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Re: US to spend 200 million a day on Obama's family vacation

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Nov 06, 2010 1:54 pm

Baron Von PWN wrote:
Keep believing that they are spending 200 million a day and sending one tenth of the us Navy though.


I'm having a hard time figuring out what to believe: the right's $200M figure, or the left's claim that Obama is apparently time-traveling to last July to negotiate a plane order for Spicejet...

Obama arrives, gets over 50,000 jobs
Aviation giant Boeing has got an order for thirty three 737s from Indian carrier Spice Jet. The deal is pegged at $2.7 billion and is likely to add 12,000 US jobs.
Dateline: November 6, 2010


SpiceJet orders Boeing 737-800s
http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/2010/0 ... ional.html
Dateline: July 27, 2010
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Re: US to spend 200 million a day on Obama's family vacation

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Nov 06, 2010 1:56 pm

saxitoxin wrote:
Baron Von PWN wrote:
Keep believing that they are spending 200 million a day and sending one tenth of the us Navy though.


I'm having a hard time figuring out what to believe: the right's $200M figure, or the left's claim that Obama is apparently time-traveling to last July to negotiate a plane order for Spicejet...

Obama arrives, gets over 50,000 jobs
Aviation giant Boeing has got an order for thirty three 737s from Indian carrier Spice Jet. The deal is pegged at $2.7 billion and is likely to add 12,000 US jobs.
Dateline: November 6, 2010


SpiceJet orders Boeing 737-800s
http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/2010/0 ... ional.html
Dateline: July 27, 2010


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Re: US to spend 200 million a day on Obama's family vacation

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Nov 06, 2010 2:20 pm

By the way, it's worth pointing out that Baron's erroneous story was a regurgitation of a brief that crossed the AP wire late yesterday.

Despite being demonstrably false, the AP has not issued a correction. The AP fills the same role in the U.S. as the CBC does in Canada or the BBC in the UK or Deutsche Welle in Germany, that is, to use their monopoly on foreign news reporting to aggrandize the policies of the incumbent, regardless of who that incumbent is ...

During Bush's warmongering following the Russian liberation of South Ossetia, both the AP and Reuters were discovered having staged photos of civilian casualties.

http://pics.livejournal.com/umadif/pic/00051xse
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/8351/dmcamera12.jpg

These forgeries were covered extensively in 3 of the 4 BRIC nations, plus the DPRK and Laos, however, there was a total news blackout in the west. In fact, several English-language blogs that carried more hilarious examples of these forgeries now return '404' errors when attempts are made to access them.

Byzantine Blog was one of the most heavily trafficked, English language sources of original (i.e. non-syndicate) near eastern reporting around. They're now just "gone." Here is the old link if someone can find a cache:

http://www.byzantinesacredart.com/blog/ ... pictu.html

Even the user account of the first link above has vanished from livejournal. The outfit responsible for wiping history, however, apparently is dull to the unusual photo filing extension livejournal uses. As a result, this snapshot in time remains ... for now.

I'm certain all references to the Boeing order actually being placed in July will vanish within a few months (unless it really gets blown-up in the news, then it has to remain as a minor political embarrassment; if it flies under the radar though, this can all be wiped after a period of time has passed). I could make a Player-length post with a dozen examples from the last 10 years, but it's too uncomfortable for most westerners to accept so there's really no point anymore in trying to uncover their eyes as to the reality of their hilariously fictional democracies.
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Re: US to spend 200 million a day on Obama's family vacation

Postby Baron Von PWN on Sat Nov 06, 2010 2:56 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
Baron Von PWN wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Baron Von PWN wrote:Probably just a vacation. Outrageous!

http://profit.ndtv.com/news/show/obama- ... obs-118443


wow, on the first day huh? I can't help but think this contract was already a done deal. PR anyone? Did you notice they are deals that grow the military-industrial complex??? No really, did you know that? I mean, are you really saying, if Obama didn't show up and negotiatie the deal himself, India never would have had a need for 3 new 747's? or that they would have bought a 747 from someone else???? How much credit are you actually giving Obama here?

how about the next 9days.... see you tomorrow?



