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[naxus]

I believe he means that if Vio's alive that he has an ally for sure the whole game. Hence why itd be easier if shes alive

[Thezzaruz]

I never said we were siblings. We are sisters.

You do know that by being sisters you are by definition also siblings right? It is what the word means.

Of course it is possible that Mr S made you sisters fluffwise without giving you a siblings role just to screw with you (and us) and it is also possible that he made you siblings without any of the attributes that comes with that role but as I said before it doesn't make much sense. And that's why I (and a few more it seems) have a bit of a hard time to completely believe your claim.

I think a lynch on Violet would prove extremely useful. However their alignment is still in question. Also, I've never had an experience with a lynch-proof character. If she were to be voted on, would we learn her role? You know when the day-ending scene comes out and reveals the name and role of the character, would that apply to someone who didn't die?

If she really is lynch proof then reaching the 50%+ wouldn't achieve anything. No lynch means the day not ending, no scene happening and no info given.

Also I must echo ga7 and cast suspicion on Jace. Did he just stop posting or is he lurking?

That is a really good question tbh...

[edocsil]

Guys, what if attempting to lynch Violet ends the day? That would be bad. And by the way there are Siblings and siblings. One means something, the other is merely filler to explain a mason status. Hopefully they are not Siblings, as it renders their abilities nearly useless.

[Iliad]

Wow : interesting claim. However there's a few things that stand out to me.

Nice try, vioIet but I guess it's best if I spoke of both our roles.

We're scumbuddies.

No, seriously. We're sisters, town aligned, I'm bulletproof and Vi is unlynchable. We can talk at night.
I've been focussing on THM because I simply don't buy the "we're team rocket" claim (which was also unnecessary, which is imo another reason to distrust). This is what I've been saying all day though, so it doesn't really matter.
Fairly easy-to-test claims, so I suggest you go ahead if you don't believe me(/us)...

Also, THM, scum or not, please keep the "nonsense-post"count low... There's 2 posts of you on this page and none of them contains any information (not to mention the fact that they contain 1 sentence).

Firstly: aage claims to be sisters, but what he is describing are essentially masons with extra powers. He's trying to claim sisters but they lack most things that make siblings: ie one town one mafia and a suicide function. However the sisters part could just be flavour from Squirrel
Secondly: it's very multifaceted. That means it's very hard to prove or disprove completely.
Guys: lynching Vi will not proving that aage is town aligned.
Neither does proving one's innonence prove the others: someone could investigate vi at night, find out she's scum but aage could claim ignorance.
Thirdly: Aage as he quite clearly states went after herk because he didn't believe there was a group that powerful or roles could be that linked. However if he is part of a linked group himself, that I would describe as pretty tough to destroy, why would he find it that hard to believe?
Fourthly their actions do not strike me as action of a town aligned bulletproof and unlynchable duo.
Consider Vi:

It is a great idea!!
Honestly I wanted to vote for myself once the bandwagon on aage started, but i didn't want to take my vote of herkman.
It was very hard to sit here and watch the bandwagon grow on someone I knew was a townie for the second time in a row. So I've been trying some crazy antics Day 1 and Day 2 to stop the bandwagon, but have been unsuccessful.

Of course I don't really want a no lynch. But in my second ever mafia game- the Quentin Tarrantino- I made a joke about no lynch and wanting to go to night. I thought everyone would laugh. They axed me instead. I learned it was a great way to get yourself killed, and it was a last desperate attempt to save aage. I got a lot of people to go WTH vio, but sadly no votes. I probably should have tried something earlier.

Also, both me and aage voted for the herkman. Why the bandwagon on him and not on me? He is a better player, can contribute more to the town, and it would be a big mistake to vote for him. Me on the other hand- i could somewhat understand.

But yes aage's claim is true. I just didn't know what to say beforehand, because if I said I knew 100% that aage was town, people would ask how? But I didn't want to give too much info to the mafia. But aage was forced to claim, and everyone knows everything now.

So yes, lets test this out.

Unvote
(that's just temporary herk, still have my suspicions on you for that story.

Vote Violet


I also wanted people to vote me instead of Dazey

That seems like a very reasonable post that has has thoughtful discussion. However if you compare it to her others post before this: such as I will avenge you Dazey, there's a big discrepancy. Ie her previous behaviour was an act, and they do say lynch all liars. And if you think about it, why would an unlynchable person if he's town aligned try to get himself lynched. Not only would that waste a great deal's of town's time but it would also out herslef as an unlynchable and expose her to mafia, where she could've remained hidden and been more helpful to town.

