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Re: New Briarsburg Mafia. Day 2. replacements still needed

Postby strike wolf on Thu Nov 25, 2010 12:54 am

Ahh the pun involving my user name is killing me. To be completely truthful I get that "I don't really have anything to point to this but he just strikes me as possible scum" feeling with Ga7 all the time but that's getting side tracked from the topic at hand.

In all seriousness, I've rethought out my vote again. My original reason for unvoting Aage was that he had no visible connection with blake the only confirmed scum in the game. On reexamination while that does help support a case for him being an overzealous townie, there is a chance that he could be part of another non-town group and if that is the case it is best to flush them out early in the game rather than discover them late. For that reason Unvote vote aage.

That being said I still really do not like Jace in this game. I just do not trust him. I already presented the evidence of his connections with blake (blake stepping out to defend him and similar voting patterns) plus after calling him out today he gave a quick defense, voted on the Aage wagon quickly and disappeared again as things were moving more that way. So yeah over night, I think Jace is a valid subject to look into.
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Re: New Briarsburg Mafia. Day 2. Town takes revenge on scum

Postby Mr. Squirrel on Thu Nov 25, 2010 12:59 am

Vote Count

herk (3) - aage, violet, victor
jace (3) - freezie, edocsil, stefunny,
aage (6) - jace, ga7, fircoal, flores, saxlad, strike wolf

With 28 alive, 15 to lynch
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Re: New Briarsburg Mafia. Day 2. replacements still needed

Postby VioIet on Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:08 am

What do you mean that I am a little off? Elaborate please.

And I already said. I voted you because I didn't like your story. Can't believe more people are giving you a pass for that. If I was the mod- you would have been gone.
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Re: New Briarsburg Mafia. Day 2. replacements still needed

Postby Stefunny85 on Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:15 am

VioIet wrote:What do you mean that I am a little off? Elaborate please.

And I already said. I voted you because I didn't like your story. Can't believe more people are giving you a pass for that. If I was the mod- you would have been gone.

Just a question, but are you saying you would kick someone out of your mafia game because they lied in the game???
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Re: New Briarsburg Mafia. Day 2. replacements still needed

Postby Commander9 on Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:16 am

VioIet wrote:WTH Commander!! You have been skimming through all my post?? I do not take kindly to that.
lalaland, cena-rules, pmc, sensfan,

Yet you FOS me for being inactive. WTH
When have I been inactive this game? At the time you made that post- we had both posted twice on Day 2. So don't know where you got that from. Go FOS yourself.
That seriously irked me.
Oh well moving on.


If you would re-read what I've wrote, I did write that we should definitely take a look at our inactives. If you'd notice, Sensfan is one of my main interest subjects while pcm is following closely. The other two should just be replaced, IMO. (probably PCM too)

Just saying that you used to post a bit more in day 1 and that when compared to 15 pages of Day 2, you didn't have all that many posts. I haven't been skimming, but you really didn't post a lot until then. That's the only thing that I'm stating.
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Re: New Briarsburg Mafia. Day 2. replacements still needed

Postby strike wolf on Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:19 am

Probably all of those people you mentioned should be replaced. Sensfan may be the lone exception as he has at least made some legitimate effort to post but yes. Inactivity is the major concern in this game. We have apparently 12 people voting and maybe 16-18 people who have contributed to the Day 2 conversation out of 28? I'd have to look up the exact numbers but I don't think it's far off from that.
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Re: New Briarsburg Mafia. Day 2. replacements still needed

Postby VioIet on Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:24 am

Commander, I think it is a bit hypocritical for you to point out my so-called "inactiveness" when up to that point- you had the same number of posts as I did.

And did you take a look at the length of my posts? Normally I wait until I have several things to say. I don't impulsively post to answer a quick question or make a quick response as I am doing tonight.

I don't need to re-read what you wrote- I read it thoroughly. And I was all with you until you called me inactive. Again, may I repeat WTH!!!

I will probably re-read it eventually, as every few days- I re-read the past few pages in the thread.