I thought this was just a vacation? here he's doing some kind of business stuff. Doesn't seem all that vacation like to me. Presidents go on trade/diplomatic missions all the time . Its kind-of a big part of what they do.


sure, except I am not the one who is saying Obama birthed 50,000 jobs. Also, I stated earlier I am sure some work will be done, and some meetings will be held. Some phone calls will probably be taken too?


Yes the tittle of the article is silly. Obviously Obama did not single handedly create all those jobs. However it does show he isn't simply there to kick up his heels and is on a trade/diplomatic mission.
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Re: US to spend 200 million a day on Obama's family vacation

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Nov 06, 2010 3:08 pm

Baron Von PWN wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Baron Von PWN wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Baron Von PWN wrote:Probably just a vacation. Outrageous!

http://profit.ndtv.com/news/show/obama- ... obs-118443


wow, on the first day huh? I can't help but think this contract was already a done deal. PR anyone? Did you notice they are deals that grow the military-industrial complex??? No really, did you know that? I mean, are you really saying, if Obama didn't show up and negotiatie the deal himself, India never would have had a need for 3 new 747's? or that they would have bought a 747 from someone else???? How much credit are you actually giving Obama here?

how about the next 9days.... see you tomorrow?



I thought this was just a vacation? here he's doing some kind of business stuff. Doesn't seem all that vacation like to me. Presidents go on trade/diplomatic missions all the time . Its kind-of a big part of what they do.


sure, except I am not the one who is saying Obama birthed 50,000 jobs. Also, I stated earlier I am sure some work will be done, and some meetings will be held. Some phone calls will probably be taken too?


Yes the tittle of the article is silly. Obviously Obama did not single handedly create all those jobs. However it does show he isn't simply there to kick up his heels and is on a trade/diplomatic mission.


pure PR. I have said from day one, Obama's presidency is going to be all about appearance, not about substance. I give him 0 credit. The CEO of Boeing should havebeen sufficient. I will follow it for the next 9 days (until november 15th) and we can compare accomplishment to vacation time or something. btw, I gave Bush shit for all his golf too. I won't bring up Obama's golf because I already know Player will chime in as to how important golf is to doing America's business.
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Re: US to spend 200 million a day on Obama's family vacation

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Nov 06, 2010 3:16 pm

Baron Von PWN wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Baron Von PWN wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Baron Von PWN wrote:Probably just a vacation. Outrageous!

http://profit.ndtv.com/news/show/obama- ... obs-118443


wow, on the first day huh? I can't help but think this contract was already a done deal. PR anyone? Did you notice they are deals that grow the military-industrial complex??? No really, did you know that? I mean, are you really saying, if Obama didn't show up and negotiatie the deal himself, India never would have had a need for 3 new 747's? or that they would have bought a 747 from someone else???? How much credit are you actually giving Obama here?

how about the next 9days.... see you tomorrow?



I thought this was just a vacation? here he's doing some kind of business stuff. Doesn't seem all that vacation like to me. Presidents go on trade/diplomatic missions all the time . Its kind-of a big part of what they do.


sure, except I am not the one who is saying Obama birthed 50,000 jobs. Also, I stated earlier I am sure some work will be done, and some meetings will be held. Some phone calls will probably be taken too?


Yes the tittle of the article is silly.


It's not just the tittle [sic]!

SpiceJet orders Boeing 737-800s
http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/2010/0 ... ional.html
Dateline: July 27, 2010
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Re: US to spend 200 million a day on Obama's family vacation

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Nov 06, 2010 3:26 pm

It's the edge. Everyone is expressing anger right now. (well, not everyone), but soon we will be able to separate those who are willing to move forward with The People from those will are going to remain in anger and denial and lash out...
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Re: US to spend 200 million a day on Obama's family vacation

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Nov 06, 2010 3:56 pm

Phatscotty wrote:It's the edge. Everyone is expressing anger right now. (well, not everyone), but soon we will be able to separate those who are willing to move forward with The People from those will are going to remain in anger and denial and lash out...


