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Re: Is Black Support for Obama Racist?

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Oct 10, 2010 7:13 am

hairy potter wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
hairy potter wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
hairy potter wrote:in the UK we allow the BNP, who are right-wing extremists with a genuine following, to proceed unhindered.


agreed, the UK is one of the most endemically racist nations in the world


no; the BNP are endemically racist.


hairy potter wrote:with a genuine following


the equivalent party in the USA/germany/france/italy/anywhere would also enjoy a following. there are nut jobs in every country. the fact that the BNP have yet to win a seat in Parliament speaks volume about just how many people in the UK share their intolerances.

free speech means the freedom to say things that saxitoxin doesn't necessarily agree with.


That's true.

I'm not 100% certain you're following this thread, kiddo.
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Re: Is Black Support for Obama Racist?

Postby hairy potter on Sun Oct 10, 2010 7:20 am

you said that almost all NATO countries use similar tactics to those employed by RCMP/Oklahoma to squash opposition to the status quo

i provided examples from the UK and Netherlands that demonstrate that both countries operate a far more tolerant political system than you gave them credit for.

you then stated that the BNP were just a sign that the UK is racist, ignoring the point i was trying to make: that the unimpeded existence of the BNP demonstrates the open nature of our political system.


i think it's you who's struggling. are you saying that the state should be leaving people to get on with it, or that the state should be squashing anyone they don't agree with? (or secret option number 3: should the state be squashing people that saxi doesn't like, but funding his little anti-establishment agenda to the full?)
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Re: Is Black Support for Obama Racist?

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Oct 10, 2010 7:28 am

For the listening audience, to recap Potter and my world-class, floor of the General Assembly, Harvard rhetorical club debate thus far ...

saxitoxin wrote:agreed, the UK is one of the most endemically racist of America's client states

+ - =

That's true.

I'm not 100% certain you're following this thread, kiddo.


vs.

hairy potter wrote:in the UK we allow the BNP, who are right-wing extremists with a genuine following, to proceed unhindered. despite the fact that they are a party who often veer dangerously close to inciting racial hatred, two of their leaders are invited to garden parties with the Queen and their leader is taken credibly enough to appear on Question Time (a high-profile politics program that often includes members of the Cabinet on its panel). in the netherlands, a serious portion of their coalition government is an even more extreme version of the BNP. please don't tar all countries with your USA/1970s DDR brush.

if you want a true example of the state squashing all attemps to veer from the current political norm, go live in china, north korea, the old USSR (if we're using examples from all the way back in the 70s), any number of african countries, etc. then complain about the way the west is governed.
no; the BNP are endemically racist. in allowing the BNP to shout and scream all they want, and not attempting to frame them for bomb plots, we are simply allowing them to exercise their free speech and their right to campaign for government.

or maybe we should repress them on account of their racism? squash anyone we don't agree with?

the equivalent party in the USA/germany/france/italy/anywhere would also enjoy a following. there are nut jobs in every country. the fact that the BNP have yet to win a seat in Parliament speaks volumes about just how many people in the UK share their intolerances.

free speech means the freedom to say things that saxitoxin doesn't necessarily agree with.

you said that almost all NATO countries use similar tactics to those employed by RCMP/Oklahoma to squash opposition to the status quo

i provided examples from the UK and Netherlands that demonstrate that both countries operate a far more tolerant political system than you gave them credit for.

you then stated that the BNP were just a sign that the UK is racist, ignoring the point i was trying to make: that the unimpeded existence of the BNP demonstrates the open nature of our political system.


i think it's you who's struggling. are you saying that the state should be leaving people to get on with it, or that the state should be squashing anyone they don't agree with? (or secret option number 3: should the state be squashing people that saxi doesn't like, but funding his little anti-establishment agenda to the full?)



gang, I'm going to have to admit young Potter has bested me - argggh, ol' Saxi has been foiled again ... if only I could type faster! :P
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Re: Is Black Support for Obama Racist?

Postby hairy potter on Sun Oct 10, 2010 7:42 am

don't confuse writing an average of about 10 words per post with conciseness. it looks more like you're avoiding the issue at hand.

probably because you are.
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Re: Is Black Support for Obama Racist?

Postby Beckytheblondie on Sun Oct 10, 2010 7:44 am

I have not followed the thread. Worth reading was the original article, very intriguing. I agree with what has been written. I also hardy har harred when I read
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Re: Is Black Support for Obama Racist?

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:13 pm

hairy potter wrote:don't confuse writing an average of about 10 words per post with conciseness. it looks more like you're avoiding the issue at hand.

probably because you are.


calm down, honey-bear - I already surrendered! :) ... my 20 words were no match for your 800 :P
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Re: Is Black Support for Obama Racist?

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:17 pm

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Campaigning a few miles from Fort Sumter, where the first shots of the Civil War were fired in 1861, Tim Scott described last week how he was born into poverty and a broken home, much like Barack Obama.

