BREAKING NEWS: ARIZONA CONGRESS WOMAN SHOT IN HEAD!

[Phatscotty]

If there were no guns, I guarantee you everyone would be carrying swords and taking sword lessons. Wait, what did humanity do before guns?

Over here in England, we did in fact go through the 'sword phase'
Now days we have teenagers carry knives stabbing each other, whilst the rest of us just go about our normal business with no knives, no swords, no guns and we don't feel unsafe.
From time to time like in dunblane a guy with a gun goes berserk and kills 15. or some prick blows up a tube train and kills 20 odd people. Your just as likely to be killed in a rail crash than be killed by a gun. It doesn't stop me getting on a train.

better to have a knife and not need it than to need a knife and not have one.

[Pedronicus]

If there were no guns, I guarantee you everyone would be carrying swords and taking sword lessons. Wait, what did humanity do before guns?

Over here in England, we did in fact go through the 'sword phase'
Now days we have teenagers carry knives stabbing each other, whilst the rest of us just go about our normal business with no knives, no swords, no guns and we don't feel unsafe.
From time to time like in dunblane a guy with a gun goes berserk and kills 15. or some prick blows up a tube train and kills 20 odd people. Your just as likely to be killed in a rail crash than be killed by a gun. It doesn't stop me getting on a train.

better to have a knife and not need it than to need a knife and not have one.

bullshit.
hand over your stuff and no one gets killed.

[Phatscotty]

If there were no guns, I guarantee you everyone would be carrying swords and taking sword lessons. Wait, what did humanity do before guns?

Over here in England, we did in fact go through the 'sword phase'
Now days we have teenagers carry knives stabbing each other, whilst the rest of us just go about our normal business with no knives, no swords, no guns and we don't feel unsafe.
From time to time like in dunblane a guy with a gun goes berserk and kills 15. or some prick blows up a tube train and kills 20 odd people. Your just as likely to be killed in a rail crash than be killed by a gun. It doesn't stop me getting on a train.

better to have a knife and not need it than to need a knife and not have one.

bullshit.
hand over your stuff and no one gets killed.

If my stuff can be taken so easily, then why would I waste the trip to get replacement "stuff"? How does that work exactly? What about if I have other persons "stuff" on me, or my work "stuff"? oh, and my great grandfathers watch, do I just replace that too?

[Pedronicus]

If there were no guns, I guarantee you everyone would be carrying swords and taking sword lessons. Wait, what did humanity do before guns?

Over here in England, we did in fact go through the 'sword phase'
Now days we have teenagers carry knives stabbing each other, whilst the rest of us just go about our normal business with no knives, no swords, no guns and we don't feel unsafe.
From time to time like in dunblane a guy with a gun goes berserk and kills 15. or some prick blows up a tube train and kills 20 odd people. Your just as likely to be killed in a rail crash than be killed by a gun. It doesn't stop me getting on a train.

better to have a knife and not need it than to need a knife and not have one.

bullshit.
hand over your stuff and no one gets killed.

If my stuff can be taken so easily, then why would I waste the trip to get replacement "stuff"? How does that work exactly? What about if I have other persons "stuff" on me, or my work "stuff"? oh, and my great grandfathers watch, do I just replace that too?

I'm 42 years old Living in London all my life. you don't go out looking like some pimp waving around wads of cash with bling dripping off you because..
a) you're asking to be robbed
b) you look obnoxious

Never in my life have I seen someone pull a knife on me. It's all about being sensible in the first place.

[Phatscotty]

so, nobody will ever rob you?

A very old saying comes to mind...

"A Liberal is a Conservative that hasn't been robbed yet."

[saxitoxin]

Bro, did you get ass-raped by a dude dressed in an Uncle Sam suit or something? The only threads you post in are those where you can screech like a hysterical banshee about how your anal tissue got torn-up by the U.S.

[saxitoxin]

Bros, the fact is Australia is a sick and culturally corrupt society that needed to be disarmed to avoid collapsing. Now, WikiLeaks has shown that, not only were they disarmed, they were transformed into a puppet state with cabinet ministers dutifully slinking for duty at the US embassy; paid CIA informants gathering information and taking orders about who to unseat as PM and who to install at the pleasure of the dullard U.S. president du jour.

