BREAKING NEWS: ARIZONA CONGRESS WOMAN SHOT IN HEAD!

[saxitoxin]

1: when did she know him?
2: "idealistic young left-wing student" really?
3: seemed to be liberal or Left-wing

Since I've known you, you seem to be a gargantuan fuckwit with little ability to discern between reality and your cyclonic vapid goverment needs to be destroyed mindset.

Therefore.. can you connect those dots, pickle?

Your attempt at a pithy "not what it said in the link" tongue-dived your way into a bigger hole than your jail guard B/F cratered in you when he plunge-fucked you on New Year's.

No need to erase the part of the thread where you got embarrassed then puke up a bunch of retorts you "could-shoulda-woulda" made given but the intelligence, breeding or educational pedigree. You just got embarrassed by your lack of literacy. No biggie. Just lay back and moan like you did on NYE.

[Aradhus]

I love your tactic, ignore what is said and just fall back on the one (weak) talent you have.

I'm even loathe to call it trolling, its more like trying to divert the topic away from your stupidity.

[saxitoxin]

I love your tactic, ignore what is said

honey - you don't get it ... I don't suck on command like you ... explain your horrific illiteracy before you bumble and stumble to your next points ... then, if it entertains me to give you a second facial, I will

here's the last load I left on your face and you have yet to hungrily lap up:

Here's What We Know So Far:

What we Know About Giffords -

- hates Palestinians
- hates Mexicans
- yes-woman (voted for both Bush and Obama's banking subsidies)

What we Know About Accused Shooter -

- idealistic young left-wing student (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... unman.html)
- supports drug legalization

Just because you support drug legalization doesn't mean you are a Leftist.

A valid, if misplaced, point.

I said he was "left-wing" because his former high school and college classmate, and member of his band, described him as "left-wing" (as noted in the provided link).

Not what it said in that link.

From the Link: "... she added that when she had known him, Loughner seemed to be liberal or Left-wing. "

[Aradhus]

idealistic young left-wing student

When did she know him?

People never change?

Assuming her assessment in the first place was correct.

[saxitoxin]

idealistic young left-wing student

When did she know him?

People never change?

Assuming her assessment in the first place was correct.

That's what Aradhus is discussing.

This is what Saxi is discussing (and Aradhus was discussing until his functional literacy was called into question and he changed the subject):

Saxi: his former high school and college classmate, and member of his band, described him as "left-wing"
Aradhus:not what it said in the link
Saxi:link: "... she added that when she had known him, Loughner seemed to be liberal or Left-wing. "

I'll happily discuss your newest topic once you've licked my wad off your face from the first one, but not until.

Honey, your glass plate university pedigree is a fucking travesty. Don't try to parade it about like you were just elected a Trustee of MENSA.

[Aradhus]

Actually you said he was an "idealistic young left-wing student"

Followed up by his classmate saying he was a liberal. Neglecting to mention that to her he seemed to be liberal or left wing. Lots of people seem to be lots of things they're not.

You seem to be moderately funny.

[saxitoxin]

Actually you said he was an "idealistic young left-wing student"

Followed up by his classmate saying he was a liberal. Neglecting to mention that to her he seemed to be liberal or left wing. Lots of people seem to be lots of things they're not.

You seem to be moderately funny.

You made a very, very stupid error. Don't be embarrassed. It's common for those from your station. Don't make it worse by changing the subject, especially in such a very weak way. This is what we're discussing.

Saxi: his former high school and college classmate, and member of his band, described him as "left-wing"
Aradhus:not what it said in the link
Saxi:link: "... she added that when she had known him, Loughner seemed to be liberal or Left-wing. "

Again, I'll happily volcano in your eye over your new subject but I need you to eat up this last wad first. I'll check back on Monday. If there's no batter still dripping down your nose then I'll redo you. But I require you lick up the last wad first. If I changed subjects each time a semi-literate needed to save face I'd be here all night. I hope you understand.

Goodnight - looking forward to redoing you next week. Put that glass plate pedigree to work and don't let me down. This will be a fun little project for you.

