BREAKING NEWS: ARIZONA CONGRESS WOMAN SHOT IN HEAD!

[saxitoxin]

...he was becoming more and more fixated on Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D). He had met her, he had become interested in her, and he found himself disagreeing with her positions, as she became more successful and prominent.

To the extent that he was reading extremist Web sites, investigators at this point believe that's not likely a major factor.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20 ... rs-motives

Will we ever learn the truth of if or how Giffords reciprocated Loughner's infatuation with her old white lady booty?

Here Giffords is, a powerful cougar who gets anything - and anyone - she wants. Enter the naive young campaign volunteer eager to satisfy her in a way her husband hasn't been able to for a decade. Sparkys fly, she dumps him to the side of the road, he flips out and opens fire.

What is it with the weird-as-fuck sex lives of Democrat Party members and their campaign volunteers? How many people had to die because Giffords was in heat?

[Aradhus]

I think the fact that this thread has turned into another 'liberals' vs 'conservatives' thread goes to show how retarded the whole paradigm actually is - I've heard both sides claim that the shooter aligns himself with the opposing side's ideology (not just on this board) - The shooter is mentally unhealthy, which is an attribute that does not disciminate based on political leanings.

Nobody on the right is trying to blame this on lefty's. What people on the right are doing is defending against the charges that this athiest bible hater, long hair schizo pot smoking drop out who lists the Communist Mainfesto and Mien Kampf among his favorite books, is a right winger. He just isn't....

What does being an atheist have to do with anything, or everything else you're describing him as?

Just basic information. People want to know who this guy is.

Bs, you were inferring that he's a liberal becasue, he's atheist, smokes pot, hates the bible, has long hair, and listed two crummy books amongst his favourites(the idiot has probably never read them). Otherwise why include the 'he just isn't a rightwinger'?

Are there no liberal christians, conservative atheists, conservatives with long hair, conservatives that smoke pot, conservatives that have read the communist manifesto?

He was anti government, anti immigration. Those are big important conservative agendas. and pro guns, obviously.

[Aradhus]

...he was becoming more and more fixated on Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D). He had met her, he had become interested in her, and he found himself disagreeing with her positions, as she became more successful and prominent.

To the extent that he was reading extremist Web sites, investigators at this point believe that's not likely a major factor.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20 ... rs-motives

Will we ever learn the truth of if or how Giffords reciprocated Loughner's infatuation with her old white lady booty?

Here Giffords is, a powerful cougar who gets anything - and anyone - she wants. Enter the naive young campaign volunteer eager to satisfy her in a way her husband hasn't been able to for a decade. Sparkys fly, she dumps him to the side of the road, he flips out and opens fire.

What is it with the weird-as-f*ck sex lives of Democrat Party members and their campaign volunteers? How many people had to die because Giffords was in heat?

Don't be hatin' bro. I'm sure she'd have considered giving it up for you too.

[saxitoxin]

...he was becoming more and more fixated on Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D). He had met her, he had become interested in her, and he found himself disagreeing with her positions, as she became more successful and prominent.

To the extent that he was reading extremist Web sites, investigators at this point believe that's not likely a major factor.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20 ... rs-motives

Will we ever learn the truth of if or how Giffords reciprocated Loughner's infatuation with her old white lady booty?

Here Giffords is, a powerful cougar who gets anything - and anyone - she wants. Enter the naive young campaign volunteer eager to satisfy her in a way her husband hasn't been able to for a decade. Sparkys fly, she dumps him to the side of the road, he flips out and opens fire.

What is it with the weird-as-f*ck sex lives of Democrat Party members and their campaign volunteers? How many people had to die because Giffords was in heat?

Don't be hatin' bro. I'm sure she'd have considered giving it up for you too.

I don't doubt it. Based on what we're learning of Giffords and how she interacted with her campaign volunteer-turned-insane gunman, it sounds like she would have let a rabid raccoon f*ck her.

[GabonX]

...he was becoming more and more fixated on Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D). He had met her, he had become interested in her, and he found himself disagreeing with her positions, as she became more successful and prominent.

