Now, to get back to the real debate:
ViperOverLord wrote:Phatscotty wrote:HapSmo19 wrote:beezer wrote:PLAYER57832 wrote:Except, this isn't even about "every man for himself", because the truth is that socialized health care COSTS LESS.

She can't tell where she heard that, just that she heard it. So it must be true.
what motivates her?
I've seen her completely ignore facts and logic about increased costs when it comes to socialized health care. She's an ideologue that ignores reality.
Funny from a group who is doing EXACTLY that:
(Note
bolding added by me for clarity)
TRUTH:
First in Spending 37th in Overall Performance
The United States spends the most money in the world on its health care system, as a percentage of GDP, and ranks 37th in overall performance. The United States' life expectancy rate of 78-years-old is indicative of a good health care system. However, it is important to remember that although the U.S. spends more money than any other country, we are only ranked 50th in life expectancy. In general when the U.S. health care system is compared to other developed nations in Europe and Asia, it does not do as well as might be expected. France, for example, spends considerably less the United States on health care, and yet it is ranked the highest in the world for overall performance.
Here is a list of the top 10 countries in terms of health care costs per capita: Luxembourg ($4,992)
Denmark ($3,239)
United States ($3,076)
Netherlands ($2,785)
Austria ($2,737)
France (2,727)
Germany (2,664)
Iceland ($2,628)
Canada ($2,587)
Sweden ($2,583)
Top 10 Spenders by GDPAdditionally, the report provides information on national health care spending as percentage of gross domestic product (GDP). The United States is number one when it comes to health care spending as percentage of GDP. Here are the top 10 countries:
United States (15.8%)
France (11.0%)
Denmark (10.8%)
Switzerland (10.8%)
Germany (10.6%)
Austria (10.2%)
Canada (10.0%)
Sweden (9.2%)
Spain (8.4%)
Japan (8.1%)
YET:
Health Care Outcomes WorldwideOne of the most important measures of health is life expectancy at birth. According to the CIA World Factbook the United States ranks 50th in life expectancy out of 224 countries. Here is a list of the top 10 countries:
Macau (84.36)
Andorra (82.51)
Japan (82.12)
Singapore (81.98)
San Marino (81.97)
Hong Kong (81.86)
Australia (81.63)
Canada (81.23)
France (80.98)
Sweden (80.86)
source for all the above data:
http://www.suite101.com/content/where-t ... z14Dtf9IrhDon't like that source? Try these:A nice VISUAL chart here:
http://www.visualeconomics.com/healthca ... 010-03-01/Here, from 2006:
(Reuters) - The United States spends more on healthcare than any other country in the world but has higher rates of infant mortality, diabetes and other ills than many other developed countries.
Here is a comparison of the United States' healthcare costs versus those of selected other countries in 2006:
UNITED STATES: 15.9 pct of GDP, $6,657 per capita
Link:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5504Z320090601Here, from 2003 (
and earlier years .. comprehensive Charts):
posting.php?mode=quote&f=8&p=2853294(tried to paste charts, but could not)
OR, try your own search, just input "world per capita healthcare costs"
So, STILL trying to claim we pay so much less than everyone else?