I don't take this "inactiveness" claim lightly, as you are trying to throw suspicion on me for a bs reason.
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Re: New Briarsburg Mafia. Day 2. replacements still needed

Postby Commander9 on Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:27 am

VioIet wrote:Commander, I think it is a bit hypocritical for you to point out my so-called "inactiveness" when up to that point- you had the same number of posts as I did.

And did you take a look at the length of my posts? Normally I wait until I have several things to say. I don't impulsively post to answer a quick question or make a quick response as I am doing tonight.

I don't need to re-read what you wrote- I read it thoroughly. And I was all with you until you called me inactive. Again, may I repeat WTH!!!

I will probably re-read it eventually, as every few days- I re-read the past few pages in the thread.

I don't take this "inactiveness" claim lightly, as you are trying to throw suspicion on me for a bs reason.


Again, just saying that in 15 pages you had 2 posts with 1 one of them being a one-liner about avenging Dazey. Yes, I did, but you fully know why I only had 2 posts and that the soonest time I could have posted was yesterday's evening and I was just too tired for that.
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Re: New Briarsburg Mafia. Day 2. replacements still needed

Postby VioIet on Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:34 am

I have no post that was a one-liner, it was a page full of quotes that I responded to. Or posted for reference/information.

Perhaps you are the one who needs to re-read my post again.

Fairly convenient for you to pop up and say "oh busy i will post later." So you were busy- I'm sure that was true. But to call someone who had contributed more than you up to that point an "inactive." WTH
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Re: New Briarsburg Mafia. Day 2. replacements still needed

Postby Victor Sullivan on Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:58 am

Thanks for the answers, herk, I'm glad to see my vote caught your attention ;) unvote but I will vote VioIet. "Why did you vote for her?" you say? Oh, you didn't? Eh, I'll tell you anyway:

The cases against people so far:
1. aage: He's going after the f*cking power role townie!! WTF?!?
2. theherkman: Who's to say he's town at all? He's said so much nonsense and mentioned a few obscure roles, why can't he be lying?
3. Jace22: OMG HE SIDED WITH BLAKE IN A POST.
4. VioIet: As I mentioned earlier, we can safely assume that daze and Vio couldn't both be scum, and since daze turned up innocent, and the fact that VioIet's "contributions" have been nothing but fierce attacks against those who've merely FOS'd her or daze, it seems like it's not uncalled for to vote her. She's acting much different than in other mafias, it seems. I find it difficult to allow such behavior to go under the scum-dar. Plus, I think it's best we take a night to investigate the other suspects before lynching, as even theherkman thinks aage could be simply a pissed off townie.

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Re: New Briarsburg Mafia. Day 2. replacements still needed

Postby theherkman on Thu Nov 25, 2010 2:24 am

strike wolf wrote:Ahh the pun involving my user name is killing me. To be completely truthful I get that "I don't really have anything to point to this but he just strikes me as possible scum" feeling with Ga7 all the time but that's getting side tracked from the topic at hand.

In all seriousness, I've rethought out my vote again. My original reason for unvoting Aage was that he had no visible connection with blake the only confirmed scum in the game. On reexamination while that does help support a case for him being an overzealous townie, there is a chance that he could be part of another non-town group and if that is the case it is best to flush them out early in the game rather than discover them late. For that reason Unvote vote aage.

That being said I still really do not like Jace in this game. I just do not trust him. I already presented the evidence of his connections with blake (blake stepping out to defend him and similar voting patterns) plus after calling him out today he gave a quick defense, voted on the Aage wagon quickly and disappeared again as things were moving more that way. So yeah over night, I think Jace is a valid subject to look into.


Ummm... Pardon me, but FOS for saying I think I should vote x but I'm going with y cause there is a BW... Seriously?

VioIet wrote:What do you mean that I am a little off? Elaborate please.

And I already said. I voted you because I didn't like your story. Can't believe more people are giving you a pass for that. If I was the mod- you would have been gone.