To the extent that he was reading extremist Web sites, investigators at this point believe that's not likely a major factor.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20 ... rs-motives

Will we ever learn the truth of if or how Giffords reciprocated Loughner's infatuation with her old white lady booty?

Here Giffords is, a powerful cougar who gets anything - and anyone - she wants. Enter the naive young campaign volunteer eager to satisfy her in a way her husband hasn't been able to for a decade. Sparkys fly, she dumps him to the side of the road, he flips out and opens fire.

What is it with the weird-as-f*ck sex lives of Democrat Party members and their campaign volunteers? How many people had to die because Giffords was in heat?

Mmmmaybe a bit to far..

[saxitoxin]

...he was becoming more and more fixated on Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D). He had met her, he had become interested in her, and he found himself disagreeing with her positions, as she became more successful and prominent.

To the extent that he was reading extremist Web sites, investigators at this point believe that's not likely a major factor.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20 ... rs-motives

Will we ever learn the truth of if or how Giffords reciprocated Loughner's infatuation with her old white lady booty?

Here Giffords is, a powerful cougar who gets anything - and anyone - she wants. Enter the naive young campaign volunteer eager to satisfy her in a way her husband hasn't been able to for a decade. Sparkys fly, she dumps him to the side of the road, he flips out and opens fire.

What is it with the weird-as-f*ck sex lives of Democrat Party members and their campaign volunteers? How many people had to die because Giffords was in heat?

Mmmmaybe a bit to far..

Sorry, I'm not going to wait for the corporate media to give the green light before it's acceptable to start discussing Giffords sex life. Unless Giffords office provides a transparent answer to why they retained an insane gunman to work on her re-election campaign, open speculation about the full-range of possibilities is fair game.

Either Loughner was fucking Giffords or was fucking one of Giffords staffers. I can read between the lines of what the prudish American media - like the WSJ - don't want to report but rather just hint around at.

[Night Strike]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9ShJ7yx4LY&feature=sub

Pretty funny that you'd use comments from the biggest douche to ever be in Congress to try to discredit Palin. Remember, Grayson is the guy who used two words, obviously out of context, to compare his opponent to the Taliban. By the way, isn't comparing someone to the Taliban inciting violence according to your definition?

[GabonX]

The guy seems like a virgin to me..

[john9blue]

Yeah, I figured he was an atheist, or at least nonreligious, but that was kind of beside my point. My point was that his personal views are so messed up that it doesn't matter what party he identifies with, because he clearly doesn't represent them as an average American. I really don't care what religion someone is in the political arena; I'd vote for Ron Paul if he was an atheist.

[Woodruff]

While not inciting violence, I think the billboard falls under the type of speech the Sheriff from the area talked about.
-Andy

Marxism is Marxism. Nobody should be able to say that tho, or make comparison, pretty much scratch the entire idea of understanding Marxist's. We'll just let someone else tell us what Marxism isn't. But what if that someone else is a Marxist? wait....

Thanks, ViperOverLord.

[Phatscotty]

<Creeper's Edit>

I hate to draw this conclusion, but you are the only devil worshipper I know.

Jared's Shrine


Is this guy satanic?

[Woodruff]

Irrelevant. We have freedom of speech in this country, and just because some deranged person may or may not use the speech from a certain individual to "justify" their killing of innocent people does not mean that speech should be outlawed. Furthermore, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT THIS SHOOTER FOLLOWED THE CONSERVATIVE SPEECH THAT THE LIBERALS ARE CLAIMING INCITED THE VIOLENCE. Contentious speech should be debated with more speech, not a gun. This man decided to use a gun as his method of speech, which is wrong in every context.

So some conservatives are feeling unjustly blamed for the actions of an extremist nutjob? Perhaps they can ask Muslims for advice on how to deal with that.

[Night Strike]

Irrelevant. We have freedom of speech in this country, and just because some deranged person may or may not use the speech from a certain individual to "justify" their killing of innocent people does not mean that speech should be outlawed. Furthermore, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT THIS SHOOTER FOLLOWED THE CONSERVATIVE SPEECH THAT THE LIBERALS ARE CLAIMING INCITED THE VIOLENCE. Contentious speech should be debated with more speech, not a gun. This man decided to use a gun as his method of speech, which is wrong in every context.

