New Briarsburg Mafia. Town Wins! Ga7 wins the premium prize!

[ga7]

Erm, not that it matters much since she apparently stopped reading after that but:

F*** you for sayin even if I’m a townie, I have nothin to offer.

I'd say the one that started being uncivil is not Flores.

That put aside I don't really see the point of voting her or inactive when they won't answer. Would be the same as a random lynch since we'll have no way to get a claim.

[VioIet]

Saying f- - - you or something like that is not the same as name-calling. Flores had no reason to say that.
Also you have to take it into context.
Flores was saying the town would not lose anything if she was lynched. Which is already kinda mean. Everyone is valuable. Not nice to imply otherwise.
And Dazey was simply expressing emotion about that. How else was she supposed to react?
But she would never name call someone.

[spiesr]

Flores was saying the town would not lose anything if she was lynched.

I don't see what Flores said as being incorrect. Daze has been more of a liability to the town that an asset, and has contributed almost nothing of value to the discussion. The discussion about her on the other hand could turn out to have yielded something worthwhile. As it stands, had Daze been lynched the only true would loss to the town would have been her claimed role blocking powers. And even that loss is only so great, as if the powers are under control of someone who either misses using them at night, or uses them poorly, then their value is greatly reduced anyway. I mean while I believe Daze's role claim and therefor am against lynching her at this point, her play to this point leaves a lot to be desired...

And Dazey was simply expressing emotion about that. How else was she supposed to react?

The preferable reaction would be to either admit the Flores had a valid point, or to suddenly start playing in a manner that could possibly be of use to the town.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Also you have to take it into context.
Flores was saying the town would not lose anything if she was lynched. Which is already kinda mean. Everyone is valuable. Not nice to imply otherwise.

You're thinking that Flores meant this as an insult. She didn't. Realistically, a lynch of a townie in a game this size isn't a game-killer. Also, it would even have its uses since we could follow leads based on that.

Some of you all need to quit thinking these are personal attacks, it's a role-playing game.

Flores are you really gonna quit? Or were you venting some frustration?

-Tails

added before post: ha fastposted by spiesr, who said pretty much the same thing.

[pmchugh]

Well there is a surprise townie claim and everyone backs off, really didn't see that coming.

Why do people feel the need to get a roleclaim/lynch to gain info? Use yer heads for christ sakes. There are plenty of other targets floating around.

... You complain that there are a lot of votes on dazerazer already, but you provide little in the way of actual production of leads yourself except for a rather watered-down weak-willed vote on me.

My case against you is that you are an experienced player jumping aboard the noobwagon for extremely weak reasons, the only explanations for this is that you are just trying to guide the town to a lynch without bringing yourself to attention or that you are lazy. Funnily enough since I accused you, you have posted a good few times Wasn't that the reason ga7 had for his wagon?

You're acting like a classic lyncher dude, what's up with that, or have I just called you out?

Mate have you ever played in a game with me? You stick out as the scummiest player by quite a way, maybe next time instead of attacking my credibility you could defend against my arguments?

And ga7 + vio + flores + daze this is mafia, not high school bitching keep things game related.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Ok, re-read this whole thread AND looked on the player posts in isolation.

Here is an updated post count btw:

Click on a player to view all of their posts in this thread, starting with most recent.

1. fircoal - 25
2. edocsil - 20
3. victor sullivan - 16
4. ga7 - 13
5. Theherkman - 70 !!! JESUS FUCKIN CHRIST
6. pmchugh - 7
7. Army of God - 15
8. lalaland - 1
9. freezie - 21
10. vioiet - 11
11. haggis_mcmutton - 17
12. cena-rules - 2
13. Ta1lgunn3r - 17
14. Floresdelmal - 11
15. commander9 - 24
16. thesaxlad - 24
17. sensfan - 4
18. karelpietertje - 3
19. strike wolf - 32
20. iliad - 1
21. nagerous - 13
22. / - 7
23. spiesr - 24
24. jace22 - 11
25. aceartemis - 1
26. naxus - 4
27. thezzaruz - 2
28. mandalorian2298 - 3
29. blakebowling - 8
30.dazerazer - 8

Now let's put them in neat little boxes, color coded for our convenience

REPLACE ME NOW(=have contributed absolutely nothing, or have asked to be replaced)
lalaland - 1 post asking about mandy
cena - just confirmed
aceartemis - 1 joke vote
mandy - asked to be replaced
flores - ? not sure if you're serious about being replaced