Okay, Vi, the story was a little bit of humor. I posted one line about shooting the next person to make a sound. Flow was being a naughty bitch and mocked me. It made me a little upset and I took the opportunity to write a story. It was a joke. You want to kill me for that? Scummy... That might be a little off...
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Re: New Briarsburg Mafia. Day 2. replacements still needed

Postby theherkman on Thu Nov 25, 2010 2:26 am

Victor Sullivan wrote:Thanks for the answers, herk, I'm glad to see my vote caught your attention ;)


Yeah, no prob. Buncha speed games, all those Oasis quads... Got like 70 games right now. I didn't really take the time to answer you until you voted me. Then I was like, "Well f*ck, I better explains my shizzz..." Lol!
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Re: New Briarsburg Mafia. Day 2. replacements still needed

Postby Victor Sullivan on Thu Nov 25, 2010 2:37 am

theherkman wrote:
Victor Sullivan wrote:Thanks for the answers, herk, I'm glad to see my vote caught your attention ;)


Yeah, no prob. Buncha speed games, all those Oasis quads... Got like 70 games right now. I didn't really take the time to answer you until you voted me. Then I was like, "Well f*ck, I better explains my shizzz..." Lol!

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Re: New Briarsburg Mafia. Day 2. replacements still needed

Postby theherkman on Thu Nov 25, 2010 2:41 am

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Re: New Briarsburg Mafia. Day 2. replacements still needed

Postby aage on Thu Nov 25, 2010 2:58 am

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VioIet wrote:What do you mean that I am a little off? Elaborate please.

And I already said. I voted you because I didn't like your story. Can't believe more people are giving you a pass for that. If I was the mod- you would have been gone.


Okay, Vi, the story was a little bit of humor. I posted one line about shooting the next person to make a sound. Flow was being a naughty bitch and mocked me. It made me a little upset and I took the opportunity to write a story. It was a joke. You want to kill me for that? Scummy... That might be a little off...

Er, "story" might mean multiple things.


Still, I find it hilarious how you think I'm trying to get you killed because I'm so upset I couldn't kill you last night, rant rant fistshake. :P

On reexamination while that does help support a case for him being an overzealous townie, there is a chance that he could be part of another non-town group and if that is the case it is best to flush them out early in the game rather than discover them late. For that reason Unvote vote aage.

You hypocrit, this is my exact argument for killing TheHerkman.
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Re: New Briarsburg Mafia. Day 2. replacements still needed

Postby theherkman on Thu Nov 25, 2010 3:50 am

aage wrote:
theherkman wrote:
VioIet wrote:What do you mean that I am a little off? Elaborate please.

And I already said. I voted you because I didn't like your story. Can't believe more people are giving you a pass for that. If I was the mod- you would have been gone.


Okay, Vi, the story was a little bit of humor. I posted one line about shooting the next person to make a sound. Flow was being a naughty bitch and mocked me. It made me a little upset and I took the opportunity to write a story. It was a joke. You want to kill me for that? Scummy... That might be a little off...

Er, "story" might mean multiple things.


Good catch, it does mean multiple things...

Anyway...

Aage wrote:Still, I find it hilarious how you think I'm trying to get you killed because I'm so upset I couldn't kill you last night, rant rant fistshake. :P


This is the only reason I am being voted. Because I couldn't be NK'd.
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Re: New Briarsburg Mafia. Day 2. replacements still needed

Postby aage on Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:08 am

theherkman wrote:
Aage wrote:Still, I find it hilarious how you think I'm trying to get you killed because I'm so upset I couldn't kill you last night, rant rant fistshake. :P


This is the only reason I am being voted. Because I couldn't be NK'd.