So some conservatives are feeling unjustly blamed for the actions of an extremist nutjob? Perhaps they can ask Muslims for advice on how to deal with that.

Extreme Muslims at least have ties to the base faith, even though it's a perversion of that faith. There is STILL NO EVIDENCE the shooter was a conservative, so any attempts to even try to connect them are libelous.

[Woodruff]

Irrelevant. We have freedom of speech in this country, and just because some deranged person may or may not use the speech from a certain individual to "justify" their killing of innocent people does not mean that speech should be outlawed. Furthermore, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT THIS SHOOTER FOLLOWED THE CONSERVATIVE SPEECH THAT THE LIBERALS ARE CLAIMING INCITED THE VIOLENCE. Contentious speech should be debated with more speech, not a gun. This man decided to use a gun as his method of speech, which is wrong in every context.

So some conservatives are feeling unjustly blamed for the actions of an extremist nutjob? Perhaps they can ask Muslims for advice on how to deal with that.

Extreme Muslims at least have ties to the base faith, even though it's a perversion of that faith. There is STILL NO EVIDENCE the shooter was a conservative, so any attempts to even try to connect them are libelous.

So you believe that the incredibly tenuous relationship of "they happen to have the same religion even though they don't believe the same things" is a more valid connection than no connection at all? Why?

So should I equate you to Fred Phelps? Because that's pretty much the same thing.

[Mr_Adams]

Wow, this thread went way off topic. Pretty much don't understand the conversation going past:

"I think he's a nut job. Clearly out of his mind, so any affiliation with any group is null and void for drawing conclusions"
"Agreed"
"But there should be gun control"
"But you could easily go over the boarder into mexico and buy much larger, much deadlier weapons, much cheaper, and get them here with ease. If you restrict guns, the only people who won't have guns are the people who wouldn't use the guns to do stupid crap like this"
"alright, good point"

5 posts + OP, this shouldn't have gone past page 1...

[Aradhus]

Irrelevant. We have freedom of speech in this country, and just because some deranged person may or may not use the speech from a certain individual to "justify" their killing of innocent people does not mean that speech should be outlawed. Furthermore, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT THIS SHOOTER FOLLOWED THE CONSERVATIVE SPEECH THAT THE LIBERALS ARE CLAIMING INCITED THE VIOLENCE. Contentious speech should be debated with more speech, not a gun. This man decided to use a gun as his method of speech, which is wrong in every context.

So some conservatives are feeling unjustly blamed for the actions of an extremist nutjob? Perhaps they can ask Muslims for advice on how to deal with that.

Extreme Muslims at least have ties to the base faith, even though it's a perversion of that faith. There is STILL NO EVIDENCE the shooter was a conservative, so any attempts to even try to connect them are libelous.

He was anti government, anti immigration, and he had no problem shooting people. If it smells conservative, whines like a conservative, and acts like one. I'm not saying he's a conservative. I'm not even brining up that it was a democrat he shot. I think we just need to get to know why these things happen. Because, newsflash, there are a LOT of psychos out there, they don't all get weapons and try to assassinate people connected to the government.

[thegreekdog]

Irrelevant. We have freedom of speech in this country, and just because some deranged person may or may not use the speech from a certain individual to "justify" their killing of innocent people does not mean that speech should be outlawed. Furthermore, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT THIS SHOOTER FOLLOWED THE CONSERVATIVE SPEECH THAT THE LIBERALS ARE CLAIMING INCITED THE VIOLENCE. Contentious speech should be debated with more speech, not a gun. This man decided to use a gun as his method of speech, which is wrong in every context.

So some conservatives are feeling unjustly blamed for the actions of an extremist nutjob? Perhaps they can ask Muslims for advice on how to deal with that.

Extreme Muslims at least have ties to the base faith, even though it's a perversion of that faith. There is STILL NO EVIDENCE the shooter was a conservative, so any attempts to even try to connect them are libelous.

