Trolling Revisited

[theherkman]

alright i will put my plan in the suggestions area make sure you guys all cheek it out and add input!

You want me to cheek it out?

[targetman377]

alright i will put my plan in the suggestions area make sure you guys all cheek it out and add input!

You want me to cheek it out?

not know i will add it some time tomorrow it is a 2 charts on punishments and what hey should be basically a revamp of the system i got it all worked out and how to better the system i will post the link here when it is done!

[PLAYER57832]

This cite has gone from being dominated by the right to being bullied by the far, far right. I am under attack because I am one of the few who bothers to dispute so much of what is put out there as "truth".

The irony here is that so many of the whiners on the right are very, very quick to jump and ask for moderation, to issue complaints. Those of us more to the middle or even the few on the left are far more tolerant by nature. So, there is inordinate pressure on the left and the right is left to freely slander and abuse the rest.... and the bullying perpetuates.

[thegreekdog]

A point of clarification with respect to Player's post - In my limited time as a moderator, I have identified no pattern with respect to calls for moderation, reports of posts, and general calls for disciplinary action from either the identified conservatives or the identified liberals. I'm not sure what the exact breakdown is, but conservatives do not report posts more frequently than non-conservatives. Perhaps this happened in the past, but it certainly is not happening now. Perhaps this is a perception issue; I'm not sure.

[BigBallinStalin]

Ok, guys, I'm gonna let this marinate is some more political marinade, then post something in the Sugs. Hopefully, it won't overlap with previous ones, and I'll do my best to make sure I correct/improve whatever was posted earlier in it.

[targetman377]

i added a new plan that might fix things tell me what you guys think here is the link

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=131413

[denominator]

i added a new plan that might fix things tell me what you guys think here is the link

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=131413

Upon first glance, that looks okay, but there's a couple of things to fix:

1) You need to make a better chart and upload it somehow. The way you have it now is hella hard to read.

2) It's only covering a very small part of the issue here.

3) You still have rigid guidelines. I may be completely wrong here, but to me the issue isn't in the guidelines they have set, it's the rigidity of the guidelines. Making it slightly less of a penalty for a ban isn't going to solve the issue, in the end it may only further compound it (2 ways - users are more likely to break the rules with lower penalties, or moderators are more likely to penalize).

As for the political component:

This cite has gone from being dominated by the right to being bullied by the far, far right. I am under attack because I am one of the few who bothers to dispute so much of what is put out there as "truth".

The irony here is that so many of the whiners on the right are very, very quick to jump and ask for moderation, to issue complaints. Those of us more to the middle or even the few on the left are far more tolerant by nature. So, there is inordinate pressure on the left and the right is left to freely slander and abuse the rest.... and the bullying perpetuates.

Like my discussion of stereotypes based on age/sex in the other thread (here), it's really unfair to attach stereotypes to any actions of either the users or the moderators, even political ones.

However, just by nature, those with liberal tendencies are less likely to have a political agenda attached to actions, are are more free thinking (thus, liberal, durrr) so less likely to be offended by any actions by other users. Even so, I think you are attaching a far greater purpose to the actions of the moderators and the "right" than there actually is.

[PLAYER57832]

A point of clarification with respect to Player's post - In my limited time as a moderator, I have identified no pattern with respect to calls for moderation, reports of posts, and general calls for disciplinary action from either the identified conservatives or the identified liberals. I'm not sure what the exact breakdown is, but conservatives do not report posts more frequently than non-conservatives. Perhaps this happened in the past, but it certainly is not happening now. Perhaps this is a perception issue; I'm not sure.

How many liberals do you even see around here any longer?

[thegreekdog]

A point of clarification with respect to Player's post - In my limited time as a moderator, I have identified no pattern with respect to calls for moderation, reports of posts, and general calls for disciplinary action from either the identified conservatives or the identified liberals. I'm not sure what the exact breakdown is, but conservatives do not report posts more frequently than non-conservatives. Perhaps this happened in the past, but it certainly is not happening now. Perhaps this is a perception issue; I'm not sure.

How many liberals do you even see around here any longer?

There are a few. I guess what you're trying to say is that the conservatives are more vocal, thus there must be more of them, thus they must be the ones reporting the posts. I suppose I could keep track from here on out, but in the meantime you're going to have to trust me that conservatives are not the ones reporting more post than non-conservatives.

[theherkman]

So it is the damn liberals...

[thegreekdog]

So it is the damn liberals...

Or it could be people with no discernable political affiliation.

[theherkman]

Or the damn liberals...

[BigBallinStalin]

So it is the damn liberals...

Or it could be people with no discernable political affiliation.

a.k.a. commies.

[PLAYER57832]

A point of clarification with respect to Player's post - In my limited time as a moderator, I have identified no pattern with respect to calls for moderation, reports of posts, and general calls for disciplinary action from either the identified conservatives or the identified liberals. I'm not sure what the exact breakdown is, but conservatives do not report posts more frequently than non-conservatives. Perhaps this happened in the past, but it certainly is not happening now. Perhaps this is a perception issue; I'm not sure.