Australia is the most violent developed country in the world. A collapsing, depraved society, held together only by the puppet government that rules their client state. Over the course of one year your chance of being a victim of "contact crime" is 4.1% in Australia. In the U.S. it is 1.9%. In the UK sans Scotland 3.6%. In Japan 0.4%.

http://www.civitas.org.uk/pubs/internatCrime.php

In any country murder is a statistically rare crime. If 1 out of 1,000,000 people in Mexico have Tourette's and 3 out of 1,000,000 in France have Tourette's, is France overwhelmed with Tourette's? They have 300% the number as Mexico. Australia has a murder rate of 1.2 per 100,000; the U.S. has a murder rate of 5.0 per 100,000, Brazil 26 per 100,000, Russia 15 per 100,0000, Costa Rica 15 per 100,000. In none of those countries are you "likely" to be murdered. It is an aberration and rarity.

Contact crime - the total figures for the statistically common crimes of assault and rape and those of kidnapping and murder, combined, should indicate "safe societies."

[saxitoxin]

Bros, the fact is Australia is a sick and culturally corrupt society that needed to be disarmed to avoid collapsing. Now, WikiLeaks has shown that, not only were they disarmed, they were transformed into a puppet state with cabinet ministers dutifully slinking for duty at the US embassy; paid CIA informants gathering information and taking orders about who to unseat as PM and who to install at the pleasure of the dullard U.S. president du jour.

Australia is the most violent developed country in the world. A collapsing, depraved society, held together only by the puppet government that rules their client state. Over the course of one year your chance of being a victim of "contact crime" is 4.1% in Australia. In the U.S. it is 1.9%. In the UK sans Scotland 3.6%. In Japan 0.4%.

http://www.civitas.org.uk/pubs/internatCrime.php

In any country murder is a statistically rare crime. If 1 out of 1,000,000 people in Mexico have Tourette's and 3 out of 1,000,000 in France have Tourette's, is France overwhelmed with Tourette's? They have 300% the number as Mexico. Australia has a murder rate of 1.2 per 100,000; the U.S. has a murder rate of 5.0 per 100,000, Brazil 26 per 100,000, Russia 15 per 100,0000, Costa Rica 15 per 100,000. In none of those countries are you "likely" to be murdered. It is an aberration and rarity.

Contact crime - the total figures for the statistically common crimes of assault and rape and those of kidnapping and murder, combined, should indicate "safe societies."

tl;dr = Australians, driven insane by the venereal disease that has overcome their people at pandemic levels, are the most violent people in the world. This is why the US banking plutocrats-controlled Australian puppet government ordered them searched, disarmed and their internet access restricted to approved sites ... just like in a prison (or a prison island).

[Iliad]

http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10

Yeah I have seen this. They are believable to me based on the dates and the words. I have also seen the other videos with Jared torching an American Flag, and another on of a satanic seance labeled "Jared go to a Tea Party".

Just a few things we do know

She is a blue dog democrat.
She is Jewish
She is very popular, in Arizona
She sided with Arizona against Obama administration concerning 1070b
Her office was vandalized, I think about the same time that vid you shared was posted.

About Jared:

He's a long haired freak, who also in those videos was very offended by being handed a mini-bible from MEPS in AZ

Can you not post lies? Her offices were vandalised for her support of health care reform.

She was very much in favour of healthcare.

[Bones2484]

http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10

Yeah I have seen this. They are believable to me based on the dates and the words. I have also seen the other videos with Jared torching an American Flag, and another on of a satanic seance labeled "Jared go to a Tea Party".

Just a few things we do know

She is a blue dog democrat.
She is Jewish
She is very popular, in Arizona
She sided with Arizona against Obama administration concerning 1070b
Her office was vandalized, I think about the same time that vid you shared was posted.

About Jared:

He's a long haired freak, who also in those videos was very offended by being handed a mini-bible from MEPS in AZ

Can you not post lies? Her offices were vandalised for her support of health care reform.

She was very much in favour of healthcare.

What do either of your statements have to do with what Phatscotty posted?

[saxitoxin]

She was very much in favour of healthcare. using the police to require the poor give money to insurance mega-corporations.

So maybe, next time, members of congress may think twice before they order the pigs onto the streets to round-up customers for mega-corporations?

[Iliad]

http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10

Yeah I have seen this. They are believable to me based on the dates and the words. I have also seen the other videos with Jared torching an American Flag, and another on of a satanic seance labeled "Jared go to a Tea Party".

Just a few things we do know

She is a blue dog democrat.
She is Jewish
She is very popular, in Arizona
She sided with Arizona against Obama administration concerning 1070b
Her office was vandalized, I think about the same time that vid you shared was posted.

About Jared:

He's a long haired freak, who also in those videos was very offended by being handed a mini-bible from MEPS in AZ

Can you not post lies? Her offices were vandalised for her support of health care reform.

She was very much in favour of healthcare.

What do either of your statements have to do with what Phatscotty posted?