If you seriously think that to be true you're not very familiar with this game and I suggest you go and read some more mafiawiki articles. "he only votes me because I'm supreme and he can't stand it"? No, he only votes you because he thinks you scum. That's the only reason anyone will vote for someone: because they think them to be scum. I hoped you had figured that out by now. Apparently I was wrong... I'll never overestimate you again, promise :)
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Re: New Briarsburg Mafia. Day 2. replacements still needed

Postby karelpietertje on Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:43 am

Victor Sullivan, I don't agree with you on lynching Violet.
She is annoying as hell, especially in her attacking everybody that even FoSes her or Dazerazer. Hell, when she saw my Day2 FoS on dazerazer her eyes went red in madness and she couldn't even read the next couple of posts in which that weird typo was corrected.

However, she seems like a child/inexperienced townie, not necessarily mafia.

that is the case I feel with aage, because he, besides attacking anybody who is after him, he also targets the person who we believe (or have to believe) to be a (really) good guy.
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Re: New Briarsburg Mafia. Day 2. replacements still needed

Postby strike wolf on Thu Nov 25, 2010 7:20 am

aage wrote:
theherkman wrote:
VioIet wrote:What do you mean that I am a little off? Elaborate please.

And I already said. I voted you because I didn't like your story. Can't believe more people are giving you a pass for that. If I was the mod- you would have been gone.


Okay, Vi, the story was a little bit of humor. I posted one line about shooting the next person to make a sound. Flow was being a naughty bitch and mocked me. It made me a little upset and I took the opportunity to write a story. It was a joke. You want to kill me for that? Scummy... That might be a little off...

Er, "story" might mean multiple things.


Still, I find it hilarious how you think I'm trying to get you killed because I'm so upset I couldn't kill you last night, rant rant fistshake. :P

On reexamination while that does help support a case for him being an overzealous townie, there is a chance that he could be part of another non-town group and if that is the case it is best to flush them out early in the game rather than discover them late. For that reason Unvote vote aage.

You hypocrit, this is my exact argument for killing TheHerkman.

Except that as annoying as herk is, he still seems to me at least to be town. You really didn't earn that kind of respect in this game to be considered likely town., if you want me to lay out my reasons here they are.

You claim that herk could be part of a second mafia. I do not see any evidence for a second mafia in this game. If there was I think we would have seen more death last night because A. I doubt mafia would have targeted such a low profile player as blake (he may noit have been absent but wasn't flying in front of every radar either.) it actually makes more sense that someone like the herk who got overzealous and took it into his own hands as a vig or convinced a group he was in to kill blake as far as that group being a scum group it doesn't rule it out completely but id say suggests against it again that they would take out blake. B. If it was a second mafia group wherwe are all the other kills? I mentioned that a good town vig could be waiting pn more information to pop up but there are a lot of less experienced players in this game so chances are good the role would have landed with them and would have used it.
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Re: New Briarsburg Mafia. Day 2. replacements still needed

Postby Haggis_McMutton on Thu Nov 25, 2010 7:51 am

Ok, managed to do a quick re-read. Damn this game is growing fast. First a response to:



theherkman wrote:Haggis seems REALLY scummy. Doesn't seem to be too active, yet not skimming/lurking. Comes out to post every so often, even voting. BTW - I was the one who put together the post links. Not you. You copied my post and updated it. I spent an hour making those links and that post. It's quite rude to claim you did it.

1. I already posted that the next 3 weeks will be hectic for me, and that i haven't managed to keep up with the thread too well. I just got the chance to do a quick re-read this morning.
2. I have not actually voted for anyone in D2
3. I thought she was reffering to my analysis on the posts. Didn't mean to "steal" your work. (btw, I wrote 1k words in that analysis + colour coding and reading all posts both in the thread and in isolation, it took significantly more than 1 hour, which is why i said i won't have time to do it again, at least for the next 3 or so weeks. :lol: )

Now, here's my thoughts on the main protagonists of the day.

herk - As always, i still believe he is a townie. He's still OMGUS-ing a lot, but it seems to me that it's still better than what he was doing in day 1. Just realise that OMGUSing anyone who votes or posts against you isn't a very effective way to play, man.
For instance:
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spiesr wrote:What evidence do you have against aage, apart from him voting for you today? This looks a lot like you just omgusing everyone who votes for you still.


