to kill rats in my yard, but they are a real nuisance, getting under / into the house, destroying insulation, chewing wires, etc....I dont enjoy it but I dont hold back.....

A few years ago, an opossum was hit on the road and wounded (probly by some darn Canadian....lol)...it staggered into my yard and lay there panting in my driveway - it was obviously toast and I wanted to end its suffering. Not being able to legally discharge firearms in my yard, I did the shovel thing. Couldnt chop thru its apparently teflon coated neck so I tried bashing it in the head.

The damn thing wouldnt die - it was freaking awful. After 10 or so minutes I finally offed the thing - I was exhausted and sickened - must have had to pummel the thing 50 times. Horrendous....I wonder if it would have been better off dying natuarally :(
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Re: I feel like a monster......

Postby saxitoxin on Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:15 pm

tkr4lf wrote: I'm actually enjoying it more. I don't know, perhaps I have matured a bit more and can enjoy a slower paced game now.


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Postby tkr4lf on Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:16 pm

2dimes wrote:I'm good with hunting or killing food but I'm not a fan of killing stuff just for target practise. My cousins were, we used to go to our parent's uncle's farm and it was allways gopher season. I just wanted to ride dirt bikes.

Regarding the slow pace of games, if you go to call outs, you can usually find real time games where everyone takes their turn as soon as they can. Barring that if you cough up for a priemium you can select "speed" games where you have 5 minutes to take a turn which forces real time.

Yeah, as long as you're killing an animal for food or in defense, I see nothing wrong with it. It's the other stuff that gets to me.

And, as for the premium, I plan on getting one once I have the money. I'm an unemployed college student, so funds are hard to come by. I will be getting $1,750 in student aid come January, so I will probably use $25 of it to get one, it's well worth it to me. I don't know if the government would agree, but, f*ck 'em. It's my loan, I'll do what I want with it.

And yeah, I can't wait to get some speed games going. That will be lots of fun. I have entirely too much time on my hands when I'm not in class, so sitting at the computer waiting 10 or 15 minutes for my turn is no problem for me. Thanks for the tips man.
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Re: I feel like a monster......

Postby tkr4lf on Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:19 pm

KoolBak wrote:More poor critter confessions......

I go out of my way to kill rats in my yard, but they are a real nuisance, getting under / into the house, destroying insulation, chewing wires, etc....I dont enjoy it but I dont hold back.....

A few years ago, an opossum was hit on the road and wounded (probly by some darn Canadian....lol)...it staggered into my yard and lay there panting in my driveway - it was obviously toast and I wanted to end its suffering. Not being able to legally discharge firearms in my yard, I did the shovel thing. Couldnt chop thru its apparently teflon coated neck so I tried bashing it in the head.

The damn thing wouldnt die - it was freaking awful. After 10 or so minutes I finally offed the thing - I was exhausted and sickened - must have had to pummel the thing 50 times. Horrendous....I wonder if it would have been better off dying natuarally :(

Yeah, it's a hard decision to make man. And, in hindsight, it definitely seems like the natural way would have been better, to me in my situation, and apparently to you in yours as well. I don't know what the answer is. I guess as long as we take something from the experience, live and learn(to be cliche), then it's not all bad.
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Re: I feel like a monster......

Postby tkr4lf on Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:20 pm

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tkr4lf wrote: I'm actually enjoying it more. I don't know, perhaps I have matured a bit more and can enjoy a slower paced game now.


Wait --- are you describing this site or your sex life? :-s

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Postby 2dimes on Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:28 pm

Part of the reason I posted the Hans Lander thing was he's right to a degree. I would be inclined to kill the rats with much more prejudice. Rabbits and opposims are not nearly as nasty. They stir much more pity. Must be all the cute rabbit stories you hear as a kid.

I wouldn't be excited to kill rats but I'd feel a need to prevent them from infesting the area.
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Re: I feel like a monster......

Postby hairy potter on Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:37 pm

no one cares about rats. it isn't like you killed a nice animal, like a hamster.

i don't get what the fuss is about. things die. that's life. i've run stuff over in my car (mostly accidentally) and i lose no sleep about it. it isn't like the animal even understands what's going on.

in hindsight it was probably a bit harsh to kick a wounded pigeon down the road, but we learn from our mistakes. next time you won't bludgeon those rats with a rock and have a little rat holocaust, because you've learnt from doing that last time. you've grown.
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Postby tkr4lf on Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:43 pm

2dimes wrote:Part of the reason I posted the Hans Lander thing was he's right to a degree. I would be inclined to kill the rats with much more prejudice. Rabbits and opposims are not nearly as nasty. They stir much more pity. Must be all the cute rabbit stories you hear as a kid.