He lied about the congresswoman opposing Obama's healthcare reform and I corrected him.

[saxitoxin]

He lied about the congresswoman opposing Obama's healthcare reform subsidy to the insurance companies that bankrolled his campaign and I corrected him.

and I correct Illiad

[patches70]

http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10

Yeah I have seen this. They are believable to me based on the dates and the words. I have also seen the other videos with Jared torching an American Flag, and another on of a satanic seance labeled "Jared go to a Tea Party".

Just a few things we do know

She is a blue dog democrat.
She is Jewish
She is very popular, in Arizona
She sided with Arizona against Obama administration concerning 1070b
Her office was vandalized, I think about the same time that vid you shared was posted.

About Jared:

He's a long haired freak, who also in those videos was very offended by being handed a mini-bible from MEPS in AZ

Can you not post lies? Her offices were vandalised for her support of health care reform.

She was very much in favour of healthcare.

What do either of your statements have to do with what Phatscotty posted?

He lied about the congresswoman opposing Obama's healthcare reform and I corrected him.

I don't see anywhere in scotty's post where he claims that the congresswoman opposed Obama's healthcare plan. You do understand that "1070b" is Arizona's immigration law that got Arizona in all that hot water with Obama and the feds? I think you must be assuming that is about the healthcare stuff. So, what lies was he posting exactly?

[saxitoxin]

Here's What We Know So Far:

What we Know About Giffords -

- hates Palestinians
- hates Mexicans
- yes-woman (voted for both Bush and Obama's banking subsidies)

What we Know About Accused Shooter -

- idealistic young left-wing student (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... unman.html)
- supports drug legalization

[CreepersWiener]

<Creeper's Edit>

[Night Strike]

But of course, that magical 2nd amendment and liberty allows everyone in the great nation of the USA to own and hold a firearm so they can perform such great feats as the one mentioned in the article above.

Yah for guns!

I guess you forgot about those other people there who had guns and shot at the gunman.

But of course, that magical 2nd amendment and liberty allows everyone in the great nation of the USA to own and hold a firearm so they can perform such great feats as the one mentioned in the article above.

Yah for guns!

Not just any gun...a 9MM Handgun. The very same types of handguns that have been illegal in Washington DC for years! Time to put the ban back into place.

I am sure this Loughner is an avid Beck supporter. There is a lot of these right wing wackos out there. I agree with Rep. Giffords father:

The congresswoman’s father Spencer Gifford, 75, was rushing to the hospital when asked if his 40-year-old daughter had any enemies.

"Yeah," he told The Post. "The whole tea party."

The Tea Party is a joke and full of racist, violent people. It has been shown time and time again. Their answer to American problems is with a gun and with violent bullying. Just ask this lady:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txU55iFG9UA

This young deluded kid has TEA PARTY written all over him, and I suspect Beck and the leaders in the Tea Party will be speaking out against this violence; meanwhile, out of the other side of their mouths, they will be spewing conspiracy crap to keep the flames going.

Okay, I understand that this kid made the sick decision to shoot these people in Tucson, but let's take a look at the right wing rhetoric that is being pumped into people's heads by FOX News and Glen Beck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXseFquUxMY

It is ridiculous to think that Glen Beck is not inflaming right-wing sympathizers.

Charles Manson was held accountable even though he had nothing to do physically with the Tate murders.

Even the Neo Nazi radio host, Hal Turner, was arrested for inciting violence:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/2 ... 20442.html

So, don't give us this BS that nobody here deserves the blame except for this one whacko kid from Tucson. It seems the right-wing has some influence with their rhetoric, and perhaps one such as Glen Beck should bear some of this blame.

You are an f'ing idiot who should not be allowed to post in these forums ever again. To blame the actions of a delusional twat on the words of another person is just as delusional as the guy who pulled the trigger. It also just proves that you have NEVER actually listened to what Glenn Beck or Tea Party leaders have ever said as violence has been denounced at nearly every turn. In fact, Beck constantly talks about how violence must be avoided because it's the exact response the radicals are trying to elicit and would play right into their nasty hands. This shooter was delusional and thought that he could fix his problems by killing other people. The fact that you immediately jump to the conclusion that conservatives are to blame is the most partisan and idiotic thing ever said.

[saxitoxin]

Here's What We Know So Far:

What we Know About Giffords -

- hates Palestinians
- hates Mexicans
- yes-woman (voted for both Bush and Obama's banking subsidies)

What we Know About Accused Shooter -

- idealistic young left-wing student (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... unman.html)
- supports drug legalization

Just because you support drug legalization doesn't mean you are a Leftist.

A valid, if misplaced, point.