And spiesr is now on my mafia list. Good job outing yourself. =D This game is looking better and better!

Haha, I can't help but laugh. You're gonna defend someone for wanting to kill a pro-town role. This is great! Lol!


Uhm, yeah. If i posted something like that, i bet I'd have a wagon on me in no time flat.

Also, can't believe i missed this:
theherkman wrote:Oh, also, just wanted to throw this out there. Was reading another CC mafia and just wanted to say something for the cop. If you can talk to Mr. S and he relays messages between you and an unknown party, it is probably the mafia. Just an FYI.

I'm assuming this is referring to my game.
See it's the same kind of logic. "Just cause he voted for me, he must be scum" vs "Just because this is what happened once in some game, this must always happen". It's just bad logic. Actually i made it that way in that game especially so it would be "crazy" and "unexpected". And i was actually criticized for it, might not have been a good decision in retrospect, who knows. I'd say it's extremely unlikely a serious, big, game like this would have a silly mechanic like that.

Anyway, getting back to the game.
I still find the super-town-group thing kind of overpowered. On the other hand, I can't imagine that no one bothered to investigate you last night. So i take the fact that no cop stepped up saying they found you guilty as pretty good evidence of your innocence.

aage - I really don't know what to think about you. I mean, if you're just regular scum, you're either an extremely brave or an extremely stupid one.
I'm guessing you're genuinely a severly tunnel-visioned townie, or some kind of exotic third-party(lyncher has been mentioned. While i haven't actually ever seen one in a game i played, i don't think this "all out" approach would work very well for a lyncher either).
I just don't know. You're certainly more likely to be scum than herk imo, but you just don't feel like scum to me. I can't imagine why any scum would play the way you are playing.

Jace - Yeah, the case against you is weak. The thing is, you just popped in, said your piece, hopped on the wagon and popped out. I'll vote Jace for now. Just cause i want to see you post more. We have too many inactives as is.

I'd also like to attract attention towards Saxlad. Some of his posts struck me as pretty scummy, so i looked over his post history and it doesn't look too good to me. He's firmly in the "i post a lot but i don't say anything category", furthermore he seems to enjoy quoting a long-ass analysis only to write a quck FOS or VOTE for some bullshit reason or another. Observe:

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1. chu
2. edocsil
3. vic
4. ga7
5. Theherkman
6. pmc
7. AoG
8. lala
9. freezie
10. violet
11. haggis_mcmutton
12. cena
13. TG
14. Flores
15. commander
16. the saxlad
17. sensfan
18. karel
19. stike wolf
20. iliad
21. nag
22. /
23. spiesr
24. jace
25. ace
26. naxus
27. thez
28. mandy
29. blakebowling
30.dazerazer



Ok just thought I'd note this...I'm looking at this list and there are a few inactives like
Mandy who seems to have just disappeared
lalaland who's posted some but been fairly quiet throughout the day only confirming and making a comment about if he wasn't sure if mandy was role claiming or joking
PMC who was fairly active for about a day RL time and than disappeared
Karel who confirmed made one joke vote and than resurfaced today and made a relevant comment about the current suspect.
Thez who other than confirming his role has not posted.
Cena with the same scenario as Thez

And possibly a couple others that I have missed.

the activity has been fairly good in this game but thought I'd post this as in a game this size it is easy to miss the inactives.


Surely Pointing Out all the inactives, trying to draw the vote away from them is a scumtell?

FOS Strikewolf.


Real solid reasoning here ...

TheSaxlad wrote:Guys, This is my first mafia game as well.

I can assure you I am not mafia, and whether it be my death or whether the doc chooses to protect me, if a cop searches me and can back up I will roleclaim next round.

You dont have to back me openly, just dont vote for me.

:)


WTF was up with this? Seriously?

TheSaxlad wrote:ok no role claiming then.

:)

Is daze hung yet?