I wouldn't be excited to kill rats but I'd feel a need to prevent them from infesting the area.

Oh, I do agree. That is why it was done. I, and my mom, knew that the baby rats would grow up to become adult rats, who would then infest the yard/house and cause all sorts of problems. So, it was something that needed to be done. However, I still feel bad just because they were newborn rats, no hair, eyes not even open yet, and my plan for a quick and painless death backfired on me and turned into a quite painful, some what drawn out death, at least for some of them. It just got to me. I'm definitely not meant to be an exterminator if you know what I mean.
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Re: I feel like a monster......

Postby porkenbeans on Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:16 pm

I agree with that. However, I think it is learning to overcome those primitive brain functions that leads to one becoming a better person. A person ruled by reason and logic, not emotion. Emotion is fickle. Logic and reason are not.
You do indeed need to do some research on this subject. "emotion" is NOT part of the primitive brain at all. And, while fickle it may be, it is located entirely in the frontal cortex.

Try to envision our brain as a house. The foundation would be the first thing erected. It is what holds up the rest of the house. It is the "primitive" part of our brain. Then as we add on the upper floors, (frontal cortex), we are then including the parts of our brain that go beyond what reptiles have. We add in emotion, and higher forms of reasoning.

To say that we should eliminate the foundation, to somehow achieve enlightenment is ridiculous. It assumes that just because we have a part of our brain that is similar to lower animals, that this part is not needed.

We are indeed different from lizards. And so are all mammals, different from them. Just take a look at the foreheads of mammals, compared to reptiles. We have foreheads because our brains have grown out, and forward, from our primitive brains.

Chimps have very large foreheads compared to other mammals, but when compared to the human brain, you can see how it slopes back, and is not as pronounced. They DO possess emotions, and higher forms of reasoning from other animals, just as we do, just not as developed as us.

So to sum up- Without the foundation, the house can NOT stand. To create a better house, you can add more floors, but you can NOT tear down the foundation.

To your other point about the mistreatment and punishment inflicted on Germany after WWI, is very true. But in my mind, is only a lame excuse for WWII. They were the bullies on the block in the first war. They were smacked down and punished, just as any defeated regime would be.

The main reason for WWII is because of the Depression that the world was going through. At times of drought, famine, economic depression, etc. It is much easier for people to be led down the road to war. At times like these people will gladly follow leaders that proclaim Righteousness, and blame all the woes on others that are less human, and less deserving.

Hitler with his Superior Race diatribe, was just what the people wanted to hear. They wanted to believe that they were not the ones, that were responsible for their own suffering.
They wanted to believe that they were at the top of the evolutionary ladder. Their economic situation could be fixed, if only the sub-humans could be culled, from the Species of man.

People like Adolf Hitler are as common as con men. They are people with the combination of skills that include a.) knowing how the group mind works. And b.) the intense desire to rule over others.

The world today is standing on the edge of that same cliff that preceded WWII. We can be thrown into another Great Depression tomorrow. God help us if this happens, as there are many Con-men Hitlers waiting in the wings, to take advantage of the situation.

For this reason, I think that it is now the time to speak up, and shout down any and all, that would shit from their mouths, as Hitler did. You said it yourself that at some point it becomes too late. The secret police are just around the corner, if not already here.
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Re: I feel like a monster......

Postby tkr4lf on Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:17 pm

hairy potter wrote:no one cares about rats. it isn't like you killed a nice animal, like a hamster.

i don't get what the fuss is about. things die. that's life. i've run stuff over in my car (mostly accidentally) and i lose no sleep about it. it isn't like the animal even understands what's going on.

in hindsight it was probably a bit harsh to kick a wounded pigeon down the road, but we learn from our mistakes. next time you won't bludgeon those rats with a rock and have a little rat holocaust, because you've learnt from doing that last time. you've grown.

Wow, you definitely changed your sentiments from the last posts. Yeah, I like to think I have grown from it. Or that I will anyway. I'm working on that.

