BREAKING NEWS: ARIZONA CONGRESS WOMAN SHOT IN HEAD!

[Aradhus]

Why would he have killed someone anyway tgd? Absolutely zero evidence of that, regardless of how crazy he was. His actions were specific.

So you don't agree he was going to kill someone anyway? Okay, we need to go back to the beginning then. Based on the interviews I've read, it appears that others believed he was a danger to others given that many of his friends and relatives tried to have him committed. Perhaps he wasn't destined to kill someone, but all the "evidence" (such as it is) points to it.

I guess my question to you is whether you think the reason he killed anyone (regardless of political affiliation) was because of rhetoric (any rhetoric) or whether there his mental instability gave him a predisposition to murder.

Do all mentally unstable people who are not commited, kill?

[thegreekdog]

Why would he have killed someone anyway tgd? Absolutely zero evidence of that, regardless of how crazy he was. His actions were specific.

So you don't agree he was going to kill someone anyway? Okay, we need to go back to the beginning then. Based on the interviews I've read, it appears that others believed he was a danger to others given that many of his friends and relatives tried to have him committed. Perhaps he wasn't destined to kill someone, but all the "evidence" (such as it is) points to it.

I guess my question to you is whether you think the reason he killed anyone (regardless of political affiliation) was because of rhetoric (any rhetoric) or whether there his mental instability gave him a predisposition to murder.

Do all mentally unstable people who are not commited, kill?

No.

[Aradhus]

This isn't an isolated incident. Therer is a lot of anti government rhetoric in the Us right now. Things have consequences.

So the guy is crazy, agreed. But where does he direct that crazy?

Who cares? A Member of Congress lost some brain matter. That's not intrinsically worse than had he went to town with a butcher knife in the maternity ward of a hospital.

It's stunningly insane to suggest that it's worse to accost one of the vaunted, glorious leaders whom we all must hold in deified reverence than whatever schlub he would have taken out if his craziness were allowed to pent-up a few extra months.

Well, at least you're conceding a member of congress had brain matter to begin with. That's progress, baby.

Oh, and blow me.

[saxitoxin]

Some of the glorious members of the Leadership Caste were attacked recently:



I support a crackdown on any talk or opposition to David Cameron and his policy proposals. There is too much vitriol and things like this could happen again - or worse! Send in the Army to shut-down The Guardian forthwith.

[Aradhus]

Why would he have killed someone anyway tgd? Absolutely zero evidence of that, regardless of how crazy he was. His actions were specific.

So you don't agree he was going to kill someone anyway? Okay, we need to go back to the beginning then. Based on the interviews I've read, it appears that others believed he was a danger to others given that many of his friends and relatives tried to have him committed. Perhaps he wasn't destined to kill someone, but all the "evidence" (such as it is) points to it.

I guess my question to you is whether you think the reason he killed anyone (regardless of political affiliation) was because of rhetoric (any rhetoric) or whether there his mental instability gave him a predisposition to murder.

Do all mentally unstable people who are not commited, kill?

No.

Therefore is it not prudent to find out what tipped this guy over the edge. Just stating that he's fucking crazy shouldn't be the end of the discussion.

[Night Strike]

Therefore is it not prudent to find out what tipped this guy over the edge. Just stating that he's fucking crazy shouldn't be the end of the discussion.

Well if you want to make that assumption, shouldn't his post on Daily Kos saying his congresswoman was "dead to me" for voting against Pelosi have something to do with it? In fact, wouldn't that mean he's a strident liberal and wants to remove blue dogs from the party? It certainly wouldn't indicate conservative rhetoric was a cause.

[thegreekdog]

Why would he have killed someone anyway tgd? Absolutely zero evidence of that, regardless of how crazy he was. His actions were specific.

So you don't agree he was going to kill someone anyway? Okay, we need to go back to the beginning then. Based on the interviews I've read, it appears that others believed he was a danger to others given that many of his friends and relatives tried to have him committed. Perhaps he wasn't destined to kill someone, but all the "evidence" (such as it is) points to it.

I guess my question to you is whether you think the reason he killed anyone (regardless of political affiliation) was because of rhetoric (any rhetoric) or whether there his mental instability gave him a predisposition to murder.

Do all mentally unstable people who are not commited, kill?

No.

Therefore is it not prudent to find out what tipped this guy over the edge. Just stating that he's fucking crazy shouldn't be the end of the discussion.

I do think it would be prudent to find out what tipped him over the edge. I'm not suggesting that we don't. What I am suggesting is that the amount of discussion about whether or not political discussion and the use of targets in political ads should be banned or toned down is ridiculous. REGARDLESS OF THE POLITICAL PARTY!!! It's literally insane to say "yeah, he killed those people because of Glenn Beck or Keith Olbermann." Literally... insane...

[thegreekdog]

Therefore is it not prudent to find out what tipped this guy over the edge. Just stating that he's fucking crazy shouldn't be the end of the discussion.

Well if you want to make that assumption, shouldn't his post on Daily Kos saying his congresswoman was "dead to me" for voting against Pelosi have something to do with it? In fact, wouldn't that mean he's a strident liberal and wants to remove blue dogs from the party? It certainly wouldn't indicate conservative rhetoric was a cause.