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edocsil wrote:Anyone else still curious how the hell herk knew there could be a punisher? It is one of the most obscure roles in the game


You've been skimming a lot. I don't know, I mentioned that there might be. I've also provided links to where I've read it. :roll:


strike wolf wrote:Well going back through his early posts. His first post showed he at least had some basic knowledge of cops and doctors coming into the game. Shortly after he mentioned that this was his first mafia game online. So he does possibly have more history in mafia than he has let on just on a different stage. I also don't like how he has for a large part of the game just echoed town sentiment. I do like that he went out of his way to make an extensive about specific activity in the game. But other than that he hasn't taken much of his own initiative except for trying to raise suspicion against anyone who has voted for him or questioned his logic (aog and commander)


True, I do know how to play, but it's a different dynamic playing online. More thought I think. It seems to me that there is more random blundering and less thought to games played in-person. It has also been a great number of years since my last game. I used to play as a young teen on church road trips. It was all we did. We made up our own flavors/factions/roles/everything and played for hours on end, game after game. Anyway, I digress. I'm not voting AOG again out of spite :oops: or commander for his nonsense... :roll: I have no FOS at AOG, and a strong one at commander, but I am not convinced he is scum.

And i do try. 8-) Do you know how long those linkys took? Hehe a long ass time.


so spending all your time trying to persuade us your not scum, by leading us off on the completely wrong track?

Small FOS herkman.


Yeah, solid reasoning again ...

TheSaxlad wrote:
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theherkman wrote:You should be keeping an eye on blakebowling. I say that I am have information about a doc and know who two trusted townies are and he votes me... HELLO? Did anyone miss this?



All I seen was you overreacting ONCE AGAIN calling out a single vote on you. A single vote and you call someone for '' trying to call a lynch on you''.

Dude, you're not at l-1..you're a l-a gazibillion votes.


Found this on page 47.

Herk You need to spill now. HTF did you know what was going on...


Uhm, herk basically explained why he was voting blake IN THE QUOTE, what was this all about?

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nagerous wrote:Either way I'm surprised that more blood wasn't shed, in a 30 player game there could be up to 5 or so killing roles.


Well it looks to me like this was a case of one killing role killing another killing role (perhaps the punisher? blake did make a role claim of some kind on one of the pages) preventing the latter killing role's kill to go throughv or less likely Blake's role was busdriven back at himself. I also wouldn't put it past the mod to have a Poisoner in this game and my experience is that most good vigs and JOATS won't attempt to kill anyone until they have a good sense of who's mafia.

Also FOS: TheSaxLad You want to vote herk because he and Aage were the only two to FOS Blake? first of all I believe that is false as far as being the only two. Second of all, the logic that it is because they must know more than everyone else makes no sense whatsoever.


No Im voting herk because, he seems A. too active
B. he seems as though he knows a lot, especially about blakebowling.
C. How?

Those are my main questions/statements, as soon as/ if I get satisfying answers then I will change my vote, maybe it might even bring the scum out.


Wow, I don't think i could make up more bullshit sounding reasons if i tried. He's posting too much and happened to FOS the guy who turned out to be scum, yeah ...

TheSaxlad wrote:After reading the pages above:

unovte vote aage

reasons above in the last 3 pages.


Just switching the waggon, nothing to see here ...

TheSaxlad wrote:
edocsil wrote:Alright, since when is Herk a confirmed townie? This is really beginning to bother me. He did some wacked shit yesterday and is starting it up again today, and when he is presented with a logical argument he flames. And then by magic everyone agrees with him and jumps on his OMGUS wagon

Christ, are you three in this together? I want to do some re reading before I post all my thoughts, but here are a few. FoS Fircoal and Ga7, you are both better players then that and I cannot come to terms as to why you agree with Herk's pathetic arguments. You know full well if you support Herk the others will likely follow your lead and attempt to lynch aage and this causes me great concerns, because while aage has been aggressive in his pursuit of Herk he has had a legitimate case against him. But you just dismiss it all as lyncher tactics and wagon him.

What is going on here?


Why are you protecting him?
Guys i think we found another mafia waiting to be lynched...


Uhm, just wow ...