I don't post, i lurk(=have contributed something but very little and seem way more interested in not getting noticed)
sensfan -only here because he's claiming he's away and he's usually not very talkative, otherwise it'd be "REPLACE ME NOW"
karel - just 2 barely contributing posts
Iliad - 1 post, it's a good post, but still just 1 post
naxus - Fos-ing daze and asking her to claim, that's about it
thezzaruz - 2 decent posts, claims he's been away, maybe, but for now still just 2 posts

I post, but i don't say anything(= they have a decent number of posts but haven't really said much looks like hiding in plain sight ...)
Jace - if you take away the trash posts he's got 1 post voting for daze and 1 post unvoting, that's it
daze - if we hadn't almost lynched her she'd probably be in the "Replace me now" category, as it is she's got several posts along the lines of "don't lynch me guys" and one post role claiming
Tails - out of 17 posts TWO are serious
saxlad - seriously, look at his posts, it'a amazing how little substance there is in 24 posts.

I have major tunnel vision(= players that seem ok, except they seem to have one fixation that occupies way too many of their posts)
Commander9 - he REALLY doesn't like herkman for some reason
Violet - she's friends with daze and thinks the game has 2 mafia's, that's pretty much it so far
pmc - he doesn't like nag

I blend in (the guys with nothing unusual, so therefore the most suspicious )
blake - he barely makes it here, but disregarding the WTF "claim" i think he's got enough activity,barely
/ - few posts but almost all contribute, not bad
nagerous
spiesr
strikewolf
freezie
AoG
ga7
Victor
fircoal
edocsil

I left herkman out because he's got 70 fucking posts, he won't fit in anywhere, and i also left myself out due to obvious reasons(bias). The only thing I'll say about herkman is that it seems pretty clear to me that he's an overanxious town newb (great idea with the posts list btw).

Now, my thoughts:
The "REPLACE ME NOW" group needs to be replaced, now.

The"I blend in" group, well, blends in.

Of the tunnel vision trio, pmc seems most harmless, he's probably there cause he's had few posts so far.
Violet, hmm well she certainly really is friends with daze, that could well be all there is to it i guess.
Commander is the most suspicious here imo. He's certainly a newb, but, as opposed to herkman, i really can't tell if he's a newb town who just "decided" herkman is scum for whatever reason and is doing his best to get him lynched, or a newb scum trying to appear active and contribute by starting a bandwaggon.

Of the "post without saying anything" group, not much to say about daze(20 pages was enough).
Jace and Tails, pretty similar situation, not sure exactly what to make of it, guess they could just be trying to be active while also being lazy buggers. Don't just post guys, contribute.
Saxland - he's at another level compared to the rest + he switched voted a lot + he made this post:

Guys, This is my first mafia game as well.

I can assure you I am not mafia, and whether it be my death or whether the doc chooses to protect me, if a cop searches me and can back up I will roleclaim next round.

You dont have to back me openly, just dont vote for me.

Which is odd to say the least. (ps: how would the cop back up your roleclaim just by not voting for you? that doesn't back up your roleclaim at all since we don't know who the cop is)
However he's stated he's new, voted like crazy because he wanted to be active and he does seem to have improved lately so i wouldn't go for him just yet.

And the lurkers:
Iliad and Thezzaruz you at least had some decent posts, but we need you guys to become more active
sensfan - put up an excuse at least, if he doesn't become active fast it's looking bad for him though
karel & naxus - no excuse, almost no contribution


Conclusion - for you skimmers, you should be ashamed
Now, here's the thing. We aren't going to be able to replace 7+ people that are completely inactive/massive lurkers. It's just not going to happen. I'm being really optimistic saying we can replace the 5 i marked.
So we have these lurkers and it isn't likely we'll replace them. We also have no leads.

I propose we take the lurkers close to lynch, if they start talking, great. But i mean real contributions, not just a few "don't lynch me posts".
If they don't start talking we gain most of the benefits that are gained by a lynch(possibility of scum, role info, info about everyone else based on how they act) and only lose a person who wasn't contributing and likely couldn't be replaced. A pretty good deal, yes?

So based on the above, and on the fact that naxus has 4 posts evenly spaced out so it seems he's somewhat following the thread, i'll Vote naxus

PHEW

[Haggis_McMutton]

Also, this just in. AoG has got a 1 month forum ban, we're gonna need another replacement ...

[spiesr]

Now, here's the thing. We aren't going to be able to replace 7+ people that are completely inactive/massive lurkers. It's just not going to happen. I'm being really optimistic saying we can replace the 5 i marked.

Exactly why we need Flores to come back. I understand the endless day 1 fatigue, take a day or two (irl) away if you need, but we need everyone we can get to keep this game afloat...