I said he was "left-wing" because his former high school and college classmate, and member of his band, described him as "left-wing" (as noted in the provided link).

He is clearly a Libertarian and probably a follower of Ron Paul

oh okay, my mistake

[saxitoxin]

If those thieves think it's their right,
To sacrifice us to their dreams,
They'll learn we've just begun to fight,
It's time to ...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSKrBX_FA-g&t=1m53s

Freedom for the political prisoners Jared Loughner, Mumia Abu-Jamal and Tre Arrow.

Human Love = State Hate

[Iliad]

Yeah I have seen this. They are believable to me based on the dates and the words. I have also seen the other videos with Jared torching an American Flag, and another on of a satanic seance labeled "Jared go to a Tea Party".

Just a few things we do know

She is a blue dog democrat.
She is Jewish
She is very popular, in Arizona
She sided with Arizona against Obama administration concerning 1070b
Her office was vandalized, I think about the same time that vid you shared was posted.

About Jared:

He's a long haired freak, who also in those videos was very offended by being handed a mini-bible from MEPS in AZ

Can you not post lies? Her offices were vandalised for her support of health care reform.

She was very much in favour of healthcare.

What do either of your statements have to do with what Phatscotty posted?

He lied about the congresswoman opposing Obama's healthcare reform and I corrected him.

I don't see anywhere in scotty's post where he claims that the congresswoman opposed Obama's healthcare plan. You do understand that "1070b" is Arizona's immigration law that got Arizona in all that hot water with Obama and the feds? I think you must be assuming that is about the healthcare stuff. So, what lies was he posting exactly?

Sorry I miscommunicated.
a) her offices were vandalised, ant it was for her support of healthcare reform, which she supported
b) she doesn't support 1070b
Arizona's 8th Congressional District is one of 10 in the country bordering Mexico. Giffords has stated that the Arizona SB1070 legislation is a "clear calling that the federal government needs to do a better job"[38] and saying that she hopes the legislation acts as a wake up call to the federal government. However, she stopped short of supporting the law itself, saying that it "does nothing to secure our border" and that it "stands in direct contradiction to our past and, as a result, threatens our future." She also claimed that SB1070 kept Arizona from attracting students and businesses.[39]

So yeah one lie from phatscotty, and one thing he didn't mention about vandalism: her support for healthcare was a factor in it.

[saxitoxin]

My boy Tall Paul and me just wrote a short folk song. Tall Paul is just working on the chord changes on his guitar now so I don't have the notes yet.

"State Hate; a Ballad"
by Saxi
Your precious State is withering away,
Blowing to dust,
Dust and decay.
Withering away,
It withers today.
It blows to dust,
Dust and decay.

Your monument's columns, so haughty and bold,
Are crumbling down,
Broken and cold.
Crumbling down,
Like prostitutes old,
They're broken and breaking,
Crumbling cold.

Your noble leaders, all pimps and whores,
Diseased, infected,
With scabies and sores.
Sickened now bad,
With fever and more,
Diseased, infected,
Feverish whores.


Eurovision material?

[saxitoxin]

her support for healthcare insurance mega-corporations was a factor in it.

[Aradhus]

Here's What We Know So Far:

What we Know About Giffords -

- hates Palestinians
- hates Mexicans
- yes-woman (voted for both Bush and Obama's banking subsidies)

What we Know About Accused Shooter -

- idealistic young left-wing student (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... unman.html)
- supports drug legalization

Just because you support drug legalization doesn't mean you are a Leftist.

A valid, if misplaced, point.

I said he was "left-wing" because his former high school and college classmate, and member of his band, described him as "left-wing" (as noted in the provided link).

Not what it said in that link.

[saxitoxin]

Here's What We Know So Far:

What we Know About Giffords -

- hates Palestinians
- hates Mexicans
- yes-woman (voted for both Bush and Obama's banking subsidies)

What we Know About Accused Shooter -

- idealistic young left-wing student (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... unman.html)
- supports drug legalization

Just because you support drug legalization doesn't mean you are a Leftist.

A valid, if misplaced, point.

I said he was "left-wing" because his former high school and college classmate, and member of his band, described him as "left-wing" (as noted in the provided link).

Not what it said in that link.

From the Link: "... she added that when she had known him, Loughner seemed to be liberal or Left-wing. "

Flaming Removed

[Aradhus]

1: when did she know him?
2: "idealistic young left-wing student" really?
3: seemed to be liberal or Left-wing

Since I've known you, you seem to be a gargantuan fuckwit with little ability to discern between reality and your cyclonic vapid goverment needs to be destroyed mindset.

Therefore.. can you connect those dots, pickle?