Not adding up.
My three theories
a) They are connected and they do have the roles that they claim. However one of them is mafia, probably secretly to the other person. If the mafia is aage, that would explain why he was so reckless in his attack against herk: if it backfired like it did he could've simply had an unsuspecting townie confirm his claim. Fits in with aage being a pretty experienced player

b) They are both scum. They might be a third party duo, or perhaps indeed scum. Then they would be counting on either the town assuming that they were town because their powers check out by trying to lynch vi. Also if one of them was killed and revealed to be mafia the other one has a very powerful defence as being the unsuspecting town player. We have no idea if they are in fact town. Also consider this: if herk's group is as powerful as he claims, then surely the mafia should be also quite powerful in a 30 player game.

c) This theory of mine is my favourite and seems so delicious that I'm very devastated I didn't think of it first. Vi and aage are an insane sister's duo. What happens when someone claims unlynchable: the town will test it and perhaps that is exactly what they want. What if instead of being bulletproof and unlynchable, they win if either aage is killed at night or vi is lynched at day. Ie I think we might have a jester on our hands.
Sounds improbable: but if you look at their behaviour it does start to make sense
Aage: relatively quiet during day 1, not attracting town's attention. However when twilight starts he claims that he will go after herk. This action doesn't make too much sense, why would he publicly state his intentions like that, unless he was trying to threaten herk's group and therefore pressure them into killing him at night.
And then one of the reasons the bw on aage grew is the way he was posting as though he had a death wish. Which he might. I think the plan was to try and attack herk and get him lynched. If you remember aage just saw that there were town vigs and herk claimed that his group was responsible for the kill and had the vig. Therefore aage thought that if he got herk lynched then that vig would've surely killed him at night, which is what he wants.
However this backfired.

Now look at Vi's behaviour. And as I said her behaviour doesn't look like a town aligned unlynchable but does make more sense as a jester
During day she was not contributing that much but was noticeable. I think her day 1 plan was trying to get herself connected to scum, which is what she tried to do through her over the top defence of daze. If daze did turn out to be mafia, you would be damn well sure we'd be lynching vi today. However this also backfired. She kept on trying to get attention to herself through her I will avenge you dazey posts. However once the pressure started building on aage her behaviour becomes much more interesting. I'm guessing if vi's night killed or if aage is lynched they both lose. Which would explain her posting that we should get to night already and have a no lynch, and in large size as well; nice touch vi. As I outlined previously if she was a town aligned unlynchable why would she trying and waste town's time through a bw on herself and outing herself as unlynchable when she could've just claimed or waited for aage to claim. Unless she's a jester or she loses if aage is lynched and was therefore desperate.
She publicly admits that it was an attempt to get herself lynched, which unlynchable people don't do, and she starts the bw on herself. You can see the big difference in the posts beforehand and her backing up aage's claim, which to me proves that she was acting inane on purpose. And to me her and aage's actions make much more sense as these theories. Remember if they are a team who needs to win through etiher one's death, and they are relying on each other for survival that would explain how impatient and rash they have been acting.
I gotta say: if this is true, well done.

[Victor Sullivan]

Oh my... I vote for VioIet, everyone just ignores me, now everyone is voting for VioIet, WTF?!??!?!?!?! (Yeah, yeah, aage's claim blah blah blah...) Haggis proposes some interesting points, but I honestly don't think any of them are true. You, Haggis, are relying on the fact that their actions/posts were immaculate, if that makes sense. I find it hard to believe Vio wouldn't screw up (no offense). unvote vote VioIet Let's test her claim, I mean, why not? (Shut up Haggis! I know what you're thinking!)

-Sully

[theherkman]

Why are you all voting Vio? This is stupid. All you will find out is that she is unlynchable. What if they are both mafia? One unlynchable and one bulletproof? You won't find her alignment by voting her. This is a waste of time. If one of them is town and the other mafia, my bet would be on Aage for scum. Hands down. He tried to lynch me after I claimed a power role. That seems scummy. But Vio did the same thing... Perhaps they are both scum, but I don't think either of them are town.

