Perception of Top 10 Clans [Annually + Longevity]

[Blitzaholic]

[If every clan now pm´s their friends from other clans and make their own lists, what should be the benefit of all this? .

lol, you do not even know who I pm'd. Most of them were clan leaders, again, I do not even know all the clans leaders, I just know about 20 clans fairly well, and asked if any others were willing to send me a pm and lindax has been attached to all with final votes. I would hardly say half of them are my friends, I do not even know some of them, in fact, some may dislike me, but, I know of their name and respect their opinions of some clan activity or knowledge.

Geeze, I feel like my name makes it into every post, I feel famous!

But in all seriousness, glad to see people support the work for the Power Rankings, I will just keep on chugging away at it.

thx chuuuuck

You are famous Chuuuuck.

We could all just use chuuuuck's poll I guess, it is very respected and I like it myself. I also wanted to make one for the perception of top 10 from mostly 12 to 15 different clan leaders, and a few clan members who may not be leaders but have some knowledge of clan activity, all from different clans and they all could collaborate on them. I just wanted to see how close this one would be compared with chuuuuck's. Where mine is from about 15 clans and his is from 39 to 40 clans. Just was interested was all.

I repsect and hope chuuuuck continues to keep track of all this that he does, it was and is a great idea. I guess the only issue I have is: it is hard for me to sometimes rank all 39 or 40 clans and to get every single clan involved, if chuuuuck can do that great. I was hoping maybe that by me doing this, it may create for year 2011 for the top 20 clans to power rank the top 20? Where I was thinking 10 and chuuuuck has about 40, maybe meet in the middle? Don't get me wrong, I like what chuuuuck has done, it was an awesome idea, it is just challenging to sometimes rank clan 29? and clan 33? and clan 38? That is all. So was thinking maybe the top 20 to 25 clans could power rank them next year? I don't know. Was just a thought. Although, on the other hand, every clan should have a say.

[Chuuuuck]

Geeze, I feel like my name makes it into every post, I feel famous!

But in all seriousness, glad to see people support the work for the Power Rankings, I will just keep on chugging away at it.

thx chuuuuck

We could all just use chuuuuck's poll I guess, it is very respected and I like it myself. I also wanted to make one for the perception of top 10 from mostly 12 to 15 different clan leaders, and a few clan members who may not be leaders but have some knowledge of clan activity, all from different clans and they all could collaborate on them. I just wanted to see how close this one would be compared with chuuuuck's. Where mine is from about 15 clans and his is from 39 to 40 clans. Just was interested was all.

I repsect and hope chuuuuck continues to keep track of all this that he does, it was and is a great idea. I guess the only issue I have is: it is hard for me to sometimes rank all 39 or 40 clans and to get every single clan involved, if chuuuuck can do that great. I was hoping maybe that by me doing this, it may create for year 2011 for the top 20 clans to power rank the top 20? Where I was thinking 10 and chuuuuck has about 40, maybe meet in the middle? Don't get me wrong, I like what chuuuuck has done, it was an awesome idea, it is just challenging to sometimes rank clan 29? and clan 33? and clan 38? That is all. So was thinking maybe the top 20 to 25 clans could power rank them next year? I don't know. Was just a thought. Although, on the other hand, every clan should have a say.

I agree with you that most are only concerned with the top 20 or 25 and it is also very hard to rank below that, but I will continue to rank them all and just ask everyone does their best because I think it is the right way to do it. I think it will greatly help keep clans together and allow clans at the bottom set obtainable goals in 6 month intervals. They can hope to take on someone who is perceived to be better than them and win and they can try to see themselves over time move up in the rankings.

As far as ranking them goes, I understand it can be difficult, but I always list the standard deviation and the bottom of the list always has the highest standard deviation, meaning there is a lot of variance down there and you stressing over it isn't that big of a deal, just do your best but don't worry too much.

[Rodion]

1 - Will your list, Blitz, be a pure mathematical result of the top 10 lists that are sent to you?
2 - In that case, can you explain the formula you'll use beforehand?
3 - What will you do if a particular list differs considerably from the "common sense", up to the point that you feel it was not written in good faith? Assume, for this purpose, that every clan puts "clan X" around a certain position (let's say between 1st and 3rd), with 1 exception, that being "clan Y", which had a recent argument with "clan X" and placed "clan X" in 10th (or didn't rank "clan X" in the top 10 at all).