He was anti government, anti immigration, and he had no problem shooting people. If it smells conservative, whines like a conservative, and acts like one. I'm not saying he's a conservative. I'm not even brining up that it was a democrat he shot. I think we just need to get to know why these things happen. Because, newsflash, there are a LOT of psychos out there, they don't all get weapons and try to assassinate people connected to the government.

I think we do know why it happened:

(1) The killer is mentally unstable.
(2) He could not be incarcerated or put into a mental facility.

If the killer was mentally stable or was incarcerated or put into a mental facility, this would not have happened. If conservatives weren't allowed to speak on the radio, it is likely this still would have happened.

[Aradhus]

This isn't an isolated incident. Therer is a lot of anti government rhetoric in the Us right now. Things have consequences.

So the guy is crazy, agreed. But where does he direct that crazy?

[thegreekdog]

This isn't an isolated incident. Therer is a lot of anti government rhetoric in the Us right now. Things have consequences.

So the guy is crazy, agreed. But where does he direct that crazy?

I don't think it matters where he directs the crazy. If it's directed anywhere, it's bad.

[Aradhus]

Ok, so nobody is influenced by anything anybody else says, and when batshit goes batshit mark2, who cares why, he's batshit. I mean, it doesn't matter that there's the slightest possibility that his batshit could have been directed elsewhere. All that matters is he's crazy. Crazy like Osama Bin Laden?

[Night Strike]

This isn't an isolated incident. Therer is a lot of anti government rhetoric in the Us right now. Things have consequences.

So the guy is crazy, agreed. But where does he direct that crazy?

Rhetoric =/= murder.

That's what you people don't understand. Murder is a conscious personal choice, no matter what ideology one believes. Furthermore, there is STILL NO EVIDENCE the murderer had any ties to conservative ideologies, so the comparison is even more ridiculous.

[thegreekdog]

Ok, so nobody is influenced by anything anybody else says, and when batshit goes batshit mark2, who cares why, he's batshit. I mean, it doesn't matter that there's the slightest possibility that his batshit could have been directed elsewhere. All that matters is he's crazy. Crazy like Osama Bin Laden?

People sure are influenced (or motivated as Woodruff put it in another thread).

You're agreeing with me that (1) the guy is crazy and (2) the guy is going to kill someone. If these two things are true, is there anything else we need to know? Do we need to know whether he read the Communist Manifesto or listened to Glenn Beck religiously or thought that postal workers were the spawn of Satan? I think the answer is no. If we took away the Communist Manifesto and Glenn Beck and postal workers, he would have killed someone anyway right?

The "motivator" is not motivating him to kill. The "motivator" is motivating him to direct his killing at a specific individual... at least in the killer's mind.

[Aradhus]

Why would he have killed someone anyway tgd? Absolutely zero evidence of that, regardless of how crazy he was. His actions were specific.

[thegreekdog]

Why would he have killed someone anyway tgd? Absolutely zero evidence of that, regardless of how crazy he was. His actions were specific.

So you don't agree he was going to kill someone anyway? Okay, we need to go back to the beginning then. Based on the interviews I've read, it appears that others believed he was a danger to others given that many of his friends and relatives tried to have him committed. Perhaps he wasn't destined to kill someone, but all the "evidence" (such as it is) points to it.

I guess my question to you is whether you think the reason he killed anyone (regardless of political affiliation) was because of rhetoric (any rhetoric) or whether there his mental instability gave him a predisposition to murder.

[saxitoxin]

This isn't an isolated incident. Therer is a lot of anti government rhetoric in the Us right now. Things have consequences.

So the guy is crazy, agreed. But where does he direct that crazy?

Who cares? A Member of Congress lost some brain matter. That's not intrinsically worse than had he went to town with a butcher knife in the maternity ward of a hospital.

It's stunningly insane to suggest that it's worse to accost one of the vaunted, glorious leaders whom we all must hold in deified reverence than whatever schlub he would have taken out if his craziness were allowed to pent-up a few extra months.

In any case, there should definitely be a crack-down on discussion about student fees in the UK. There's a lot of anger; there are riots. Clearly it's a tinderbox. The police should raid the homes and jail anyone voicing opposition to the Cameron government's university fees to prevent someone from going overboard with a fertilizer bomb.