"My dad was gone by the time I was seven," the black candidate for the House of Representatives told a mixed group of students at Fort Dorchester High School in North Charleston. "I was flunking out of high school. I failed geography, civics, Spanish and English. When you fail Spanish and English, you are not bilingual, you are bi-ignorant."

But the conclusions that Scott, 45, drew were very different from those of Obama. When he was 15, a man who ran a Chick-fil-A fast-food restaurant taught him "that there was a way to think my way out of the worst conditions". Scott went on to became a small businessman and a proud "conservative Republican".

Barring a cataclysmic upset, Scott will be elected to Congress on November 2nd. There, he will be a ferocious opponent of Obama, to whom he gives a withering "failing grade" for his presidency.

"Obamacare's an atrocity around the necks of average Americans," he told me. "His intentions might be good but he's leading us towards the brink of bankruptcy. Right now, the American people are simply saying they've had enough."

Scott will be the first black Republican congressman from the Deep South in more than a century. Republicans hope to elect at least two other black candidates to Congress next month. Allen West, in Florida, and Ryan Frazier in Colorado, both with distinguished military records, are in very close races against Democrats.

There are currently 42 black members of Congress, all of them Democrats. Republicans haven't had a black congressman since J.C. Watts stood down in 2003. Ironically, opposition to the policies of the first black President on a whole range of economic and social issues are a key motivating factor for this new wave of black conservatives.

Rather than ushering in a post-racial era, Obama's election to the White House appears to have intensified racial divisions in America. This is not, as the Left asserts, because Right-wing opponents are full of white-hooded bigots who refuse to accept a black man as President. Obama's own strange myopia on race has played a big part.

Timothy Johnson, co-founder of the Frederick Douglass Foundation, a group that helps promote black Republican candidates, told me that that Obama was not scrutinised properly in the 2008 election because of his race.

"The election wasn't so much about what Obama brought to the table," said. "People voted for him because they wanted to feel good about themselves, that they weren't racist."

Johnson even argued, Mr Obama had set back the cause of race relations by playing down the white side of his heritage. "His mother was white, his father was a person of colour but every time there's a racial issue he plays the race card just the same as everyone else."

That's a tough charge to make, but Johnson has a point. When a white policeman arrested a black Harvard professor last year, Obama didn't wait to hear the facts before accusing the cop of acting "stupidly".

In a recent Rolling Stone interview, Obama gave a coded version of the standard liberal smear of the anti-tax Tea Party movement as being racist, referring its "darker" elements that "are troubled by what I represent as the president".

It's little wonder that a recent Rasmussen survey found that just 36 percent of voters now believe relations between blacks and whites are getting better, compared to 62 percent in July last year.


Scott, an avowed Tea Party supporter, dismisses the accusation that the movement is racist, saying: "this whole race issue is a diversion away from the real basic platform of the Tea Party".

For far too long, Republicans have ceded black votes to the Democrats and failed to recruit candidates like Scott to winnable congressional seats.

If Scott is the only black Republican on Capitol Hill in 2011, he will be all too easily marginalised and treated as a curiosity. That would be a shame because he has some interesting views on cutting the deficit and shrinking government.

"I've been black for a long time," Scott says wearily whenever he is asked about race. He wants to be judged on his character and policies rather than the colour of his skin. At Fort Dorchester, encouragingly enough, not one pupil asked Scott about race or why a black man would be a Republican.

Obama made history by winning the White House. But it will take the likes of Scott to break down the racial barriers in America that the first black president has been content to leave in place.


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Re: Black Republicans offer hope after Barack Obama's failur

Postby hairy potter on Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:48 pm

scotty, just a quick source check for you: opinion articles from a newspaper (and a right wing one at that) are not credible sources of information. they are just you getting someone else to dictate your opinion to you.
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Re: Black Republicans offer hope after Barack Obama's failur

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:51 pm

hairy potter wrote:scotty, just a quick source check for you: opinion articles from a newspaper (and a right wing one at that) are not credible sources of information. they are just you getting someone else to dictate your opinion to you.


so, the information that 3 black republican candidates have a good shot at winning seats where there are 0 black republicans is having opinion dictated to me?

more likely, a reflection point as to "why the rise of the black republican, why now?"

too deep I spose
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Re: Black Republicans offer hope after Barack Obama's failur

Postby hairy potter on Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:37 pm

Phatscotty wrote:so, the information that 3 black republican candidates have a good shot at winning seats where there are 0 black republicans is having opinion dictated to me?

more likely, a reflection point as to "why the rise of the black republican, why now?"

too deep I spose


we're still working under the assumption that their skin colour is the deciding factor, of course

3 republican candidates getting elected in states that i have always been told are traditionally republican? shock horror.
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Re: Black Republicans offer hope after Barack Obama's failur

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:39 pm

hairy potter wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:so, the information that 3 black republican candidates have a good shot at winning seats where there are 0 black republicans is having opinion dictated to me?

more likely, a reflection point as to "why the rise of the black republican, why now?"

too deep I spose


we're still working under the assumption that their skin colour is the deciding factor, of course

3 republican candidates getting elected in states that i have always been told are traditionally republican? shock horror.


you miss the point and lack all the context
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