[Seulessliathan]

[If every clan now pm´s their friends from other clans and make their own lists, what should be the benefit of all this? .

lol, you do not even know who I pm'd. Most of them were clan leaders, again, I do not even know all the clans leaders, I just know about 20 clans fairly well, and asked if any others were willing to send me a pm and lindax has been attached to all with final votes. I would hardly say half of them are my friends, I do not even know some of them, in fact, some may dislike me, but, I know of their name and respect their opinions of some clan activity or knowledge.

i don´t care who you pm´d, as long as you just pick the people and don´t even make the list public, i don´t see the sense of this. We all respect the job which is Chuuuk doing, but i don´t see why people should trust your system. You can have your own system, that´s fine, but don´t try to mix it with the other rankings to create a new ranking. As long as you call it Blitz´s ranking, everything is fine. But when you try to give your list the same importance as Chuuuck´s list, i strongly suggest you work out a system with more people and don´t simply do what you like. PM the people, make your list, but don´t try to call it a public opinion as long as you are the only one who makes the rules.

[Bruceswar]

I am one of the people picked. I will be sending my list in soon.

[Blitzaholic]

[If every clan now pm´s their friends from other clans and make their own lists, what should be the benefit of all this? .

lol, you do not even know who I pm'd. Most of them were clan leaders, again, I do not even know all the clans leaders, I just know about 20 clans fairly well, and asked if any others were willing to send me a pm and lindax has been attached to all with final votes. I would hardly say half of them are my friends, I do not even know some of them, in fact, some may dislike me, but, I know of their name and respect their opinions of some clan activity or knowledge.

i don´t care who you pm´d, as long as you just pick the people and don´t even make the list public, i don´t see the sense of this. We all respect the job which is Chuuuk doing, but i don´t see why people should trust your system and don´t try to call it a public opinion as long as you are the only one who makes the rules.

as far as making the names public, i said I would earlier in dako's post, you need to read seul. you are jumping to paranoid conclusions in which you have no clue of. I repsect chuuuuck's job too, I stressed that, and he knows that. I am not the one making the rules seul, it is one of your own CLAN members who is, he came up with the idea on how to score it and he came up with the spreadsheet, not me. Your clan member is overseeing EVERYTHING. Just do not assume things seul, you making yourself look bad.

1 - Will your list, Blitz, be a pure mathematical result of the top 10 lists that are sent to you?
2 - In that case, can you explain the formula you'll use beforehand?
3 - What will you do if a particular list differs considerably from the "common sense", up to the point that you feel it was not written in good faith? Assume, for this purpose, that every clan puts "clan X" around a certain position (let's say between 1st and 3rd), with 1 exception, that being "clan Y", which had a recent argument with "clan X" and placed "clan X" in 10th (or didn't rank "clan X" in the top 10 at all).

I was trying to get about 15 to 20 different clans, mostly leaders instead of all 40 clans, and having them rank their perception of the top 10 clans was all and just seeing how close it comes to with what chuuuuck power rankings are, it is just interesting. From all the votes so far, all are pretty darn accurate and close to what many others have, there was only one that I thought was way off the mark and I am consulting with Lindax about this. As far as scoring, lindax came up with the idea, any clan that is voted #1 gets a value of 10, and any clan voted #10 gets a value of 1. I thought it was a good idea. I just want to see how close in comparison it would be with chuuuuck power rankings, my guess is it will be about the same, I was just curious, I think others are as well.

[trapyoung]

I was picked too, and Rodion, I did not put KoRT 10.

[chemefreak]

I am one of the people picked. Sent my list in a few days ago.

I think this is an interesting exercise and it should be fun to see the difference between this list and the power rankings. It is not like it is hurting anyone. Everyone just needs to chill regarding this list stuff!

Oh, almost forgot...Chuuuuck.

Here is my list:

1. Legion
2. Legion
3. Legion
4. Legion
5. Legion
6. trapyoung
7. Legion
8. Legion
9. Legion
10. Legion

[Blitzaholic]

I was picked too, and Rodion, I did not put KoRT 10.

[Blitzaholic]

I am one of the people picked. Sent my list in a few days ago.

I think this is an interesting exercise and it should be fun to see the difference between this list and the power rankings. It is not like it is hurting anyone. Everyone just needs to chill regarding this list stuff!

Oh, almost forgot...Chuuuuck.

Here is my list:

1. Legion
2. Legion
3. Legion
4. Legion
5. Legion
6. trapyoung
7. Legion
8. Legion
9. Legion
10. Legion

lmaofff

[trapyoung]

Score, I've got at least 5 points

[TheBro]

I am one of the people picked. Sent my list in a few days ago.