There's a faux legend that American-Indians couldn't see Columbus' ships as they approached Hispaniola. They were so incapable of processing this thing that had intruded on their world that the ships simply didn't appear in their ocular reference. The crickets that the original poster of the "12,000 Boeing jobs" story unleashed after it was debunked faster than the - also fictitious - $200M figure makes me wonder if it was really a legend. :P
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Re: US to spend 200 million a day on Obama's family vacation

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Nov 06, 2010 4:37 pm

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Re: US to spend 200 million a day on Obama's family vacation

Postby Incandenza on Sat Nov 06, 2010 5:33 pm

Phatscotty wrote:Well, you should not assume I am not familiar with the results of the last trade mission to India. Mangos for Nukes was it? Let's try it again!

watch who you are calling a moron, it can fly back in your face

Is there a specific sector we are trying to promote? A new product? What is the trade mission based around O' great defender? What are the goals? What companies stand to gain? Who's involved? Do we really need more call centers?


Sorry, you had your chance to have an adult conversation, but you'd rather sit at the kid's table and smear food all over your face. I don't blame ya, if I came to a battle of wits completely unarmed I'd probably want to sit with the kids as well.

Maybe in a few months I'll start hitting "display this post" again and see if you've managed to get beyond this puerile obsession with imaginary non-stories about seekrit mooslin soshalist. But somehow I doubt it.
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Re: US to spend 200 million a day on Obama's family vacation

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Nov 06, 2010 5:41 pm

Incandenza wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Well, you should not assume I am not familiar with the results of the last trade mission to India. Mangos for Nukes was it? Let's try it again!

watch who you are calling a moron, it can fly back in your face

Is there a specific sector we are trying to promote? A new product? What is the trade mission based around O' great defender? What are the goals? What companies stand to gain? Who's involved? Do we really need more call centers?


Sorry, you had your chance to have an adult conversation, but you'd rather sit at the kid's table and smear food all over your face. I don't blame ya, if I came to a battle of wits completely unarmed I'd probably want to sit with the kids as well.

Maybe in a few months I'll start hitting "display this post" again and see if you've managed to get beyond this puerile obsession with imaginary non-stories about seekrit mooslin soshalist. But somehow I doubt it.


Oh, did I throw out too many insults and call you too many names? excuse me
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Re: US to spend 200 million a day on Obama's family vacation

Postby porkenbeans on Sun Nov 07, 2010 7:14 pm

saxitoxin wrote:By the way, it's worth pointing out that Baron's erroneous story was a regurgitation of a brief that crossed the AP wire late yesterday.

Despite being demonstrably false, the AP has not issued a correction. The AP fills the same role in the U.S. as the CBC does in Canada or the BBC in the UK or Deutsche Welle in Germany, that is, to use their monopoly on foreign news reporting to aggrandize the policies of the incumbent, regardless of who that incumbent is ...

During Bush's warmongering following the Russian liberation of South Ossetia, both the AP and Reuters were discovered having staged photos of civilian casualties.

http://pics.livejournal.com/umadif/pic/00051xse
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/8351/dmcamera12.jpg

These forgeries were covered extensively in 3 of the 4 BRIC nations, plus the DPRK and Laos, however, there was a total news blackout in the west. In fact, several English-language blogs that carried more hilarious examples of these forgeries now return '404' errors when attempts are made to access them.

Byzantine Blog was one of the most heavily trafficked, English language sources of original (i.e. non-syndicate) near eastern reporting around. They're now just "gone." Here is the old link if someone can find a cache:

http://www.byzantinesacredart.com/blog/ ... pictu.html

Even the user account of the first link above has vanished from livejournal. The outfit responsible for wiping history, however, apparently is dull to the unusual photo filing extension livejournal uses. As a result, this snapshot in time remains ... for now.