But, it makes no difference wether I killed a "nice" animal or a "pest" animal, a life is still a life. Taking a life is nothing to be proud of. Wether it's a rat's life, a cow's life or a human's life. It is still life. And life is special. Just the fact that we have life on this planet is special. I agree that death is part of life, but that's no reason to go around causing all sorts of death.

And I think you should know this, considering that you are a "christian." But, to be honest, I don't think you truly are a christian. I think you are one of those people who says that they are a christian but that doesn't really walk the walk.

I try my best to be nice to people. I try to like people. I try to give people, especially on the internet where things can get so confused and whatnot due to lack of tone, that sort of thing, the benefit of the doubt. But with you, I just plain don't like you. And I don't want to see your posts anymore, so I'm foeing you. Congratulations on being my very first foe. It takes quite a bit to accomplish a foe from me. But you have earned it. Being a hypocrite and all, and going around spewing your trash on these forums. Good day, and may your God have mercy on your soul.
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Re: I feel like a monster......

Postby KoolBak on Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:19 pm

:lol:

Love posts like this......You're much kinder than I; my foes add up to 5+ pages :shock:

Course I'm old enough to be yo daddy and considerably more jaded....lol. Thank god for beer - back to critter talk!
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Re: I feel like a monster......

Postby saxitoxin on Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:32 pm

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I agree with that. However, I think it is learning to overcome those primitive brain functions that leads to one becoming a better person. A person ruled by reason and logic, not emotion. Emotion is fickle. Logic and reason are not.
You do indeed need to do some research on this subject. "emotion" is NOT part of the primitive brain at all. And, while fickle it may be, it is located entirely in the frontal cortex.

Try to envision our brain as a house. The foundation would be the first thing erected. It is what holds up the rest of the house. It is the "primitive" part of our brain. Then as we add on the upper floors, (frontal cortex), we are then including the parts of our brain that go beyond what reptiles have. We add in emotion, and higher forms of reasoning.

To say that we should eliminate the foundation, to somehow achieve enlightenment is ridiculous. It assumes that just because we have a part of our brain that is similar to lower animals, that this part is not needed.

We are indeed different from lizards. And so are all mammals, different from them. Just take a look at the foreheads of mammals, compared to reptiles. We have foreheads because our brains have grown out, and forward, from our primitive brains.

Chimps have very large foreheads compared to other mammals, but when compared to the human brain, you can see how it slopes back, and is not as pronounced. They DO possess emotions, and higher forms of reasoning from other animals, just as we do, just not as developed as us.

So to sum up- Without the foundation, the house can NOT stand. To create a better house, you can add more floors, but you can NOT tear down the foundation.


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Re: I feel like a monster......