[saxitoxin]

One last thing while Ardhus is wiping his face off ... it seems telling that a member of the supposedly "neutral" federal bench was attending a political rally. And that's what this was - it was no fucking constituent meeting - it was a crass, carnival, political rally held on a street corner with slick, professional signage.

I expect the state worship zealots will start practicing their disgusting religion indoors, in private, from now on and stop shoving it in the faces of decent humans by having their religious carnivals on street corners. Perhaps that is a silver lining to this cloud.

Anyway, that's all from me on this topic. I have no desire to rub salt in wounds and I genuinely feel bad for the State Worshippers that one of the deities in their pantheon was blasphemized today. While I may not have supported the goddess Giffords it's too bad when anyone is either wounded or Murder-Death-Killed. Even though I'm a non-theist I'll say a prayer anyway for Her Worshipfullness to make a speedy recovery, as well as for innocent Jared Loughner to receive a speedy acquittal.

[Woodruff]

But of course, that magical 2nd amendment and liberty allows everyone in the great nation of the USA to own and hold a firearm so they can perform such great feats as the one mentioned in the article above.

The fact of the matter is that this action doesn't reflect at all on the 2nd Amendment. The fact of the matter is that even without the 2nd Amendment, wackjobs can get firearms if they really want to.

This shit is so common place in the US that it has almost become 'normal'.

No, it isn't. At all.

The biggest news about this massacre was the status of one of the victims.

That IS the biggest news about the story, yes. A Congresscritter is a pretty important individual.

Our culture has a death wish and the right to bear arms clause is merely a fulfilment of that death wish -

Not even remotely.

[CreepersWiener]

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[Night Strike]

Amazing that you would use Paul Krugman as your "source" for blaming conservatives considering George Soros is probably the only person more liberal than him. But I guess he's perfectly factual when looking for any excuse to bash conservatives. What's even more pathetic is that Krugman knows he just put out liberal crap since he won't even defend his stance by allowing comments on his blog post. I guess he doesn't want to be shown to be an idiot like when his economic ideas were roundly destroyed by blog commentators.

And since you obviously have no clue what the Tea Party stands for, I guess I'll mention it again. The Tea Party wants less government, not no government. They feel that government has overstepped its bounds and needs reigned in, not that it is brainwashing people and must be overthrown. There is absolutely NO rhetoric from conservatives that would lead a person to kill members of the government. The only ones who think it is there are those who are looking for anyway to twist the words of conservatives to blame them for idiots like Saturday's shooter. And what's worse is that people like you are dumb enough to believe them and participate in their slander.

One last thing while Ardhus is wiping his face off ... it seems telling that a member of the supposedly "neutral" federal bench was attending a political rally. And that's what this was - it was no fucking constituent meeting - it was a crass, carnival, political rally held on a street corner with slick, professional signage.

The judge could have been there shopping as the meeting was held at a supermarket.

[CreepersWiener]

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[CreepersWiener]

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[saxitoxin]

a situation as serious as this one

The US government, and its sycophantic allies/client states, have Murder-Death-Killed millions. It is the most prolific Murder-Death-Kill machine the world has ever known.

When one member of the USG is MDK'ed the world is supposed to sit silently, in hushed reverence, kowtowing to the visage of Her Worshipfulness and enter a protracted period of mourning and public displays of grief?

How many Pakistani children has Obama ordered sent to their graves? Maybe both should be condemned but only one will be - Obama's victims, after all, are just brown; not a beautiful shade of pure, lily white like Giffords.

[jefjef]

The US government, and its sycophantic allies/client states, have Murder-Death-Killed millions. It is the most prolific Murder-Death-Kill machine the world has ever known.

Really? Nazi Germany or the purges in Russia never happened? Perhaps you should consider leaving and relocating to a peace loving human rights protecting country like N Korea.

Obama's victims, after all, are just brown; not a beautiful shade of pure, lily white

I thought Obama was a shade of brown. You are rambling saxi.

[Aradhus]

Here's What We Know So Far:

What we Know About Giffords -

- hates Palestinians
- hates Mexicans
- yes-woman (voted for both Bush and Obama's banking subsidies)

What we Know About Accused Shooter -

- idealistic young left-wing student (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... unman.html)
- supports drug legalization

Just because you support drug legalization doesn't mean you are a Leftist.