I propose we take the lurkers close to lynch

Sounds like a reasonable idea. Now I need to look through their stuff and pick a favorite...

[Fircoal]

Also, this just in. AoG has got a 1 month forum ban, we're gonna need another replacement ...

What did he get the ban for? O.o

[TA1LGUNN3R]

buncha stuff

Holy shit, that's some text right there.

Jace and Tails, pretty similar situation, not sure exactly what to make of it, guess they could just be trying to be active while also being lazy buggers. Don't just post guys, contribute.

I re-read my posts and realized that I haven't contributed much. Sorry. However, not a lot to do. I thought the daze BW was stupid in the first place. Violet contacted her and told her she was voted for, end of story, or so it should have been. Which is hilarious because if daze hadn't told everyone that someone warned her, then her BW wouldn't have happened. Mr. Squirrel stated how communications should be handled. And yet everyone is still hung up on this. Aside from the daze BW, nothing is really happening, so ergo I haven't had much to say. Now that she claimed, there's just the spat between herk and commander, and now violet and the absent flores. Again, not much to say, other than they need to quit with such personal grievances (I don't think flores was participating, just violet seemed to think so).

-Tails

[Haggis_McMutton]

Also, this just in. AoG has got a 1 month forum ban, we're gonna need another replacement ...

What did he get the ban for? O.o

Apparently "general spamming/trolling posts" or some such.

[Haggis_McMutton]

buncha stuff

Holy shit, that's some text right there.

Yes, but it's also got some pretty colors

Jace and Tails, pretty similar situation, not sure exactly what to make of it, guess they could just be trying to be active while also being lazy buggers. Don't just post guys, contribute.

I re-read my posts and realized that I haven't contributed much. Sorry. However, not a lot to do. I thought the daze BW was stupid in the first place. Violet contacted her and told her she was voted for, end of story, or so it should have been. Which is hilarious because if daze hadn't told everyone that someone warned her, then her BW wouldn't have happened. Mr. Squirrel stated how communications should be handled. And yet everyone is still hung up on this. Aside from the daze BW, nothing is really happening, so ergo I haven't had much to say. Now that she claimed, there's just the spat between herk and commander, and now violet and the absent flores. Again, not much to say, other than they need to quit with such personal grievances (I don't think flores was participating, just violet seemed to think so).

-Tails

Fair enough, now lets get to voting some lurkers. I'm hoping i managed to save us some pages/days with that massive post(probably wishful thinking)

[blakebowling]

Vote lala, I agree with haggis, I'd rather get rid of someone whos not playing, If they can't help us lynch off the scum, they're useless.

[VioIet]

Some of you all need to quit thinking these are personal attacks, it's a role-playing game.

When you name call- it is a personal attack. That’s why it’s not necessary to do that in a role playing game. Or necessary ever.

I don't see what Flores said as being incorrect. Daze has been more of a liability to the town that an asset, and has contributed almost nothing of value to the discussion. The discussion about her on the other hand could turn out to have yielded something worthwhile. As it stands, had Daze been lynched the only true would loss to the town would have been her claimed role blocking powers. And even that loss is only so great, as if the powers are under control of someone who either misses using them at night, or uses them poorly, then their value is greatly reduced anyway.

Hmmm I had a lot of FOS thoughts while reading your post.
You are saying Dazey would not be a loss to the town if she was lynched. She would only mildly be a loss because of her role blocking powers.
So using that line of argument- are you saying the town doesn’t lose anything if they lynch a vanilla.
Had dazey been a vanilla townie- it wouldn’t matter or not if she was lynched? The town wouldn’t lose anything. So every game, just lynch away all the vanilla townies- its no loss to the town?
I think in this game, numbers matter. If the mafia outnumber the town- they win. That’s all it takes. So as the town numbers go down- mafia gets greater and greater advantage. Any townie lynched, vanilla, power role or not- any townie is a great loss to the town!!!!! Because they are one number. A valuable number at that.


That seems like a very scummy argument.
FOS Spiesr
But to address some other points:

Also how has she been a liability?

Those who jumped on her bandwagon made her a liability- if you can even call it that. So shouldn’t those bandwagoners truly be the ones who are a liability to the town. Me and two other people tried to stop that bandwagon- but not many listened until she role claimed.

You say she doesn’t contribute to the discussion. And that is true for how many people in this game?

The preferable reaction would be to either admit the Flores had a valid point, or to suddenly start playing in a manner that could possibly be of use to the town.

And what would be a preferable reaction if you don’t think Flores’ point was valid. Just more or less an expression of frustration.