I'm certain all references to the Boeing order actually being placed in July will vanish within a few months (unless it really gets blown-up in the news, then it has to remain as a minor political embarrassment; if it flies under the radar though, this can all be wiped after a period of time has passed). I could make a Player-length post with a dozen examples from the last 10 years, but it's too uncomfortable for most westerners to accept so there's really no point anymore in trying to uncover their eyes as to the reality of their hilariously fictional democracies.

For the first time I find that I can actually get behind some of what you are saying, but only some. That is the stuff that you said about the Media. I can remember a time when the Media played its role as an antagonistic watchdog, over Power and Money.

It was on 911 that they really switched tracks, and morphed into more of a Cheerleader, than a Watchdog.

Now we have partisan Networks of News, that are not really "News" in the traditional "media" sense of the word. FOX NEWS is what I am talking about. Yeah , I know that you will say, that all of the other networks are biased toward the liberal side. But it is my contention that the media is in its very nature a liberalish entity.

Its purpose from the beginning has been to serve the interests of the People. The same People that are embolden at the top of the Constitution of the United States of America. We all know very well that Conservatism serves NOT the People, but Big Buisness.

The News Media Is in the process of being assimilated into the control of a new Master. We the People are loosing our most powerfull of Champions. Our most powerful defender of liberty, has been reduced to a dancing Cheerleader.
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Re: US to spend 200 million a day on Obama's family vacation

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Nov 07, 2010 7:51 pm

porkenbeans wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:By the way, it's worth pointing out that Baron's erroneous story was a regurgitation of a brief that crossed the AP wire late yesterday.

Despite being demonstrably false, the AP has not issued a correction. The AP fills the same role in the U.S. as the CBC does in Canada or the BBC in the UK or Deutsche Welle in Germany, that is, to use their monopoly on foreign news reporting to aggrandize the policies of the incumbent, regardless of who that incumbent is ...

During Bush's warmongering following the Russian liberation of South Ossetia, both the AP and Reuters were discovered having staged photos of civilian casualties.

http://pics.livejournal.com/umadif/pic/00051xse
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/8351/dmcamera12.jpg

These forgeries were covered extensively in 3 of the 4 BRIC nations, plus the DPRK and Laos, however, there was a total news blackout in the west. In fact, several English-language blogs that carried more hilarious examples of these forgeries now return '404' errors when attempts are made to access them.

Byzantine Blog was one of the most heavily trafficked, English language sources of original (i.e. non-syndicate) near eastern reporting around. They're now just "gone." Here is the old link if someone can find a cache:

http://www.byzantinesacredart.com/blog/ ... pictu.html

Even the user account of the first link above has vanished from livejournal. The outfit responsible for wiping history, however, apparently is dull to the unusual photo filing extension livejournal uses. As a result, this snapshot in time remains ... for now.

I'm certain all references to the Boeing order actually being placed in July will vanish within a few months (unless it really gets blown-up in the news, then it has to remain as a minor political embarrassment; if it flies under the radar though, this can all be wiped after a period of time has passed). I could make a Player-length post with a dozen examples from the last 10 years, but it's too uncomfortable for most westerners to accept so there's really no point anymore in trying to uncover their eyes as to the reality of their hilariously fictional democracies.

For the first time I find that I can actually get behind some of what you are saying, but only some. That is the stuff that you said about the Media. I can remember a time when the Media played its role as an antagonistic watchdog, over Power and Money.

It was on 911 that they really switched tracks, and morphed into more of a Cheerleader, than a Watchdog.

Now we have partisan Networks of News, that are not really "News" in the traditional "media" sense of the word. FOX NEWS is what I am talking about. Yeah , I know that you will say, that all of the other networks are biased toward the liberal side. But it is my contention that the media is in its very nature a liberalish entity.