I think this is an interesting exercise and it should be fun to see the difference between this list and the power rankings. It is not like it is hurting anyone. Everyone just needs to chill regarding this list stuff!

Oh, almost forgot...Chuuuuck.

Here is my list:

1. Legion
2. Legion
3. Legion
4. Legion
5. Legion
6. trapyoung
7. Legion
8. Legion
9. Legion
10. Legion

I always thought Trap was at least top 3, a little disappointing to see him go so low. But it is merely perception of just this year so maybe next year he can reach his true potential.

[Seulessliathan]

as far as making the names public, i said I would earlier in dako's post, you need to read seul. you are jumping to paranoid conclusions in which you have no clue of. I repsect chuuuuck's job too, I stressed that, and he knows that. I am not the one making the rules seul, it is one of your own CLAN members who is, he came up with the idea on how to score it and he came up with the spreadsheet, not me. Your clan member is overseeing EVERYTHING. Just do not assume things seul, you making yourself look bad.

as soon as one of my clan pm´s make and declares that he made the rules and that he is overseeing all this, than it´s fine.
i don´t believe i make myself looking bad when i vote for systems which aren´t invented by only one player. If that´s not the case, ... fine. If the rules are made by you and you are the only one who has a view on all aspects, i strongly suggest this isn´t named public. I think it´s never wrong to speak up for democratic systems, and in case this is such a system, then you have nothing to worry about.

btw, i have seen that you replied on Dako´s request, but that is just a proof for me that YOU chose ALL of the people who get your pm and are allowed to vote. Do you consider it a democratic system when you chose 20 people who are allowed to vote for the next president of your country, if you make the names of the voters public after the vote? doesn´t sound correct to me .....

[Blitzaholic]

as far as making the names public, i said I would earlier in dako's post, you need to read seul. you are jumping to paranoid conclusions in which you have no clue of. I repsect chuuuuck's job too, I stressed that, and he knows that. I am not the one making the rules seul, it is one of your own CLAN members who is, he came up with the idea on how to score it and he came up with the spreadsheet, not me. Your clan member is overseeing EVERYTHING. Just do not assume things seul, you making yourself look bad.

as soon as one of my clan pm´s make and declares that he made the rules and that he is overseeing all this, than it´s fine.
i don´t believe i make myself looking bad when i vote for systems which aren´t invented by only one player. If that´s not the case, ... fine. If the rules are made by you and you are the only one who has a view on all aspects, i strongly suggest this isn´t named public. I think it´s never wrong to speak up for democratic systems, and in case this is such a system, then you have nothing to worry about.

btw, i have seen that you replied on Dako´s request, but that is just a proof for me that YOU chose ALL of the people who get your pm and are allowed to vote. Do you consider it a democratic system when you chose 20 people who are allowed to vote for the next president of your country, if you make the names of the voters public after the vote? doesn´t sound correct to me .....

I attached many of the names earlier in the process to all others in pm's, it since then has expanded, I do not think the players involved that voted mind at all of their names poste,d many of them have posted in here and owned it. again, if you read through this thread, you would know Lindax and myself are managing this, i came up with the idea, he came up with the rule how to score it and added a spreadsheet, he has agreed and been in the loop the whole time. I will find the names of all I pm'd here soon, tracking thru to find em all.

[Blitzaholic]

p.s.

some read this thread and pm'd me saying they were interested, I said sure. I dont care who sends them, as long as it is their honest opinion.

[Blitzaholic]

Score, I've got at least 5 points

I agree with thebro, should be top 3

pm's were sent to and some read this thread and pm'd me with interest are:

grim reaper, marval, peanutsdad, ljex, bruceswar, hiddendragon, bones2484 and barterer2002, rbelgrod, danryan, chemefreak, leehar, reptile, trapyoung, jpcloet, bogangod, mticeman41,thetruenorth, foxglove, lubawski, lindax, shaneback, hwhrhett. others are welcome too.

not all have responded back either, most have.

[Lindax]

I don't see what the big deal is here guys. Blitz sent out a PM to an x amount of clan members of an x amount of clans asking their perception of the Top 10 clans for 2010.

Anybody can do the same and publish the results.

Obviously there is nothing scientific about it and it's as subjective as it can get. Everybody that sees the results will give it whatever value they see fit.

He asked me to verify the votes, so everybody knows he didn't "bend" the results however he wants them, and I agreed.

That's all there is to it.