[edocsil]

Why are you all voting Vio? This is stupid. All you will find out is that she is unlynchable. What if they are both mafia? One unlynchable and one bulletproof? You won't find her alignment by voting her. This is a waste of time. If one of them is town and the other mafia, my bet would be on Aage for scum. Hands down. He tried to lynch me after I claimed a power role. That seems scummy. But Vio did the same thing... Perhaps they are both scum, but I don't think either of them are town.

Shut up before you convince everyone to lynch you, aage's role isn't air tight but it is a fairly solid claim.

If aage was scum he wouldn't have implicated Violet, it is possible that they are some sort of 3rd party or something not allied with the town, but it is not likely. The scum will likely try to kill violet tonight in an attempt to kill that both with a sibling mechanism, so there is a chance we will know by morning anyways.


f*ck it I am pissed, your on my shit list.

I still can't find this claim of yours. I have asked multiple times about it, but no one seems to be able to quote it. I have gone back several times to try to find this role claim, mind pointing it out for me? Cause this ain't a fucking claim.

I know who two townies are, I know their roles, I can communicate with them during the night. No, not masons, before you get that idea stuck in your head. We are all pro-town. I was planning on using the role name like "John Doe" and comparing it to other information I have about a doc. Such as if she said doc's name is "John Smith" I could call her out.

And I am not over reacting. I claimed to have something to do with a doc and blake put a vote on me. That is very scummy. Not over reacting even a little bit.

You say you are part of a mason group, 3 to be exact. No roles at all. I might believe you if I you spilled what your roles were (hence ROLEclaim) I could see there only being 3 scum in some little cell of yours, but I don't really think that to be the case, I think you are likely 3rd party and not necessarily allied with the town. I don't think you are scum, I am not pushing for your lynch, but damn am I pissed when everyone thinks you have claimed and your some sort of fucking saint.

Done venting.

My vote has been on sax for some time now, since before this whole aage v herk mess. He pops up when needed to cover his own ass and doesn't say anything helpful or new. I suggest looking at him if we decide to look for a productive lynch.

[theherkman]

Well, if you look I remember saying that I DIDN'T tell everything. Just what was needed to keep me alive and ask for more info from Daze. I'm absolutely not going to spell out everyone's roles and actions. That's just stupid. I haven't even spelled out mine. But MOST players recognize what this is. That is why I wasn't voted. Nobody wants me to spell it out, because the less the mafia knows, the better. If you look back to when I was talking about my group, several players said, "Don't say anything more." I'm not talking specifics here. Just let it be enough that good things are happening and bad things are being prevented right now. When people start getting nosey about who is in my group and what they can do, the mafia will begin taking out members one by one. I, for one, don't want that to happen. Do you?

[edocsil]

Well, if you look I remember saying that I DIDN'T tell everything. Just what was needed to keep me alive and ask for more info from Daze. I'm absolutely not going to spell out everyone's roles and actions. That's just stupid. I haven't even spelled out mine. But MOST players recognize what this is. That is why I wasn't voted. Nobody wants me to spell it out, because the less the mafia knows, the better. If you look back to when I was talking about my group, several players said, "Don't say anything more." I'm not talking specifics here. Just let it be enough that good things are happening and bad things are being prevented right now. When people start getting nosey about who is in my group and what they can do, the mafia will begin taking out members one by one. I, for one, don't want that to happen. Do you?

You're already a target the only ones who aren't are are your un named allies. If you read at all you would realize I wasn't looking for a claim, there is no point currently.

[Commander9]

You're already a target the only ones who aren't are are your un named allies. If you read at all you would realize I wasn't looking for a claim, there is no point currently.

No, not really dude. You actually did ask him to claim and you said that only then you'd believe him...

Not saying that I believe or trust herk and I'd definitely would like to know more about him, but I also would like to see few things to happen first, though.

[strike wolf]

No claim needed and laying out your abilities at this point would be a bad thing but it would help to understand to know the name of your group. I don't see harm in just giving out the name.

[edocsil]

You're already a target the only ones who aren't are are your un named allies. If you read at all you would realize I wasn't looking for a claim, there is no point currently.

No, not really dude. You actually did ask him to claim and you said that only then you'd believe him...

Not saying that I believe or trust herk and I'd definitely would like to know more about him, but I also would like to see few things to happen first, though.

Good call, I was looking for his old claim, not anything new. No point. Hope that stays clear now.