Its purpose from the beginning has been to serve the interests of the People. The same People that are embolden at the top of the Constitution of the United States of America. We all know very well that Conservatism serves NOT the People, but Big Buisness.

The News Media Is in the process of being assimilated into the control of a new Master. We the People are loosing our most powerfull of Champions. Our most powerful defender of liberty, has been reduced to a dancing Cheerleader.


Le Sigh ... This has nothing at all to do with what I said. Like zero.

Again: U.S. foreign news reporting, as well as that of all other western capitalist nations, has been under direct state control since World War II. This is not about bias' or anything else. This is about the coordinated, centralized control of non-domestic news gathering and news reporting by a quasi-state agency.

Sorry, I really don't know how I can make this any clearer. Like I said in my original message, most westerners are completely incapable of processing this concept it is so radically opposed to everything they've been taught. When it gets shoved in their face they suffer a cognitive error and fall back to regurgitating, "yes, FOX/MSNBC is displaying conservative bias/liberal bias, Tastes Great/Less Filling, blah blah blah, etc." The utter incapability of people to understand this is why change can not happen through the pedestrian silliness of the ballot box but only through revolutionary agitation by the vanguard of the Communist Party to introduce a transitional and temporary dictatorship of the proletariat (or through an anti-capitalist right-wing philosophy such as a National-Syndicalist or Integralist front, if that is the orientation to which one is inclined; though it's not mine).
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Re: US to spend 200 million a day on Obama's family vacation

Postby Baron Von PWN on Sun Nov 07, 2010 8:51 pm

Phatscotty wrote:

pure PR. I have said from day one, Obama's presidency is going to be all about appearance, not about substance. I give him 0 credit. The CEO of Boeing should havebeen sufficient. I will follow it for the next 9 days (until november 15th) and we can compare accomplishment to vacation time or something. btw, I gave Bush shit for all his golf too. I won't bring up Obama's golf because I already know Player will chime in as to how important golf is to doing America's business.


I already know you give him zero credit for anything, other than for anything that goes wrong of course in that case it was solely his responsibility. As part of this trade/diplomatic mission he should be talking up US and Indian trade. Even if the deals have been arranged since July as Saxi pointed out. What Obama is doing is making the case for continued (and more open) trade with India so that trade may grow and therefore create more jobs and prosperity in both countries.

This BBC article does a better job of showing what kind of deals the president is promoting. It also mentions a single US warship off the coast, perhaps the 200 million$ figure is also 34 times larger than the reality?
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Re: US to spend 200 million a day on Obama's family vacation

Postby porkenbeans on Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:46 pm

saxitoxin wrote:
porkenbeans wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:By the way, it's worth pointing out that Baron's erroneous story was a regurgitation of a brief that crossed the AP wire late yesterday.

Despite being demonstrably false, the AP has not issued a correction. The AP fills the same role in the U.S. as the CBC does in Canada or the BBC in the UK or Deutsche Welle in Germany, that is, to use their monopoly on foreign news reporting to aggrandize the policies of the incumbent, regardless of who that incumbent is ...

During Bush's warmongering following the Russian liberation of South Ossetia, both the AP and Reuters were discovered having staged photos of civilian casualties.

http://pics.livejournal.com/umadif/pic/00051xse
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/8351/dmcamera12.jpg

These forgeries were covered extensively in 3 of the 4 BRIC nations, plus the DPRK and Laos, however, there was a total news blackout in the west. In fact, several English-language blogs that carried more hilarious examples of these forgeries now return '404' errors when attempts are made to access them.

Byzantine Blog was one of the most heavily trafficked, English language sources of original (i.e. non-syndicate) near eastern reporting around. They're now just "gone." Here is the old link if someone can find a cache:

http://www.byzantinesacredart.com/blog/ ... pictu.html

Even the user account of the first link above has vanished from livejournal. The outfit responsible for wiping history, however, apparently is dull to the unusual photo filing extension livejournal uses. As a result, this snapshot in time remains ... for now.