Postby tkr4lf on Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:39 pm

porkenbeans wrote:
I agree with that. However, I think it is learning to overcome those primitive brain functions that leads to one becoming a better person. A person ruled by reason and logic, not emotion. Emotion is fickle. Logic and reason are not.
You do indeed need to do some research on this subject. "emotion" is NOT part of the primitive brain at all. And, while fickle it may be, it is located entirely in the frontal cortex.
As I said, I don't know much about the subject. So, my bad for being incorrect. I do need to research it more. And I could have been completely wrong that was what Saxi was saying. It was just my interpretation of his words.
Try to envision our brain as a house. The foundation would be the first thing erected. It is what holds up the rest of the house. It is the "primitive" part of our brain. Then as we add on the upper floors, (frontal cortex), we are then including the parts of our brain that go beyond what reptiles have. We add in emotion, and higher forms of reasoning.
This makes complete sense.
To say that we should eliminate the foundation, to somehow achieve enlightenment is ridiculous. It assumes that just because we have a part of our brain that is similar to lower animals, that this part is not needed.
Again, this makes sense. However, to reiterate, I don't think Saxi was saying we needed to eliminate the lower part of the brain, but to overcome it. Again, I could be wrong, this is just my interpretation.
We are indeed different from lizards. And so are all mammals, different from them. Just take a look at the foreheads of mammals, compared to reptiles. We have foreheads because our brains have grown out, and forward, from our primitive brains.
We are in agreement here.
Chimps have very large foreheads compared to other mammals, but when compared to the human brain, you can see how it slopes back, and is not as pronounced. They DO possess emotions, and higher forms of reasoning from other animals, just as we do, just not as developed as us.
Again, agreement.
So to sum up- Without the foundation, the house can NOT stand. To create a better house, you can add more floors, but you can NOT tear down the foundation.
This makes complete sense as well.
To your other point about the mistreatment and punishment inflicted on Germany after WWI, is very true. But in my mind, is only a lame excuse for WWII. They were the bullies on the block in the first war. They were smacked down and punished, just as any defeated regime would be.
Yes, it's not the best excuse for the war, but it is a valid point. It's valid enough, that, after WW2, we realized we couldn't make the same mistakes we made after WW1. That is why we took the steps that we did concerning Germany and Japan. We basically turned their countries into what they are today. And we did that so that the same thing would not happen. I believe we learned our lesson about slapping too harsh of a punishment on a country.
The main reason for WWII is because of the Depression that the world was going through. At times of drought, famine, economic depression, etc. It is much easier for people to be led down the road to war. At times like these people will gladly follow leaders that proclaim Righteousness, and blame all the woes on others that are less human, and less deserving.
Yes, the depression played a large part in it, as well. But the depression wasn't the only thing contributing. The depression, combined with the large sums of reparations Germany was ordered to pay, combined with the rampant inflation and mismanagement of the Weimar Republic all contributed to the atmosphere that allowed a person like Hitler to come to power. And, this is quite off topic, but I see Hitler in much the same way I see Emporer Palpatine from Star Wars. (Yup, I'm a nerd. I just made a Star Wars reference when discussing history. :D ) He was an intelligent, cunning person who played the politics and saw an opportunity to strike and achieve total domination. He was also wicked and crazy, much like the Emporer. This is in no way an endorsement of Hitler, I think Hitler was a terrible person, but he was very smart in the way he siezed power. And, to be speculative, had he not opened up the second front with Russia, things could have turned out quite differently.
Hitler with his Superior Race diatribe, was just what the people wanted to hear. They wanted to believe that they were not the ones, that were responsible for their own suffering.
They wanted to believe that they were at the top of the evolutionary ladder. Their economic situation could be fixed, if only the sub-humans could be culled, from the Species of man.
I agree with this. Of course they wanted to blame somebody else for their woes. They were suffering through some terrible woes, especially for a country such as Germany, with their proud and militaristic heritage. That seems like human nature to me, to want to blame all problems on somebody else. I don't think they necessarily needed an inferior lot to blame it on, this is just what Hitler gave them to scapegoat.
People like Adolf Hitler are as common as con men. They are people with the combination of skills that include a.) knowing how the group mind works. And b.) the intense desire to rule over others.
I also agree with this. People like Hitler are common. Maybe they would not go as far as Hitler did, but they still want that power. That is why I almost think anybody who actually does want to lead, or be in politics, shouldn't be there. It should be a job for those who don't want the job. Those who do not hunger for power.
The world today is standing on the edge of that same cliff that preceded WWII. We can be thrown into another Great Depression tomorrow. God help us if this happens, as there are many Con-men Hitlers waiting in the wings, to take advantage of the situation.
I also agree with you on this. I think we are on the verge of another great depression/world war. I think it could happen anyday now. The way things are going nowadays, I don't like it. But, what can I do about it? There is literally nowhere left to run to, as globalization has basically made it the same all across the world.
For this reason, I think that it is now the time to speak up, and shout down any and all, that would shit from their mouths, as Hitler did. You said it yourself that at some point it becomes too late. The secret police are just around the corner, if not already here.

Yes, at some point it does become too late. And I do think it is important to shout those down that advocate ideas such as Hitler's. But, I also think you must be careful when applying that label to people. It is much over-used nowadays. The general trend is to label anybody who doesn't agree as Hitler. Or as being like Hitler. Or worse than Hitler. Honestly, there have been few worse than Hitler. Stalin was one. Perhaps the guy from Vietnam or Cambodia, what's his name.... Pal Pot or something like that. So, I think we should carefully consider a person's views before applying that label. You and I agree on much stuff. However, the idea that Saxi's ideas are Hitler-esque is not one of those areas that we agree on. I think intent plays a large role. Hitler intended for his ideas to become law, and to be used to justify the murder of millions of people. I do not think Saxi has those intentions. I could be wrong here, but I don't think I am. I could have misinterpreted his words, but I think my interpretation is somewhat solid. It's all about the context. His words, when taken out of context, and put by themselves, could be seen as Nazi-ish. But, when in context, and taken as a reply to my reply, they do not, in my opinion, seem to be endorsing Nazi values.
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Re: I feel like a monster......