[VioIet]

Consider Vi:
That seems like a very reasonable post that has has thoughtful discussion. However if you compare it to her others post before this: such as I will avenge you Dazey, there's a big discrepancy. Ie her previous behaviour was an act, and they do say lynch all liars. And if you think about it, why would an unlynchable person if he's town aligned try to get himself lynched. Not only would that waste a great deal's of town's time but it would also out herslef as an unlynchable and expose her to mafia, where she could've remained hidden and been more helpful to town.

Not adding up.
Now look at Vi's behaviour. And as I said her behaviour doesn't look like a town aligned unlynchable but does make more sense as a jester
During day she was not contributing that much but was noticeable. I think her day 1 plan was trying to get herself connected to scum, which is what she tried to do through her over the top defence of daze. If daze did turn out to be mafia, you would be damn well sure we'd be lynching vi today. However this also backfired. She kept on trying to get attention to herself through her I will avenge you dazey posts. However once the pressure started building on aage her behaviour becomes much more interesting. I'm guessing if vi's night killed or if aage is lynched they both lose. Which would explain her posting that we should get to night already and have a no lynch, and in large size as well; nice touch vi. As I outlined previously if she was a town aligned unlynchable why would she trying and waste town's time through a bw on herself and outing herself as unlynchable when she could've just claimed or waited for aage to claim. Unless she's a jester or she loses if aage is lynched and was therefore desperate.
She publicly admits that it was an attempt to get herself lynched, which unlynchable people don't do, and she starts the bw on herself. You can see the big difference in the posts beforehand and her backing up aage's claim, which to me proves that she was acting inane on purpose. And to me her and aage's actions make much more sense as these theories. Remember if they are a team who needs to win through etiher one's death, and they are relying on each other for survival that would explain how impatient and rash they have been acting.
I gotta say: if this is true, well done.

Why, thank you.

Yes me and aage are both town aligned. We win the game when all threats to the town have been eliminated. I agree that our role is more like a mason role than a traditional sibling role. But it was squirrels choice, and our role says that we are sisters and town aligned.

I did not exactly say that I was trying to get myself lynched. I stated that I would have preferred to be lynched than another townie. I knew if Aage was lynched, we would be minus two townies now. If I had been lynched, it would have prevented the death of two townies.

So of course, I don't want myself to be lynched. But if you think of a best-worst case scenario; it's better for me to be lynched than another townie.

Also I am not attempting to waste the town's time. I actually did think that if i received enough votes for a lynch that we would go to night. And that it would give people a chance to investigate and try to get leads. I don't know for sure- but am somewhat curious what would happen if I was lynched. However I also admit it is a wasted vote if we are trying to find scum, but a useful vote to test out the theory and prevent the death of another townie. So I suggest if you want to test out the theory and see what will happen, keep the vote on me. If you want to go with another player that you think is scummy, vote them.

Day 1 yes i was actively trying to save Dazey. I don't know how this made me seem scummy. It was my second game with her, and she was completely different in this one than the last one- and I was pretty sure that she was town. I wanted to save a townie- and of course the fact that we are good friends outside of the game, plus all the real life issues definitely added some vigor to my posts.

I did not want anyone to know I was unlynchable, especially mafia. Aage was forced to claim, so it came out. I was trying to get a bandwagon on myself going before aage was forced to claim, because I didn't want too much information about our roles to come out.

I do suppose that it gave me a feeling of boldness. I could be a bit more “crazy” then usual.
If you know that you can't be lynched, you feel a bit more "protected" i guess. However at the same time, I did not want anyone besides aage to know. And I figured it could be a very useful ability, if i use it correctly.

[strike wolf]

I stated that I would have preferred to be lynched than another townie. I knew if Aage was lynched, we would be minus two townies now. If I had been lynched, it would have prevented the death of two townies.

So killing one of you, does kill both of you?

[theherkman]

No claim needed and laying out your abilities at this point would be a bad thing but it would help to understand to know the name of your group. I don't see harm in just giving out the name.

Sorry, Strike. I don't think you mean anything scummy by this, but our name gives away everything. I can't do it.

I stated that I would have preferred to be lynched than another townie. I knew if Aage was lynched, we would be minus two townies now. If I had been lynched, it would have prevented the death of two townies.

So killing one of you, does kill both of you?

The two townies she is talking about are Aage & Daze.