FOS Saxlad


Aaaand. Once more i spent way more time on this than i intended. God dammit. :lol:
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Re: New Briarsburg Mafia. Day 2. replacements still needed

Postby ga7 on Thu Nov 25, 2010 7:59 am

God this game is getting more annoying by the page. I certainly hope scum are amongst the most thick specimens of players we have here, as most of you people's ability to read between lines is nil. Well screw you, I won't spell it out for you.
Onto analysis...

I don't think it's very likely that we have two mafias, Mr S' scenes clearly mention a mob and that's it. There can of course be a SK, and I hope there's no cult... But these kind of things are usually more clear in flavor.
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If I recall well there have only been two games in mafia history where masons included a scum. One game the mod was thrown rotten tomatoes as it made for a very easy mafia win due to the huge advantage, another it was very restricted and hinted so worked rather well. But when you talk about mason, you talk about a town group that can communicate with each other. Else it's called a mafia or a cult :roll:
Seriously guys, if you don't know much about mafia roles at least have the decency to not have misconceptions about them :P

theherkman wrote:I think that if Jace is scum, then we should look at ga7, flores, and saxlad VERY CAREFULLY. If Aage is scum, we need to look at freezie, edocsil, and strike.

Also, violet, why are you voting me again?

Lol I see several names that you put in the wrong category but let's start by me. First post of the day:
ga7 wrote:I find Strike Wolf's argument the best one so far, although it's hard to really go for it because it concerns the dead scum's behaviour and not Jace's, who can only defend his pattern. Nevertheless it's a link, and might be a good lead.

As Strike Wolf points out in this post:
strike wolf wrote:That being said I still really do not like Jace in this game. I just do not trust him. I already presented the evidence of his connections with blake (blake stepping out to defend him and similar voting patterns) plus after calling him out today he gave a quick defense, voted on the Aage wagon quickly and disappeared again as things were moving more that way. So yeah over night, I think Jace is a valid subject to look into.

The fact Jace has been laying low ever since makes his case stronger IMO. Then again I think he'd be a great target for an investigation rather than a BW, because the case on him is mostly about what Blake did and not himself (though now you can add to that submarining).
Else I really don't get your placing freezie and strike here. Having just reread it makes 0 sense to me. Please stop throwing names without a basis, it's misleading.
On Edoc, I absolutely agree with Freezie's post here:
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edocsil wrote:Alright, since when is Herk a confirmed townie? This is really beginning to bother me. He did some wacked shit yesterday and is starting it up again today, and when he is presented with a logical argument he flames. And then by magic everyone agrees with him and jumps on his OMGUS wagon

Christ, are you three in this together? I want to do some re reading before I post all my thoughts, but here are a few. FoS Fircoal and Ga7, you are both better players then that and I cannot come to terms as to why you agree with Herk's pathetic arguments. You know full well if you support Herk the others will likely follow your lead and attempt to lynch aage and this causes me great concerns, because while aage has been aggressive in his pursuit of Herk he has had a legitimate case against him. But you just dismiss it all as lyncher tactics and wagon him.

What is going on here?



Is this the case you're talking about?

aage wrote:Yes, Jace is suspicious, but for now i will still urge you all to vote theherkman. This dude has been referring to having night kill actions ALL NIGHT, not to mention his pretty. odd behavior yesterday (as in, during D1). If he's the vig, we're better off without him. If he's some other killing role, he should die. Now.

vote theherkman btw.



That he posted some story mid-night about beeing able to kill?

Great case Mr E. Well worth an agressive defense over aage.

Heck, am almost wanting to lynch you just to see if Aage is your scumbody or not...

This won't clean Herk, but yea..


Aage's only defense to people pointing out he's trying to out a second target so that mafia can at least kill one of the masons is:
aage wrote:Why do you think I want to see a second member of that power group of yours? Possibly because I also need info? Because I'm not a cop? As I already said? It's the almost-ultimate test of seeing whether you're speaking the truth and I'm targeting the wrong guy. The ultimate test would be lynching you, but it seems like people are more interested in lynching Jace so that's probably not going to happen today. And since Victor's test also didn't work, this is now the only way for me to be sure.