Postby tkr4lf on Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:48 pm

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Love posts like this......You're much kinder than I; my foes add up to 5+ pages :shock:

Course I'm old enough to be yo daddy and considerably more jaded....lol. Thank god for beer - back to critter talk!

Oh, give it time...I will likely have more foes before long. But, that said, it does take a lot to anger me. I am generally a calm, collected person. I do my best to not let my emotions rule me. However, when I see a person such as hairy potter, constantly spewing trash, constantly acting like a troll, posting bullshit in this thread about how he would have been laughing his head off if doing what I did, and then when I call him on it and on his own religious viewpoints, he changes his tone and tries to act like a reasonable person, I have no respect for that and absolutely do not like him for that. I would have had more respect for him had he stuck to his guns and continued to say that it was funny, instead of changing his mind and still not even addressing my issues with his religous views. Whatever, I don't have to see anything he posts ever again. So, I'm done with the issue. :D

Now, as you said, back to the critter talk. (Or, the Hitler talk and the Saxi talk, as that seems to be what the thread has become about here recently.)
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Re: I feel like a monster......

Postby porkenbeans on Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:16 pm

Yes, at some point it does become too late. And I do think it is important to shout those down that advocate ideas such as Hitler's. But, I also think you must be careful when applying that label to people. It is much over-used nowadays. The general trend is to label anybody who doesn't agree as Hitler. Or as being like Hitler. Or worse than Hitler. Honestly, there have been few worse than Hitler. Stalin was one. Perhaps the guy from Vietnam or Cambodia, what's his name.... Pal Pot or something like that. So, I think we should carefully consider a person's views before applying that label. You and I agree on much stuff. However, the idea that Saxi's ideas are Hitler-esque is not one of those areas that we agree on. I think intent plays a large role. Hitler intended for his ideas to become law, and to be used to justify the murder of millions of people. I do not think Saxi has those intentions. I could be wrong here, but I don't think I am. I could have misinterpreted his words, but I think my interpretation is somewhat solid. It's all about the context. His words, when taken out of context, and put by themselves, could be seen as Nazi-ish. But, when in context, and taken as a reply to my reply, they do not, in my opinion, seem to be endorsing Nazi values.
I have read many of saxi's posts, and I do not often respond to them. I have come to know his views on things quite well I believe. So it is not really myself, but he himself that has done all of the labeling here.

He labels himself every time he (albeit, so eloquently) speaks. I do not know if he is just playing the Devils advocate all of the time, or if he is actually IS so diametrically opposed, to just about everything that I believe in. I find it astounding that such an (apparently), learned man, could be so misguided in his reasoning processes.
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Re: I feel like a monster......

Postby saxitoxin on Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:31 pm

porkenbeans wrote:
Yes, at some point it does become too late. And I do think it is important to shout those down that advocate ideas such as Hitler's. But, I also think you must be careful when applying that label to people. It is much over-used nowadays. The general trend is to label anybody who doesn't agree as Hitler. Or as being like Hitler. Or worse than Hitler. Honestly, there have been few worse than Hitler. Stalin was one. Perhaps the guy from Vietnam or Cambodia, what's his name.... Pal Pot or something like that. So, I think we should carefully consider a person's views before applying that label. You and I agree on much stuff. However, the idea that Saxi's ideas are Hitler-esque is not one of those areas that we agree on. I think intent plays a large role. Hitler intended for his ideas to become law, and to be used to justify the murder of millions of people. I do not think Saxi has those intentions. I could be wrong here, but I don't think I am. I could have misinterpreted his words, but I think my interpretation is somewhat solid. It's all about the context. His words, when taken out of context, and put by themselves, could be seen as Nazi-ish. But, when in context, and taken as a reply to my reply, they do not, in my opinion, seem to be endorsing Nazi values.
I have read many of saxi's posts, and I do not often respond to them. I have come to know his views on things quite well I believe. So it is not really myself, but he himself that has done all of the labeling here.

He labels himself every time he (albeit, so eloquently) speaks. I do not know if he is just playing the Devils advocate all of the time, or if he is actually IS so diametrically opposed, to just about everything that I believe in. I find it astounding that such an (apparently), learned man, could be so misguided in his reasoning processes.


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