[Commander9]

Sorry, Strike. I don't think you mean anything scummy by this, but our name gives away everything. I can't do it.

Wait, wait, wait... what? I'm sorry, but this doesn't make any sense - how can you giving away a name of the group give away its members, roles, etc.

[edocsil]

Sorry, Strike. I don't think you mean anything scummy by this, but our name gives away everything. I can't do it.

Wait, wait, wait... what? I'm sorry, but this doesn't make any sense - how can you giving away a name of the group give away its members, roles, etc.

I imagine that he is bluffing, it really couldn't. Have to love how he implies your scum too.

[Commander9]

I imagine that he is bluffing, it really couldn't. Have to love how he implies your scum too.

That's kind of have been my buff with him from the start - I've seen him make sense and use proper, coherent language elsewhere, but in here, he constantly is using all kinds of incoherent mumblings and accusations against any one as soon as he says something about him. I'm not saying he's a scum, but boy has he been extremely suspicious the whole game.

As for the last one, I mean, sure, a name could give away his role: say, his group name could be "The Plumbers" and that means he'd also been a plumber, but do we know what plumbers can do? Can they get info someone's house through sewers and then investigate and kill that person off?

[aage]

Maybe it's the "doc vig cop group"? Or it actually is "team rocket"? Or he's just, like, lying like there's no tomorrow? Doing things like there's no tomorrow is his brand anyway...

Anyway, VioIet, you're really doing a bad job of explaining yourself there

ok aage now I'm confused exactly what is your role?

Go back to my original claim. I'm VioIet's sister. We're town aligned. I'm bulletproof and Vi's unlynchable.

I think you guys are keeping too strictly to the "laws" of siblings. We're not siblings, it's just that our "story role" implies we are. Doesn't mean one dies when the other dies tho.

I believe he means that if Vio's alive that he has an ally for sure the whole game. Hence why itd be easier if shes alive

Yup.

You do know that by being sisters you are by definition also siblings right? It is what the word means.

Not in your book apparently. See above. I think you're misinterpreting my claim.

Guys: lynching Vi will not proving that aage is town aligned.

True enough, but it will prove I am honest about our roles. (Although I still haven't proven I'm bulletproof... maybe THM's nameless supergroup can get to that tonight.) I guess you'll just have to wait for a cop to come by.

Aage as he quite clearly states went after herk because he didn't believe there was a group that powerful or roles could be that linked. However if he is part of a linked group himself, that I would describe as pretty tough to destroy, why would he find it that hard to believe?

Hard to destroy is one thing. Making the cop, the vig and the doc (and we "know" the last two are in THM's group since he claimed the death on Blake and he claimed to have been protected by "his doc" last night) all mason up at the start of the game already is something completely different. It's simply too strong.

[aage]

As for the last one, I mean, sure, a name could give away his role: say, his group name could be "The Plumbers" and that means he'd also been a plumber, but do we know what plumbers can do? Can they get info someone's house through sewers and then investigate and kill that person off?

That might be true. In that case maybe he's just ashamed of his group name. Or his group name says "Third Party Hell's Angels" or something. Or he's still lying like there's no tomorrow.

[Commander9]

By the way, I will apologize for my earlier outburst - apparently the Chief Executive of Plumbing Inc. did not appreciate that message. I just wanted reinstate that Plumbing Inc. is by no ways associated with Herk (the herk; herk the man; herkie; theherkman; etc.) and that any further comments about may end up in course.

[theherkman]

No, the group name basically says what our powers are. It's stupid. We are part of the town though. And you are assuming we have a vig in our group. We don't. There are other ways to NK. Think on this and when you realize what our group is, shut the hell up and stop asking questions about it.

[aage]

No, the group name basically says what our powers are. It's stupid. We are part of the town though. And you are assuming we have a vig in our group. We don't. There are other ways to NK. Think on this and when you realize what our group is, shut the hell up and stop asking questions about it.

Stop asking questions about it? LMAO. So all we need to do is just trust you blindly as we've already done and see where that brings us? We don't even know who we're dealing with in the first place. If you want to earn my trust, you'll have to come up with more than that, as I've repeatedly said.

[theherkman]

What would you like me to do to prove it to you?

[aage]

What would you like me to do to prove it to you?

Go read some posts. What's your group name, what's your purpose, what's your role? Or at the very least, stop pretending to be the archangel of Town.