I mean while I believe Daze's role claim and therefor am against lynching her at this point, her play to this point leaves a lot to be desired...

Her play leaves a lot to be desired?

Because she posted in pink?

[strike wolf]

Well in the interest of getting this game going (it was already starting to stagnate before daze claim) I'm willing to put pressure on an inactive.

vote naxus

[Fircoal]

Some of you all need to quit thinking these are personal attacks, it's a role-playing game.

When you name call- it is a personal attack. That’s why it’s not necessary to do that in a role playing game. Or necessary ever.

I don't see what Flores said as being incorrect. Daze has been more of a liability to the town that an asset, and has contributed almost nothing of value to the discussion. The discussion about her on the other hand could turn out to have yielded something worthwhile. As it stands, had Daze been lynched the only true would loss to the town would have been her claimed role blocking powers. And even that loss is only so great, as if the powers are under control of someone who either misses using them at night, or uses them poorly, then their value is greatly reduced anyway.

Hmmm I had a lot of FOS thoughts while reading your post.
You are saying Dazey would not be a loss to the town if she was lynched. She would only mildly be a loss because of her role blocking powers.
So using that line of argument- are you saying the town doesn’t lose anything if they lynch a vanilla.
Had dazey been a vanilla townie- it wouldn’t matter or not if she was lynched? The town wouldn’t lose anything. So every game, just lynch away all the vanilla townies- its no loss to the town?
I think in this game, numbers matter. If the mafia outnumber the town- they win. That’s all it takes. So as the town numbers go down- mafia gets greater and greater advantage. Any townie lynched, vanilla, power role or not- any townie is a great loss to the town!!!!! Because they are one number. A valuable number at that.


That seems like a very scummy argument.
FOS Spiesr
But to address some other points:

Also how has she been a liability?

Those who jumped on her bandwagon made her a liability- if you can even call it that. So shouldn’t those bandwagoners truly be the ones who are a liability to the town. Me and two other people tried to stop that bandwagon- but not many listened until she role claimed.

You say she doesn’t contribute to the discussion. And that is true for how many people in this game?

The preferable reaction would be to either admit the Flores had a valid point, or to suddenly start playing in a manner that could possibly be of use to the town.

And what would be a preferable reaction if you don’t think Flores’ point was valid. Just more or less an expression of frustration.

I mean while I believe Daze's role claim and therefor am against lynching her at this point, her play to this point leaves a lot to be desired...

Her play leaves a lot to be desired?

Because she posted in pink?

1) Yes Vanilla townies are useless and they're a horrible fakeclaim for a good reason. Not only are they rarely even in CC mafia games but if you claim it there's no reason not to lynch the one that claims it. There will be no loss in their scummy butt being lynched. I'm kinda surprised that roleblocker was good enough to make it.

2) Bandwagoner's are a liability, and they should be lynched as they are scummy. The only thing is we don't know if Daze is town or scum so we can't pursue the bandwagoners for sure.

3) No because she hasn't really posted much about the game besides about her problems and defending herself. Once she posts more about who she thinks is scum, she'll be less of a liability.

[theherkman]

If we all vote naxus we're just going to force another role claim. Either he is a town role and tells us what he is, or he is mafia and tells us he is another roleblocker... I don't think this line of voting will be beneficial. In fact, I think with our recent talk of multiple roleblockers, any scum claim will be roleblocker.

[Haggis_McMutton]

If we all vote naxus we're just going to force another role claim. Either he is a town role and tells us what he is, or he is mafia and tells us he is another roleblocker... I don't think this line of voting will be beneficial. In fact, I think with our recent talk of multiple roleblockers, any scum claim will be roleblocker.

It would certainly be very odd that the second person we pick randomly happens to be a roleblocker. Unless he's very convincing he'll get lynched if he claims that(and if he ends up actually being a roleblocker, hey, daze is back up on the chopping board).

Second, if we actually get him to meaningfully defend himself(not like daze), that would also be great for us.

[/]

I love you Haggis, not particularly the food, but the player, oh and the Monkey Island character.

Hmm....not being the most actively posting type myself, I can understand why one may not post, but I won't give any lines to say in their place.
I agree we need to take steps as early as possible to avoid a dead game, too many have pittered out because the lurkers were ignored for far too long, Unvote Vote Naxus

If we all vote naxus we're just going to force another role claim. Either he is a town role and tells us what he is, or he is mafia and tells us he is another roleblocker... I don't think this line of voting will be beneficial. In fact, I think with our recent talk of multiple roleblockers, any scum claim will be roleblocker.

..... uhhh that's an interesting line of thought, so.......the most beneficial line of voting is...nothing?