Rhetoric, whether conservative or liberal, is never the cause.

[saxitoxin]

Why would he have killed someone anyway tgd? Absolutely zero evidence of that, regardless of how crazy he was. His actions were specific.

So you don't agree he was going to kill someone anyway? Okay, we need to go back to the beginning then. Based on the interviews I've read, it appears that others believed he was a danger to others given that many of his friends and relatives tried to have him committed. Perhaps he wasn't destined to kill someone, but all the "evidence" (such as it is) points to it.

I guess my question to you is whether you think the reason he killed anyone (regardless of political affiliation) was because of rhetoric (any rhetoric) or whether there his mental instability gave him a predisposition to murder.

Do all mentally unstable people who are not commited, kill?

No.

Therefore is it not prudent to find out what tipped this guy over the edge. Just stating that he's fucking crazy shouldn't be the end of the discussion.

The only things we know about Loughner for sure are:

(1) he twice worked for Giffords campaign (what kind of work environment is Giffords cultivating that is sending her staff over the edge?)

(2) Giffords actively promoted his YouTube page; one of only two to which she subscribed

(3) Loughner and Giffords were (probably) fucking like wild mules (Is Giffords is a sub-standard lover?)

[Night Strike]

Therefore is it not prudent to find out what tipped this guy over the edge. Just stating that he's fucking crazy shouldn't be the end of the discussion.

Well if you want to make that assumption, shouldn't his post on Daily Kos saying his congresswoman was "dead to me" for voting against Pelosi have something to do with it? In fact, wouldn't that mean he's a strident liberal and wants to remove blue dogs from the party? It certainly wouldn't indicate conservative rhetoric was a cause.

Rhetoric, whether conservative or liberal, is never the cause.

I know, but if the blog post is authentic, it was posted by the shooter himself and not some random person. Therefore, the rhetoric came from the actual source of the action, which can be considered a cause as opposed to it coming from someone else and the shooter trying to place the blame on someone else.

[aage]

strike and tgd, you're missing the point. The question is if he would have killed anyone else if not this woman. I think nay. This woman apparently did something to the guy (or at least in his opinion) and "paid for it", as Jared would describe. The other victims might well have been collateral damage.

Apparently there was this woman who stood up to him, referred to as "the hero" in the interview with the Sherrif. She didn't get shot. That might mean the guy had his mind fixed on something. A "true lunatic" would've shot anyone. Hell, a true lunatic would've blown himself up.

[Aradhus]

So when Rush Limbaugh talks about killing liberals, or when Glenn beck states that there is a secret marxist plot to overtake the american government, or that the tyranny is already here. And the first thing these tyrants will do is take away your guns, there are no consequences to that sort of talk.

Oh come on. Really?

[saxitoxin]

So when Rush Limbaugh talks about killing liberals

source?

Rioting students in the UK screamed "off with their heads" at a state official. Then Jared Loughner shot off the head of a state official. Coincidence? Not in Aradhus' black helicopter world. Round up the students and execute them. All of them! We must have civility for our glorious, holy state officials! There can be no dissent!

[thegreekdog]

strike and tgd, you're missing the point. The question is if he would have killed anyone else if not this woman. I think nay. This woman apparently did something to the guy (or at least in his opinion) and "paid for it", as Jared would describe. The other victims might well have been collateral damage.

Apparently there was this woman who stood up to him, referred to as "the hero" in the interview with the Sherrif. She didn't get shot. That might mean the guy had his mind fixed on something. A "true lunatic" would've shot anyone. Hell, a true lunatic would've blown himself up.

Yes, he would have killed someone else.

So when Rush Limbaugh talks about killing liberals, or when Glenn beck states that there is a secret marxist plot to overtake the american government, or that the tyranny is already here. And the first thing these tyrants will do is take away your guns, there are no consequences to that sort of talk.

Oh come on. Really?

The only consequences to that sort of talk is that people will vote differently.

Why aren't TGD or GabonX or PhatScotty or Doc_Brown out killing people?

[Aradhus]

Because you're not mentally unstabel( I think)

Some people are. injecting fear into that sort of mind increases the chances of dire consequences.

[saxitoxin]

So when Rush Limbaugh talks about killing liberals

So no source then? Creepy fantasy?

[Night Strike]

strike and tgd, you're missing the point. The question is if he would have killed anyone else if not this woman. I think nay. This woman apparently did something to the guy (or at least in his opinion) and "paid for it", as Jared would describe. The other victims might well have been collateral damage.

If the blog post was his, then the congresswoman's vote against Pelosi is what she did to him. There are also reports of other possible communications between him and her office that could have made him angrier. He was also angry at the lack of proper grammar in the 8th Congressional District and viewed her as the leader of that district.

[saxitoxin]

He was also angry at the lack of proper grammar in the 8th Congressional District and viewed her as the leader of that district.

No shock. When you have English teachers spewing their pro-grammar vitriol without consequence these kind of things are bound to happen. We must eliminate all vocabulary classes to protect the leadership caste.

[Aradhus]

So when Rush Limbaugh talks about killing liberals

source?

Rioting students in the UK screamed "off with their heads" at a state official. Then Jared Loughner shot off the head of a state official. Coincidence? Not in Aradhus' black helicopter world. