US to spend 200 million a day on Obama's family vacation?

[PLAYER57832]

not if the military is going to see the festival of lights tho

Of course, because if it gives Phatscotty the opportunity to attack the President, it couldn't POSSIBLY be a security problem.

I think the real problem here is a failure to distinguish truth from fiction (not by you Woodruff).

[saxitoxin]

Do we have any proof of those warship numbers? I ask because that seems like a significant security breach, to me.

I think someone already posted it somewhere on CC. The article said 34 warships and 40 car motorcade for his entourage.

Scripps-Howard News Service reported 35 vehicles when Obama traveled to London. It doesn't seem a stretch to imagine an extra 5 would be added for a visit to India.

http://www.scrippsnews.com/node/42183

When Bush went to Genoa for the G-8 summit he traveled with an "aircraft carrier" (incorrectly identified by the Scotsman, it was actually the amphibious assault ship USS Wasp) ... which he was roundly criticized for at the time. I don't know how large the escort for a marine expeditionary force is but it's certainly relative to the size of an air battle group and, if this is M.O. for foreign visits it seems not unreasonable to predict Obama would also take ships with him.

http://news.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=545682005

Even though I despise Obama I don't think any of this security is unwarranted. In '83 Carter's ex-SecDef Harry Brown testified to Congress that a system had been put in place by which mid-level officers could initiate an "unrestrained nuclear response" following an assault on the US head-of-state. There are so many armed non-state actors in the world who hate Obama that extra prudence seems reasonable if there is a risk of war in the chaotic aftermath of an injury against him.

[Incandenza]

I think someone already posted it somewhere on CC. The article said 34 warships and 40 car motorcade for his entourage. I don't know that it's a security breach, but it does seem ridiculously excessive. This whole thing seems ridiculously excessive for that matter.

And preferably not that ridiculous article on foxnews.com where various military and Pentagon spokespeople use words like "preposterous" and "absolutely absurd." Besides, you guys are awfully cavalier about the physical well-being of the Commander-in-Chief of our armed forces, especially given that the hotel in Mumbai was one of the targets of the terrorist attacks of '08.

Tho I gotta say, you seem like the type who'd have one of those "Pray for Obama Psalm 109:8" bumper stickers and then get blustery when someone called you out on your amazing bullshit.

[Phatscotty]

not if the military is going to see the festival of lights tho

Of course, because if it gives Phatscotty the opportunity to attack the President, it couldn't POSSIBLY be a security problem.

and....when has GOV"T WASTE not been a problem for me??



I would much sooner heckle Obama for running away from his problems...

[Woodruff]

not if the military is going to see the festival of lights tho

Of course, because if it gives Phatscotty the opportunity to attack the President, it couldn't POSSIBLY be a security problem.

and....when has GOV"T WASTE not been a problem for me??

When you don't have any proof that actual waste exists in the subject being discussed. Well, obviously that's not true, since you DO seem to have a problem even when no proof that actual waste exists in the subject being discussed.

[saxitoxin]

More warmongering, corruption and corporate-greed by the pig Obama:

Obama has awarded a fuel contract worth over $300 million to supply his Manas air base in Kyrgyzstan to a corporation that is currently under investigation by the US Congress.

The company won't disclose its ownership, but there's speculation the family of ousted Kyrgyz President Bakiyev might be involved.

The Director of the Center on Peace and Liberty at the Independent Institute, Ivan Eland, considers a possibility that Obama has turned a blind eye to corrupt deals to keep his air base in Kyrgyzstan operating.

http://rt.com/Top_News/2010-11-04/300-m ... zstan.html

[Phatscotty]

not if the military is going to see the festival of lights tho

Of course, because if it gives Phatscotty the opportunity to attack the President, it couldn't POSSIBLY be a security problem.

and....when has GOV"T WASTE not been a problem for me??

When you don't have any proof that actual waste exists in the subject being discussed. Well, obviously that's not true, since you DO seem to have a problem even when no proof that actual waste exists in the subject being discussed.

after all the vacations Obama has taken this year, ANY vacation is waste, even if it only costs 1 dollar.

I mean, going after an activity of leisure is pretty common sense. what could be more wasteful than vacationing? seriously

[Incandenza]

after all the vacations Obama has taken this year, ANY vacation is waste, even if it only costs 1 dollar.

I mean, going after an activity of leisure is pretty common sense. what could be more wasteful than vacationing? seriosuly

Um, he's not going to India to clear brush. It's a proper high-level state visit. You know, the sort of stuff presidents do all the time. Who the f*ck vacations in Mumbai?

[Phatscotty]

after all the vacations Obama has taken this year, ANY vacation is waste, even if it only costs 1 dollar.

I mean, going after an activity of leisure is pretty common sense. what could be more wasteful than vacationing? seriosuly

Um, he's not going to India to clear brush. It's a proper high-level state visit. You know, the sort of stuff presidents do all the time. Who the f*ck vacations in Mumbai?

yeah, the festival of lights or something...

second question about who the f*ck vacations at Mumbai. I have never really wanted to see Taj Mahal anyways, and like you said, nobody else would ever want to either.

[porkenbeans]

More warmongering, corruption and corporate-greed by the pig Obama:

Obama has awarded a fuel contract worth over $300 million to supply his Manas air base in Kyrgyzstan to a corporation that is currently under investigation by the US Congress.

The company won't disclose its ownership, but there's speculation the family of ousted Kyrgyz President Bakiyev might be involved.

The Director of the Center on Peace and Liberty at the Independent Institute, Ivan Eland, considers a possibility that Obama has turned a blind eye to corrupt deals to keep his air base in Kyrgyzstan operating.

http://rt.com/Top_News/2010-11-04/300-m ... zstan.html

Yeah, well why don't you enlighten us all about Halliberton ?

[saxitoxin]

More warmongering, corruption and corporate-greed by the pig Obama:

Obama has awarded a fuel contract worth over $300 million to supply his Manas air base in Kyrgyzstan to a corporation that is currently under investigation by the US Congress.

The company won't disclose its ownership, but there's speculation the family of ousted Kyrgyz President Bakiyev might be involved.

The Director of the Center on Peace and Liberty at the Independent Institute, Ivan Eland, considers a possibility that Obama has turned a blind eye to corrupt deals to keep his air base in Kyrgyzstan operating.

http://rt.com/Top_News/2010-11-04/300-m ... zstan.html

Yeah, well why don't you enlighten us all about Halliberton ?

I did. In 2007. This is 2010.

translation of porkenbeans fawning sycophancy: "I don't care how corrupt the pig Obama or the First Mattress Mitch the Bitch is; I'm just a cheerleader for my team. I want my team to win regardless of what corporate schills and capitalist pigs they are or how many Pakistani kids Obama orders murdered at the behest of his Bush-appointed Defence Secretary; I don't mind Obama using the CEO of AT&T's prostate as his personal salt-lick. Goooo team! Rah Rah Rah!"

[Incandenza]

yeah, the festival of lights or something...

Festival of lights? Give me a break. It's not a vacation. He's meeting with the prime minister. How can you be this obtuse?

second question about who the f*ck vacations at Mumbai. I have never really wanted to see Taj Mahal anyways, and like you said, nobody else would ever want to either.

Oh, this is how. You must book hotel rooms in Atlanta when you want to go see Radio City Music Hall, because Agra, the city where the Taj Mahal is, is over 700 miles from Mumbai. Tho they are staying at the Taj Hotel while in Mumbai. I can see how that would be confusing for you.

stupid picture you copypasta'd off freerepublic

Your knowledge of history is woeful. But anything for your team, right? Politics is just like sports, and that other team sucks!

[Army of GOD]

nobody else would ever want to either.

Please, speak for yourself. I've always wanted to go there... (completely serious too)

[Phatscotty]

yeah, the festival of lights or something...

Festival of lights? Give me a break. It's not a vacation. He's meeting with the prime minister. How can you be this obtuse?

Will that meeting with the Prime Minister last an hour, or 10 days? you are way off the rocker here....

second question about who the f*ck vacations at Mumbai. I have never really wanted to see Taj Mahal anyways, and like you said, nobody else would ever want to either.

Oh, this is how. You must book hotel rooms in Atlanta when you want to go see Radio City Music Hall, because Agra, the city where the Taj Mahal is, is over 700 miles from Mumbai. Tho they are staying at the Taj Hotel while in Mumbai. I can see how that would be confusing for you.

Okay, except Obama booked the entire Taj Mahal. Little more of a stretch from getting a telly in Atlanta....wouldn't you say? Oh, I already know you wouldn't...

Is he meeting with the prime minister for 10 days straight? NO
Did he rent out the entire Taj Mahal? YES

you see, if you just admitted it was a vacation, you would not be so confused.

[Phatscotty]

nobody else would ever want to either.

Please, speak for yourself. I've always wanted to go there... (completely serious too)

that was denzas statement. I was only teasing him

[Incandenza]

Oh. My. Fucking. God. No one could possibly be this stupid and still know how to operate a computer.

Let's go through this one by one. I'll use as small words as possible.

1. The Taj Mahal Hotel in Mumbai is NOT the actual Taj Mahal, which is in Agra, over 700 miles away. There are, in fact, no hotel rooms in the Taj Mahal.
2. No, I don't have access to the President's moment-by-moment schedule in Mumbai. Then again, neither does anyone else that doesn't have security clearance. Matt Drudge and the good folks over at WingNutDaily certainly don't.
3. This preposterous 200 million a day number, which has been widely debunked, was sourced to an anonymous Indian official, who may in fact have been speaking about cost per day in rupees, which would put the price tag more at 4.5 or 5 million a day, which sounds a lot more reasonable for a presidential mission to another continent and is well in line with costs incurred by state trips by previous presidents.
4. Not only is Obama meeting with the Indian Prime Minister, but there's also a G-20 meeting there as well. Not like he's going to be kickin' it by the hotel pool.

You know, I'd take you morons a lot more seriously if you didn't work yourselves into a lather over every fake outrage that pops up on Drudge.

[saxitoxin]

Report: India Despises Obama

Now that the India-friendly Republican Party has once again established its control over the US House of Representatives (and the charismatic Illeana Ross-Lehtinen become the new Foreign Relations Committee chairperson), Delhi will have more friends in Washington than it had during the period when the Democratic Party was all-powerful. The Obama team are known in Delhi for making demand after demand of India, in exchange for increased business and other links that they have done their best to oppose. Strobe Talbott is known for his Euro-centric view of the world, one in which India figures only as a subsidiary power.

http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=60589

[Phatscotty]

Oh. My. Fucking. God. No one could possibly be this stupid and still know how to operate a computer.

Let's go through this one by one. I'll use as small words as possible.

1. The Taj Mahal Hotel in Mumbai is NOT the actual Taj Mahal, which is in Agra, over 700 miles away. There are, in fact, no hotel rooms in the Taj Mahal.
2. No, I don't have access to the President's moment-by-moment schedule in Mumbai. Then again, neither does anyone else that doesn't have security clearance. Matt Drudge and the good folks over at WingNutDaily certainly don't.
3. This preposterous 200 million a day number, which has been widely debunked, was sourced to an anonymous Indian official, who may in fact have been speaking about cost per day in rupees, which would put the price tag more at 4.5 or 5 million a day, which sounds a lot more reasonable for a presidential mission to another continent and is well in line with costs incurred by state trips by previous presidents.
4. Not only is Obama meeting with the Indian Prime Minister, but there's also a G-20 meeting there as well. Not like he's going to be kickin' it by the hotel pool.

You know, I'd take you morons a lot more seriously if you didn't work yourselves into a lather over every fake outrage that pops up on Drudge.

Well, you should not assume I am not familiar with the results of the last trade mission to India. Mangos for Nukes was it? Let's try it again!

watch who you are calling a moron, it can fly back in your face

Is there a specific sector we are trying to promote? A new product? What is the trade mission based around O' great defender? What are the goals? What companies stand to gain? Who's involved? Do we really need more call centers?

[PLAYER57832]

watch who you are calling a moron, it can fly back in your face

Yes, you would know... you just got another lesson in it, after all.

[Phatscotty]

watch who you are calling a moron, it can fly back in your face

Yes, you would know... you just got another lesson in it, after all.

nothing was stated. just name calling and vitriol. You did not need to cast your lot with that publicly... I am doing all the stating here and asking of real questions. still waiting for answers

It's a vacation (to me) until someone can show me otherwise. Miserable job so far I must say, probably just entrenching myself further into the "vacation" camp in fact.

I understand some meetings will be held. Some work will be done. But renting out all 800 rooms at the Taj? 10 days? The facts are too overwhelming for me to be entertaining the opinions of incandenza and Player. Attack the facts, not me! (unless you just come to level insults and follow it up with the petulant whining.)

Let's talk about it then. I'll start where you should have....

Is there a specific sector we are trying to promote? A new product? What is the trade mission based aroundr? What are the goals? What companies stand to gain? Who's involved? Do we really need more call centers?

- the moron

[Baron Von PWN]

Probably just a vacation. Outrageous!
Also this report of sending one tenth of the US navy with Obama sound completely credible.

http://profit.ndtv.com/news/show/obama- ... obs-118443

[Phatscotty]

Probably just a vacation. Outrageous!

http://profit.ndtv.com/news/show/obama- ... obs-118443

wow, on the first day huh? I can't help but think this contract was already a done deal. PR anyone? Did you notice they are deals that grow the military-industrial complex??? No really, did you know that? I mean, are you really saying, if Obama didn't show up and negotiatie the deal himself, India never would have had a need for 3 new 747's? or that they would have bought a 747 from someone else???? How much credit are you actually giving Obama here?

how about the next 9days.... see you tomorrow?

[saxitoxin]

Probably just a vacation. Outrageous!

http://profit.ndtv.com/news/show/obama- ... obs-118443


Obama arrives, gets over 50,000 jobs
Aviation giant Boeing has got an order for thirty three 737s from Indian carrier Spice Jet. The deal is pegged at $2.7 billion and is likely to add 12,000 US jobs.
Dateline: November 6, 2010

SpiceJet orders 30 Boeing 737-800s
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/b ... jet28.html
Dateline: July 27, 2010

LOL (FYI, these are the same orders; the differential 3 were added to the July order in September.)

In other news, Obama invents the movable printing press.

[Baron Von PWN]

Probably just a vacation. Outrageous!

http://profit.ndtv.com/news/show/obama- ... obs-118443

wow, on the first day huh? I can't help but think this contract was already a done deal. PR anyone? Did you notice they are deals that grow the military-industrial complex??? No really, did you know that? I mean, are you really saying, if Obama didn't show up and negotiatie the deal himself, India never would have had a need for 3 new 747's? or that they would have bought a 747 from someone else???? How much credit are you actually giving Obama here?

how about the next 9days.... see you tomorrow?

I thought this was just a vacation? here he's doing some kind of business stuff. Doesn't seem all that vacation like to me. Presidents go on trade/diplomatic missions all the time . Its kind-of a big part of what they do.

Keep believing that they are spending 200 million a day and sending one tenth of the us Navy though. That seems much more believable than this being a state visit.

[Phatscotty]

Probably just a vacation. Outrageous!

http://profit.ndtv.com/news/show/obama- ... obs-118443

wow, on the first day huh? I can't help but think this contract was already a done deal. PR anyone? Did you notice they are deals that grow the military-industrial complex??? No really, did you know that? I mean, are you really saying, if Obama didn't show up and negotiatie the deal himself, India never would have had a need for 3 new 747's? or that they would have bought a 747 from someone else???? How much credit are you actually giving Obama here?

how about the next 9days.... see you tomorrow?

I thought this was just a vacation? here he's doing some kind of business stuff. Doesn't seem all that vacation like to me. Presidents go on trade/diplomatic missions all the time . Its kind-of a big part of what they do.

sure, except I am not the one who is saying Obama birthed 50,000 jobs. Also, I stated earlier I am sure some work will be done, and some meetings will be held. Some phone calls will probably be taken too?