Juan_Bottom wrote:ljex wrote:Also on your chat ban, I have talked to insomnia about this and she has assured me that there is more too this before whatever screen shot was posted in here.
Yeah, but you gotta take a step back and put this into perspective. You gotta start from the beginning. If I was acting inappropriately earlier in chat isn't it likely that one of the competent Mods in there would have warned me sooner? I've never been warned in my whole chat history. From the very beginning Insomnia refused to tell me even why I was even banned! I disclosed everything that I had believed happened (from memory) to the public to force her hand. I've been extremely honest from the start. I eventually had to go to Darwin to find out why I was banned, and he thinks I was banned for racism. I then posted the chat log that is the evidence used against me. As I predicted, Insomnia tried to take the emphasis off of racism, and say that I was trolling. The case against me is insanely weak, so Insomnia has invented a story where I was trolling earlier in chat. The problem with giving InsomniaRed the benefit of the doubt is that I've been honest from the very start and she hasn't. Furthermore, how can anyone argue their innocence if you allow for secret or even unrecorded evidence to be used against them? Isn't it her job to provide all of the evidence as to why she banned someone? Do Mods even need evidence anymore? She and Darwin don't even seem to agree on why I was banned. That's why Insomnia refused to tell me why I was banned; she didn't have a good reason and knew that If she shared it with me that I would expose her as a liar.
Juan I know enough about you to know that you have trolled in the past and are very nearly trolling in this thread, so when Insomnia says that you were trolling and they have evidence in the Chat forum i believe her not only because I trust her not banning someone for no reason but because I know very well that you can stir up shit in the forms for a well deserved punishment (Case in point the LV case, you were in the wrong and it became a huge thing in the forums). This is not to say that i am certain this is the case here, just that with the evidence/testimonials i have been presented with I'm inclined to believe insomniareds side of of the story...
Juan_Bottom wrote:ljex wrote:Either way that "joke" was uncalled for in my opinion,
You, or anyone else is more than welcome to explain just how it was a racist joke. It was an incomplete comment about a culture, not a race. To look around and see racism where it isn't is to be a racist yourself.
I wasn't banned for making racist jokes, I was banned because Darwin had interpreted it as racist. I never got to argue anything different before I was banned. You can clearly read me saying "WTF are you talking about Darwin" in the chat log. He didn't answer either.
This joke is not necessarily racist but it is definitely in poor taste...you are making generalizations about a group of people based on culture, nationality, race...whatever you want to call it. Either way i think the forms/live chat are a better place without such comments and i'm sure there are many people out there who agree with me. Quite simply you never know when someone is going to take offense to such a joke and things are going to escalating so some things are better left unsaid for the simple fact that it reduces arguments that may lead to flames etc. and many people (myself included) don't find such jokes funny but rather annoying due to their nature.
Juan_Bottom wrote:ljex wrote:That said i trust when insomniared tells me that there is more to the ban, i just figure i would give my thoughts on what has been provided on evidence.
I keep hearing this (only from Mods - once again it's the Mods VS the public) and it's utter bullsh*t. How can you give the benefit of the doubt to someone who's been lying from the start? I've told nothing but the truth and my story hasn't changed. I can't argue against secret or non-existent evidence. These statements are as shallow as they come. You know, she said that I was lying when I posted from memory, but I guess it's ok though when she remembers times that I trolled and she didn't even give me a warning.
Here's some quote's from Insomnia about why it's not fair that I use evidence based on memory:Your 'evidence' was a poorly transcribed, biased version of the parts you 'remember'.I am sorry we didn't do what you did and write things up to the best of our memory, as that would look unprofessional.
Yet somehow it's ok if she uses her memories to judge me...
I keep hearing this term mods vs the public all around the forms in different ways but could it possibly be public vs the mods? Its not like we go around looking to ban people and lately it seems like any time a mod takes any action the public gets all up in arms about it...
How can i give Insomnia the benefit of the doubt? There are multiple people with access to the relevant information that say the ban was warranted so I'm not just giving here the benefit of the doubt but all those people who have told me that you deserved a ban. Also at the you we rent given a warning, I go in chat often enough to know that when people start to be intentionally be annoying the chat mods post saying stop doing x or something along those lines. That is your warning and you even received one in the screenshot shown in this thread. Those are warnings and I myself even received one today...you need to look at what you are doing and stop or sterner action will be taken.
Juan_Bottom wrote:And anyway, one thing that we're really lacking her is some Mod insight as to how they interpret what I said as racism. So if you want to post about how you'd interpret it you're more than welcome to. If you compare my quote to "the former Mods" quote mine looks about as innocent as it gets.
I actually remember that statement and the discussion that went on as a result (I can't really go into much detail), but in the end do you really think he meant for it to sound the way it did or do you think he was posing the eventual question why is there a double standard? That was the discussion and the eventual conclusion was that a few missed words had caused the post to sound different than it was intended. Furthermore your statement was not racist it was just in poor taste as i have said earlier in this thread. Essentially they are very similar, on the fine line the only difference in my eyes is that yours was intended for humor (and due to this intended to generalize a group of people) while the post you have quoted was not intended to be "racist" (i use this term loosely as its not really racism but the improper generalization of a group of people) but actually pose a question to readers about how some have a double standard. To me this is a big difference and i would assume that many people agree with me. As is often the case things are not black and white and many things must be taken into consideration with these things, while i may view things one way you may view them differently and thus the hardest part of moderating any forum...what was the users intent when posting.
Anyway after some discussion im going to unlock this but please keep in mind this thread is on a very short leash so keep your posts relevant and dont troll/bait/flame