I'm certain all references to the Boeing order actually being placed in July will vanish within a few months (unless it really gets blown-up in the news, then it has to remain as a minor political embarrassment; if it flies under the radar though, this can all be wiped after a period of time has passed). I could make a Player-length post with a dozen examples from the last 10 years, but it's too uncomfortable for most westerners to accept so there's really no point anymore in trying to uncover their eyes as to the reality of their hilariously fictional democracies.

For the first time I find that I can actually get behind some of what you are saying, but only some. That is the stuff that you said about the Media. I can remember a time when the Media played its role as an antagonistic watchdog, over Power and Money.

It was on 911 that they really switched tracks, and morphed into more of a Cheerleader, than a Watchdog.

Now we have partisan Networks of News, that are not really "News" in the traditional "media" sense of the word. FOX NEWS is what I am talking about. Yeah , I know that you will say, that all of the other networks are biased toward the liberal side. But it is my contention that the media is in its very nature a liberalish entity.

Its purpose from the beginning has been to serve the interests of the People. The same People that are embolden at the top of the Constitution of the United States of America. We all know very well that Conservatism serves NOT the People, but Big Buisness.

The News Media Is in the process of being assimilated into the control of a new Master. We the People are loosing our most powerfull of Champions. Our most powerful defender of liberty, has been reduced to a dancing Cheerleader.


Le Sigh ... This has nothing at all to do with what I said. Like zero.

Again: U.S. foreign news reporting, as well as that of all other western capitalist nations, has been under direct state control since World War II. This is not about bias' or anything else. This is about the coordinated, centralized control of non-domestic news gathering and news reporting by a quasi-state agency.

Sorry, I really don't know how I can make this any clearer. Like I said in my original message, most westerners are completely incapable of processing this concept it is so radically opposed to everything they've been taught. When it gets shoved in their face they suffer a cognitive error and fall back to regurgitating, "yes, FOX/MSNBC is displaying conservative bias/liberal bias, Tastes Great/Less Filling, blah blah blah, etc." The utter incapability of people to understand this is why change can not happen through the pedestrian silliness of the ballot box but only through revolutionary agitation by the vanguard of the Communist Party to introduce a transitional and temporary dictatorship of the proletariat (or through an anti-capitalist right-wing philosophy such as a National-Syndicalist or Integralist front, if that is the orientation to which one is inclined; though it's not mine).
I said that I only can get behind some of what you said. And, that is specifically, that the news media has been under attack by Special interests of one type or another. And not just that it has been attacked, but even more sinester, has been taken over.

I would first direct you to the time of the Vietnam War, er "Police Action". The media was active in reporting the events, IE; Meligh Massacure, Carpet bombing of civilians, The pentagon Papers ...etc.

But now, all we get are whiffs of what is going on, from embedded reporters. Yeah, they really have learned how to take the teeth from the press covering the wartime events. They simply make the reporter a member of the team, and use them to promote what they want seen.

Yes, I agree that the Press is not what it used to be. Not what is was founded for, and not what it needs to be, in order to maintain the power of People.

For Gods sake look at what has happened. The United States under Bush, is guilty it seems, of doing the same sort of thinks, that we hung war criminals for after WWII.

The press is supposed to be digging into every corner, and holding the feet to the fire, of Power.

Power has bought the press, and now instead of the Peoples Champion, the press is working for the very thing, that it is supposed to be guarding us from.

Yes I agree with you that we are not quite getting the truth when it comes to the News Media, But I think that it is much more than the single layer that you lay down. I believe that various special interest groups, aligned with various governments, are manipulating the reporting of the News. I believe that it even goes much further than this. We are being manipulated through every form of media that you could name. From the shows that we watch on TV, to the blogosphere.
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Re: US to spend 200 million a day on Obama's family vacation

Postby saxitoxin on Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:02 pm

porkenbeans wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
porkenbeans wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:By the way, it's worth pointing out that Baron's erroneous story was a regurgitation of a brief that crossed the AP wire late yesterday.