Lx

[chemefreak]

I don't see what the big deal is here guys. Blitz sent out a PM to an x amount of clan members of an x amount of clans asking their perception of the Top 10 clans for 2010.

Anybody can do the same and publish the results.

Obviously there is nothing scientific about it and it's as subjective as it can get. Everybody that sees the results will give it whatever value they see fit.

He asked me to verify the votes, so everybody knows he didn't "bend" the results however he wants them, and I agreed.

That's all there is to it.

Lx

As always, the voice of reason!

[Qwert]

i dont understand why people so stresfull abouth Blits thread ? These is not official list,and its normal that Blits want to present hes clan to be best, what you see wrong in that? If you want to se official list,then these is wrong place to look.
These topic its funny , with many blits inventions to present new scoring system ,and new way of voting . If he think that 20-30 people its enough to get clan picture , then we need to take these like new inovative formula to get who its best clan in CC.
If someon think its wrong,then he can try to create hes own formula , for calculating scores,and if we get 7-8 systems ,maybe we can merge all together to get best result.
Now these can be good sugestion in SUgs forum .

[Blitzaholic]

as soon as one of my clan pm´s make and declares that he made the rules and that he is overseeing all this, than it´s fine. i don´t believe i make myself looking bad.

I do

I don't see what the big deal is here guys. Blitz sent out a PM to an x amount of clan members of an x amount of clans asking their perception of the Top 10 clans for 2010.

Anybody can do the same and publish the results.

Obviously there is nothing scientific about it and it's as subjective as it can get. Everybody that sees the results will give it whatever value they see fit.

He asked me to verify the votes, so everybody knows he didn't "bend" the results however he wants them, and I agreed.

That's all there is to it.

Lx

As always, the voice of reason!

lol, again, I am going to use chuuuuck's power rankings as I respect that, I always have, it is awesome idea, I just wanted to see how close the top 10 clans of perceptions was alligned to his, my guess, it will be pretty much the same. Lindax is a man of honesty and integrity that all respect, so he was the best in my view to oversee all this, and if all goes well, it may be merged with chuuuuck's for the perception thread. Again, chuuuuck's is awesome, just curious to see how close they are. Thx Lx.

[chemefreak]

lol, again, I am going to use chuuuuck's power rankings as I respect that, I always have, it is awesome idea, I just wanted to see how close the top 10 clans of perceptions was alligned to his, my guess, it will be pretty much the same.

I will tell you this, Chuuuuuck's rankings are so much harder because you cannot rank your own clan. It is such a measuring stick (when you haven't been sitting at the top forever ) to see the clans that you beat or the ones that beat you or the ones that put up a hell of a fight against a clan you beat, etc., and then rank them compared to where you feel your clan is at. I tried doing it with my clan in it, but it just didn't feel right. So I deleted us right off the bat and ranked everyone from there. I went through the active and completed challenges to rank the ones that I really didn't know too much about. It was a pretty fun little exercise.

[Rodion]

I was picked too, and Rodion, I did not put KoRT 10.

Good!



Now we know half of a line out of 45 is unbiased. Just need to make sure about the other 44.5!

[Blitzaholic]

lol, again, I am going to use chuuuuck's power rankings as I respect that, I always have, it is awesome idea, I just wanted to see how close the top 10 clans of perceptions was alligned to his, my guess, it will be pretty much the same.

I will tell you this, Chuuuuuck's rankings are so much harder because you cannot rank your own clan. It is such a measuring stick (when you haven't been sitting at the top forever ) to see the clans that you beat or the ones that beat you or the ones that put up a hell of a fight against a clan you beat, etc., and then rank them compared to where you feel your clan is at. I tried doing it with my clan in it, but it just didn't feel right. So I deleted us right off the bat and ranked everyone from there. I went through the active and completed challenges to rank the ones that I really didn't know too much about. It was a pretty fun little exercise.

good point cheme


it is a pretty fun little exercise

[Seulessliathan]

as soon as one of my clan pm´s make and declares that he made the rules and that he is overseeing all this, than it´s fine. i don´t believe i make myself looking bad.

I do

i didn´t know this is flame wars Blitz .....

[Blitzaholic]

as soon as one of my clan pm´s make and declares that he made the rules and that he is overseeing all this, than it´s fine. i don´t believe i make myself looking bad.

I do

i didn´t know this is flame wars Blitz .....

you started it, so I ended it.

next time pm me instead of embarrasing yourself public and making false accusations.

thx

peace

and big thanks to Lindax for speaking up. way to go amigo