He has admitted he's not a cop so it's not the reason he's going after Herk. I do not believe it's a stubborn townie talking, it is one that desperately wants to take a dent at the town group that could be the main threat to mafia. I don't see any rationale towards his fishing other than satisfying curiosity...
theherkman wrote:You should be keeping an eye on blakebowling. I say that I am have information about a doc and know who two trusted townies are and he votes me... HELLO? Did anyone miss this?

Saxlad uses this day 1 quote as a reason to vote Herk. Shouldn't it be the opposite? It doesn't say anything about Herk not being third party but it certainly cancels the case on him being mafia.

strike wolf wrote:Apparently PR is post restriction. As far as the case is concerned I think I have a better idea now of what's going on. It has infornmation to do with herk's group though for now I won't pursue that side of it. The other part is I didn't find anything linking aage to blake other than aage did at one point FOS him. So at the very least I do not believe Aage is a part of the known mafia.

On the other hand clearing Aage for a FOS on a mafia is a bit different. I don't think a guy that is good enough as scum to vote his scumbuddy should be cleared because of a FOS, unless you want to lower the general mafiaskill level that much :P

Sensfan would be my third suspect after Aage and Jace as dunno if anyone noticed but he's ignoring any accusation about him and just comes back to make a random post, asking a question, or whatever goes through his mind. When people call him out he doesn't post, just waits till people switch their attention to someone else. Is it a tactic? Probably not. Is it scummy? Hell yes.

Here's a basic player list, feel free to edit it to add info but removing any quotes. There's a bunch of people that haven't been voting at all which at this point is a bit fishy, but mostly details some inactives that need replacement.
Day 2 vote pattern:

1. fircoal > votes aage
2. edocsil > votes jace, defends aage
3. victor sullivan > votes herk, annoyed, then votes violet
4. ga7 > votes aage
5. Theherkman > votes aage
6. pmchugh > inactive, no post
7. flow520
8. lalaland > inactive, no post
9. freezie > votes jace
10. violet > votes herk, perpetually irked
11. haggis_mcmutton
12. cena-rules > inactive, no post
13. TA1LGUNNER > no post?
14. Floresdelmal > votes jace then aage
15. commander
16. the saxlad > first votes herk then aage
17. sensfan < defended aage
18. karelpieterje > fosed the three main targets
19. stike wolf > started the jace case then votes aage then revotes jace then revotes aage
20. iliad > inactive, no post
21. nagerous > skimming, inactive
22. / > fosed aage, proposes naxus & sens
23. spiesr
24. jace > votes aage
25. stefunny > votes jace
26. naxus
27. thezzaruz
28. aage > voted herk
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Re: New Briarsburg Mafia. Day 2. replacements still needed

Postby strike wolf on Thu Nov 25, 2010 8:11 am

Didn't cena get replaced?
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Re: New Briarsburg Mafia. Day 2. replacements still needed

Postby Stefunny85 on Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:34 am

Maybe there wasn't a NK because the whole mafia is inactive :roll:
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Re: New Briarsburg Mafia. Day 2. replacements still needed

Postby theherkman on Thu Nov 25, 2010 11:36 am

Stefunny85 wrote:Maybe there wasn't a NK because the whole mafia is inactive :roll:


That would seriously be amazing... =D Maybe we are all townies just FOSing and voting each other! :lol: :roll: :roll:
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Re: New Briarsburg Mafia. Day 2. replacements still needed

Postby Commander9 on Thu Nov 25, 2010 11:48 am

VioIet wrote:I have no post that was a one-liner, it was a page full of quotes that I responded to. Or posted for reference/information.

Perhaps you are the one who needs to re-read my post again.

Fairly convenient for you to pop up and say "oh busy i will post later." So you were busy- I'm sure that was true. But to call someone who had contributed more than you up to that point an "inactive." WTH
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