How many liberals do you even see around here any longer?

There are a few. I guess what you're trying to say is that the conservatives are more vocal, thus there must be more of them, thus they must be the ones reporting the posts.

No, but my history goes back a ways before yours, also. I am not going to dredge up ancient history here in this thread.

I say this becuase it seems that conservative posters more often get away with making nasty comments, etc and less far right posters tend to "disappear" fairly quickly. Right now, radiojake. is probaly the only truly liberal poster here, though there are others of us who are liberal on some issues.

I suppose I could keep track from here on out, but in the meantime you're going to have to trust me that conservatives are not the ones reporting more post than non-conservatives.

First you would have to come up with a definition of conservative. That, itself is a problem. Among other issues, even some of the most conservative posters can be "liberal" on some issues, such as race. And, then you have someone like B.K., who I would say is rather tolerant/able to discuss various views with intelligence, but who simply has some very "old fashioned" or conservative views about a few subjects (most notably homosexuality).

[PLAYER57832]

cc is no more fun

Part of the problem here is an utter blurring between trolling/spam that the administration wants to avoid, seemingly because it wastes space or just irritates a few of them and things that actually cause people to get angry, feel hurt, or just make some unwilling to express differing views. In fact, it often seems that pure playfullness is condemned far more than someone (or a group of someones) going on the all-out warpath against another person.

Some of you are familiar with a group, now mostly inactive, called the Real University. The short of it is that it was begun during a previous period of forum antagonism, distrust and dislike of the forums and the negativity found within. So, it was set up as a place where all those contentious issues could be debated, but with civility. Though its inactive, for a while there were quite a few involved debates. It was set up with a mixed leadership group (mixed beliefs) who would serve as "jury" to determine if someone was out of line or not.

That exact format would not work here. We would need a larger "jury", a few other tweaks. However, it debates are to continue, then I think some sort of "civil debate" rules, not just "anti trolling"/ "don't mess with the mods" type rules need to be adopted.

P.S. the other problem, of course is what I will term "spoiled children" who are going to complain any time they don't get to do what they want. Those people will always exist, but don't deserve any special attention, even though they can cause a great deal of grief to others. That is, just because a lot of complaints are coming in at any one point doesn't mean, necessarily, that those complaints are suddenly valid.

[BigBallinStalin]

It also depends on how serious it is, how continuous it is, and how sensitive some people are to it.

I'd have a good enough case against VoL for at least a warning + evidence for future banning, but I don't do that because I'm fairly tolerant of it, and I find it funny.

[thegreekdog]

I thought rockfist was conservative??? Seriously. Maybe there's the problem right there - I'm not defining conservatives the right way (which you've indicated).

If any poster, regardless of whether he or she is conservative or liberal, makes a nasty comment that could be considered flaming (or in any other way violates the rules), I urge you and anyone else to report it.

[PLAYER57832]

I thought rockfist was conservative??? Seriously.

My bad. Yes, I meant radiojake..(corrected in the original post).

Maybe there's the problem right there - I'm not defining conservatives the right way (which you've indicated).

If any poster, regardless of whether he or she is conservative or liberal, makes a nasty comment that could be considered flaming (or in any other way violates the rules), I urge you and anyone else to report it.

I know that is part of the problem, it just seems so much like "tattling" unless its something really obvious or truly nasty.

The one thing I do regularly complain about is if someone changes someone else's quote. That is currently allowed, but I feel it should not be.

[PLAYER57832]

It also depends on how serious it is, how continuous it is, and how sensitive some people are to it.

I'd have a good enough case against VoL for at least a warning + evidence for future banning, but I don't do that because I'm fairly tolerant of it, and I find it funny.

The biggest complaints from the forum users seem to come when a new mod appears. For some reason, they seem to go a bit "hog wild". This says to me that something is lacking in the training, perhaps.
I don't know what training mods get. Maybe a kind of "what would you do here?" self-study program would help, together with a "tag-along" program, where the new mod has to run decisions by the experienced mod (except in EMERGENCIES) until they get their feet a bit wet.

[theherkman]

So it is the damn liberals...

Or it could be people with no discernable political affiliation.

a.k.a. commies.

Commies are liberals...

[PLAYER57832]

Commies are liberals...

Actually, they are not necessarily, but that is an entirely different discussion.

[BigBallinStalin]

Commies are liberals...

Actually, they are not necessarily, but that is an entirely different discussion.

That's what a communist WOULD say.

[theherkman]

Commies are liberals...

Actually, they are not necessarily, but that is an entirely different discussion.

That's what a communist WOULD say.

You know what they say about great minds, BBS... They wish to work together to bring death to the democrats and their liberal agendas through pollution!

[BigBallinStalin]

Commies are liberals...

Actually, they are not necessarily, but that is an entirely different discussion.

That's what a communist WOULD say.

You know what they say about great minds, BBS... They wish to work together to bring death to the democrats and their liberal agendas through pollution!

[theherkman]

Nice.

I love BttF!