A valid, if misplaced, point.

I said he was "left-wing" because his former high school and college classmate, and member of his band, described him as "left-wing" (as noted in the provided link).

Not what it said in that link.

Where in the link which you quoted as your source did it say that he was an "idealistic young left-wing student"?
at one point in the past, could've been 2 years ago, 3 years ago, etc did the classmate who "knew him then" say he was liberal/leftwing guy(now)?

nowhere.

According to phatscotty many many people accused him of being a liberal.

Somebody at some point in their history with the shooter thought that he seemed to be a liberal/leftwing person.

[saxitoxin]

You are rambling saxi.

It wouldn't be the first time and it probably won't be the last.

[saxitoxin]

Here's What We Know So Far:

What we Know About Giffords -

- hates Palestinians
- hates Mexicans
- yes-woman (voted for both Bush and Obama's banking subsidies)

What we Know About Accused Shooter -

- idealistic young left-wing student (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... unman.html)
- supports drug legalization

Just because you support drug legalization doesn't mean you are a Leftist.

A valid, if misplaced, point.

I said he was "left-wing" because his former high school and college classmate, and member of his band, described him as "left-wing" (as noted in the provided link).

Not what it said in that link.

Where in the link which you quoted as your source did it say that he was an "idealistic young left-wing student"?

The link said his long-time friend identified him as "left-wing" despite your feverish protestations it didn't. That's all I said or claimed vis a vis the link. [ref: Saxitoxin: "I said he was "left-wing" because his former high school and college classmate, and member of his band, described him as "left-wing" (as noted in the provided link)."]

I said that he was an "idealistic young left-wing student" as a logical compendium of known facts about him (a-he was anti-Zionist and identified by friends as "left-wing", b-he was 22 years old, c-he was a student at Pima College, d-he was expressively idealistic in the written record he reportedly made).

Truly, I'm so very sorry you're having such dreadful and ongoing difficulties following the flow of conversation. Do they teach some type of reading comprehension course at Lancaster University, perhaps?

[BigBallinStalin]

This has nothing to do with the culture we live in. Fucked up people HAVE ALWAYS EXISTED. The probability of a fucked up person has always remained the same, but since there are more people living today there are more fucked up people (proportional to older times, though).

Who ever said that culture was ever bad at making fucked up people? Culture has never stopped making fucked up people since the start of it all.

Wat? Culture isn't the culprit that you claim it to be. It's an extremely complicated amalgamation of many people's norms and values. Whenever a standard is drawn, say for example the "American culture," then one must rely on overgeneralizations and stereotypes.

This guy isn't a representative of that standard. He's a deviant, and an extreme one at that. To say that culture is to blame is just wrong. It's really down to individuals and their perceived incentives and costs.

[BigBallinStalin]

a situation as serious as this one

The US government, and its sycophantic allies/client states, have Murder-Death-Killed millions. It is the most prolific Murder-Death-Kill machine the world has ever known.

When one member of the USG is MDK'ed the world is supposed to sit silently, in hushed reverence, kowtowing to the visage of Her Worshipfulness and enter a protracted period of mourning and public displays of grief?

How many Pakistani children has Obama ordered sent to their graves? Maybe both should be condemned but only one will be - Obama's victims, after all, are just brown; not a beautiful shade of pure, lily white like Giffords.

Word up.

[BigBallinStalin]

Bros, the fact is Australia is a sick and culturally corrupt society that needed to be disarmed to avoid collapsing. Now, WikiLeaks has shown that, not only were they disarmed, they were transformed into a puppet state with cabinet ministers dutifully slinking for duty at the US embassy; paid CIA informants gathering information and taking orders about who to unseat as PM and who to install at the pleasure of the dullard U.S. president du jour.

Australia is the most violent developed country in the world. A collapsing, depraved society, held together only by the puppet government that rules their client state. Over the course of one year your chance of being a victim of "contact crime" is 4.1% in Australia. In the U.S. it is 1.9%. In the UK sans Scotland 3.6%. In Japan 0.4%.

http://www.civitas.org.uk/pubs/internatCrime.php

In any country murder is a statistically rare crime. If 1 out of 1,000,000 people in Mexico have Tourette's and 3 out of 1,000,000 in France have Tourette's, is France overwhelmed with Tourette's? They have 300% the number as Mexico. Australia has a murder rate of 1.2 per 100,000; the U.S. has a murder rate of 5.0 per 100,000, Brazil 26 per 100,000, Russia 15 per 100,0000, Costa Rica 15 per 100,000. In none of those countries are you "likely" to be murdered. It is an aberration and rarity.