Despite being demonstrably false, the AP has not issued a correction. The AP fills the same role in the U.S. as the CBC does in Canada or the BBC in the UK or Deutsche Welle in Germany, that is, to use their monopoly on foreign news reporting to aggrandize the policies of the incumbent, regardless of who that incumbent is ...

During Bush's warmongering following the Russian liberation of South Ossetia, both the AP and Reuters were discovered having staged photos of civilian casualties.

http://pics.livejournal.com/umadif/pic/00051xse
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/8351/dmcamera12.jpg

These forgeries were covered extensively in 3 of the 4 BRIC nations, plus the DPRK and Laos, however, there was a total news blackout in the west. In fact, several English-language blogs that carried more hilarious examples of these forgeries now return '404' errors when attempts are made to access them.

Byzantine Blog was one of the most heavily trafficked, English language sources of original (i.e. non-syndicate) near eastern reporting around. They're now just "gone." Here is the old link if someone can find a cache:

http://www.byzantinesacredart.com/blog/ ... pictu.html

Even the user account of the first link above has vanished from livejournal. The outfit responsible for wiping history, however, apparently is dull to the unusual photo filing extension livejournal uses. As a result, this snapshot in time remains ... for now.

I'm certain all references to the Boeing order actually being placed in July will vanish within a few months (unless it really gets blown-up in the news, then it has to remain as a minor political embarrassment; if it flies under the radar though, this can all be wiped after a period of time has passed). I could make a Player-length post with a dozen examples from the last 10 years, but it's too uncomfortable for most westerners to accept so there's really no point anymore in trying to uncover their eyes as to the reality of their hilariously fictional democracies.

For the first time I find that I can actually get behind some of what you are saying, but only some. That is the stuff that you said about the Media. I can remember a time when the Media played its role as an antagonistic watchdog, over Power and Money.

It was on 911 that they really switched tracks, and morphed into more of a Cheerleader, than a Watchdog.

Now we have partisan Networks of News, that are not really "News" in the traditional "media" sense of the word. FOX NEWS is what I am talking about. Yeah , I know that you will say, that all of the other networks are biased toward the liberal side. But it is my contention that the media is in its very nature a liberalish entity.

Its purpose from the beginning has been to serve the interests of the People. The same People that are embolden at the top of the Constitution of the United States of America. We all know very well that Conservatism serves NOT the People, but Big Buisness.

The News Media Is in the process of being assimilated into the control of a new Master. We the People are loosing our most powerfull of Champions. Our most powerful defender of liberty, has been reduced to a dancing Cheerleader.


Le Sigh ... This has nothing at all to do with what I said. Like zero.

Again: U.S. foreign news reporting, as well as that of all other western capitalist nations, has been under direct state control since World War II. This is not about bias' or anything else. This is about the coordinated, centralized control of non-domestic news gathering and news reporting by a quasi-state agency.

Sorry, I really don't know how I can make this any clearer. Like I said in my original message, most westerners are completely incapable of processing this concept it is so radically opposed to everything they've been taught. When it gets shoved in their face they suffer a cognitive error and fall back to regurgitating, "yes, FOX/MSNBC is displaying conservative bias/liberal bias, Tastes Great/Less Filling, blah blah blah, etc." The utter incapability of people to understand this is why change can not happen through the pedestrian silliness of the ballot box but only through revolutionary agitation by the vanguard of the Communist Party to introduce a transitional and temporary dictatorship of the proletariat (or through an anti-capitalist right-wing philosophy such as a National-Syndicalist or Integralist front, if that is the orientation to which one is inclined; though it's not mine).


I said that I only can get behind some of what you said.


Actually, you didn't get behind any of it. Like, zero. You just flipped on your "Bush FOX Bush!" auto-pilot switch. That's the program that's been uploaded to your brain by the Insect because it will run most efficiently on your psychographic unit model, whereas - for others - it will be the "Obama NPR Obama!" program.