[Fircoal]

I love you Haggis, not particularly the food, but the player, oh and the Monkey Island character.

Hmm....not being the most actively posting type myself, I can understand why one may not post, but I won't give any lines to say in their place.
I agree we need to take steps as early as possible to avoid a dead game, too many have pittered out because the lurkers were ignored for far too long, Unvote Vote Naxus

If we all vote naxus we're just going to force another role claim. Either he is a town role and tells us what he is, or he is mafia and tells us he is another roleblocker... I don't think this line of voting will be beneficial. In fact, I think with our recent talk of multiple roleblockers, any scum claim will be roleblocker.

..... uhhh that's an interesting line of thought, so.......the most beneficial line of voting is...nothing?

I personally think that it may be a bangwagoner or really still Dazey. I mean too many games here have I see role claims pile up on Day 1 and then a no lynch at the end. It's silly, and I don't want Day 1 to last forever. None of us do.

[strike wolf]

If we all vote naxus we're just going to force another role claim. Either he is a town role and tells us what he is, or he is mafia and tells us he is another roleblocker... I don't think this line of voting will be beneficial. In fact, I think with our recent talk of multiple roleblockers, any scum claim will be roleblocker.

To be honest I don't think this one going to role claim. Unless he pops up and says something fishy thst forces the bandwagon further I don't see him having to.

[theherkman]

I mean, what kind of role claim is going to end in a lynch? Daze didn't even give a shit about defending herself. I mean not REALLY. No one is going to claim mafia. We're gonna have to lynch someone, regardless. I personally don't believe daze. I don't think she is a roleblocker, I think it is a fake claim. But I'm not going to start a bandwagon against her for it. I'm gonna wait for night and hope a cop checks her and she turns up scummy. I'm also curious to see what commander's role is. His very first post was about how "interesting" a role it is. I think he might be 3rd party. If he was a daykiller, I'd be dead. If I die tonight, Commander's deff scummy. JM2C

[strike wolf]

If we all vote naxus we're just going to force another role claim. Either he is a town role and tells us what he is, or he is mafia and tells us he is another roleblocker... I don't think this line of voting will be beneficial. In fact, I think with our recent talk of multiple roleblockers, any scum claim will be roleblocker.

It would also be very odd to have the first two claims be role blockers. It would almost certainly mean that naxus still gets lynched and one of them is lying.

[spiesr]

So using that line of argument- are you saying the town doesn’t lose anything if they lynch a vanilla.
Had dazey been a vanilla townie- it wouldn’t matter or not if she was lynched? The town wouldn’t lose anything. So every game, just lynch away all the vanilla townies- its no loss to the town?

That is taking things far beyond what could reasonably be inferred from my statement. Of course vanilla townies are valuable. In some games they make up the bulk of all players. In mafia, a player ought to be judged more on what they can do during the day than the night. Of course, thus far daze hasn't had success in this department.

You say she doesn’t contribute to the discussion. And that is true for how many people in this game?

The Haggis Report says roughly 5 to 8 people. They are all guilty of being less than helpful. And as such, unless they improve in this regard many of them them would also not be not a major loss to the town if they died, based on what they have contributed today.

Her play leaves a lot to be desired?
Because she posted in pink?

No, becuase her sporadic posts and questionable actions caused a series of misunderstanding that led to her bandwagon becoming a real thing and not simply just joke votes about her post color. In short, her play to this point has not shown any signs of being helpful towards the town's goal of eliminated the scum.

But, anyway, let us stop this point here. I have already said that I currently believe Daze's claim and do not support lynching her at this point. Going further down this path won't really get us anywhere useful. We will just waste time and energy if this turns into a personal argument somehow...

[spiesr]

Either he is a town role and tells us what he is, or he is mafia and tells us he is another roleblocker... I don't think this line of voting will be beneficial. In fact, I think with our recent talk of multiple roleblockers, any scum claim will be roleblocker.

I don't think that a scum would actually want to fake claim roleblocker at this point. It doesn't seem like it would work that well. The talk of the possibility of multiple roleblockers certainly has not reached a consensus that there are multiple. Anyone claiming to be an additional one would come under fire from those who don't believe that there are that many.

I mean, what kind of role claim is going to end in a lynch?

The kind that were forced by a case stronger that the relatively weak one against Daze. As the game progresses we will have a little more to work with and will be better able to put together a case for someone being scum.
I was actually more or less expecting Daze to fail to give a roleclaim, or to do so in a way that was not believed and the day to end when people finally got tired of it all and pushed to her lynch. I was quite surprised when she gave a role claim that was believed not only by most of the town, but by myself...