Contact crime - the total figures for the statistically common crimes of assault and rape and those of kidnapping and murder, combined, should indicate "safe societies."

tl;dr = Australians, driven insane by the venereal disease that has overcome their people at pandemic levels, are the most violent people in the world. This is why the US banking plutocrats-controlled Australian puppet government ordered them searched, disarmed and their internet access restricted to approved sites ... just like in a prison (or a prison island).

Poor Australia. It should still be hailed as a model nation-state to justify the state's further expansion of control over all firearms and to justify its monopoly of the use of legitimate violence against its own people.

[Phatscotty]

http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10

Yeah I have seen this. They are believable to me based on the dates and the words. I have also seen the other videos with Jared torching an American Flag, and another on of a satanic seance labeled "Jared go to a Tea Party".

Just a few things we do know

She is a blue dog democrat.
She is Jewish
She is very popular, in Arizona
She sided with Arizona against Obama administration concerning 1070b
Her office was vandalized, I think about the same time that vid you shared was posted.

About Jared:

He's a long haired freak, who also in those videos was very offended by being handed a mini-bible from MEPS in AZ

Can you not post lies? Her offices were vandalised for her support of health care reform.

Yes, I am well aware of her vote for healthcare.

how is it a lie to say "her office was vandalized"???

[Phatscotty]

http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10

Yeah I have seen this. They are believable to me based on the dates and the words. I have also seen the other videos with Jared torching an American Flag, and another on of a satanic seance labeled "Jared go to a Tea Party".

Just a few things we do know

She is a blue dog democrat.
She is Jewish
She is very popular, in Arizona
She sided with Arizona against Obama administration concerning 1070b
Her office was vandalized, I think about the same time that vid you shared was posted.

About Jared:

He's a long haired freak, who also in those videos was very offended by being handed a mini-bible from MEPS in AZ

Can you not post lies? Her offices were vandalised for her support of health care reform.

She was very much in favour of healthcare.

What do either of your statements have to do with what Phatscotty posted?

He lied about the congresswoman opposing Obama's healthcare reform and I corrected him.

HEY, DUMMY! 1070b IS THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT LAW!!!!!!!

She supported AZ stance when the federal gov't decided to get involved in ARizona, about the time the President of Mexico was educating us all about how bad America's policy's are and that we are all racist.

[DangerBoy]

Horrible tragedy, and I pray for the congresswoman's recovery, which seems to be happening. The families of the victims deserve our prayers and also action to help them through this time.

let's take a look at the right wing rhetoric that is being pumped into people's heads by FOX News and Glen Beck.

While we're at it, let's take a look at the left wing rhetoric being pumped into their side:

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun, because from what I understand, folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.” - Barack Obama

"If we were living in another country, what we, all of us together, would go down to Washington and stone Henry Hyde to death, stone him to death, stone him to death! Then we would go to their house and we'd kill the family, kill the children!." - Alec Baldwin on Late Night with Conan

"A message to progressives: By all means, hang Senator Joe Lieberman in effigy. Declare that you're disappointed in and/or disgusted with President Obama. Demand a change in Senate rules that, combined with the Republican strategy of total obstructionism, are in the process of making America ungovernable. But meanwhile, pass the health care bill." - Paul Krugman

Democrat Harry Mitchell puts a crosshairs image against Republican J.D. Hayworth


2008 Democrat strategy for taking congressional districts


"Targeting" specific Republicans


...and from the good people over at the Daily Kos (they've removed this post since but not before people screen captured it):



Bill Clinton's campaign staff were dubbed - The War Room. That's using violent language! They're creating a culture of violence!!!

[DangerBoy]

I'm going to go ahead and argue against the above post before the liberals try to gloss it over with the usual.........

"both sides do it"