There is an Insect on this planet that has no ideology. It is not to the left and it is not to the right. Its ideology is power. Its motivation is to seek and maintain power for the sake of power. If that means driveling on about the environment and gay rights and unions it will do that. If that means cheerleading tax cuts and family values and toughness on crime it will do that.

Stalin taught us the exigencies of the Revolution necessitate the advancement of praxis over theory. Unless you can unhook yourself from the Insect's mandibles and realize the intrinsic wickedness of the whole of the Democrat Party, while also identifying a core of radical rightists who are working to eviscerate the Insect, to shell its guts onto the pavement and bake them under the sun, you'll remain a mere number, like Player57832.
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Re: US to spend 200 million a day on Obama's family vacation

Postby saxitoxin on Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:14 am

OBAMA SUFFERS UTTER DEFEAT AND HUMILIATING FAILURE AT G-20
Politico wrote:President Barack Obama failed to reach agreement on two international deals to help spur the U.S. economy, unexpected setbacks on an Asia trip that was supposed to emphasize his stature abroad and change the subject from last week’s electoral drubbing. Obama was unable to achieve a free trade agreement with South Korea, vowing to keep talking to get a better deal for U.S. auto makers. And after meeting with the leaders of Germany and China, he continued to meet resistance from the two countries about reducing their trade surpluses with the U.S. to give a boost to American manufacturing, putting the best face on a compromise that only calls for the goal of lowering them.

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Postby Phatscotty on Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:59 am

He even fails at vacationing...
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Postby Baron Von PWN on Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:04 pm

Phatscotty wrote:He even fails at vacationing...


Yeah what with all the official business he was doing.
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Re: US to spend 200 million a day on Obama's family vacation

Postby Timminz on Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:28 pm

The time spent on setup : quality of punchline ratio in this thread is very, very high.
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Re: US to spend 200 million a day on Obama's family vacation

Postby Phatscotty on Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:32 pm

Baron Von PWN wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:He even fails at vacationing...


Yeah what with all the official business he was doing.


Love the sarcasm
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Postby Phatscotty on Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:34 pm

saxitoxin wrote:C'mon, the dude needs some R&R ...

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Postby saxitoxin on Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:46 pm

Pro-civil rights student groups at UCLA, USC and UCSD are forming to oppose Obama's anti-privacy rights/pro-sex assault agenda. Unlike the last ones, these groups aren't being sponsored/underwritten by the Viacom International Media Conglomerate and their stable of TV celebrities like John Stewart and Lindsay Lohan. It's inspiring a cadre of young people are creatively standing up for civil rights in a grassroots movement even as their compatriots are doing the zombie-shuffle to the drumbeat of mega-corporation Viacom, Inc.'s mobile marketing tours/"Rally for Sanity."

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Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu Nov 18, 2010 3:12 am

saxitoxin wrote:Pro-civil rights student groups at UCLA, USC and UCSD are forming to oppose Obama's anti-privacy rights/pro-sex assault agenda. Unlike the last ones, these groups aren't being sponsored/underwritten by the Viacom International Media Conglomerate and their stable of TV celebrities like John Stewart and Lindsay Lohan. It's inspiring a cadre of young people are creatively standing up for civil rights in a grassroots movement even as their compatriots are doing the zombie-shuffle to the drumbeat of mega-corporation Viacom, Inc.'s mobile marketing tours/"Rally for Sanity."

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Re: US to spend 200 million a day on Obama's family vacation

Postby AAFitz on Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:01 am

Phatscotty wrote:I heard, for the total vacation....

2 billion


I heard 928075289475983475892734097 Million Billion.

It has to be true. I heard it on the internet.

Where you ask...oh well.. just look around....everyone is saying it. Even Fox news and they showed their source even: The internet.

And you guys make fun of this guys math and financial policies. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I do agree the money would be better spent on education. This country is in dire need of it.
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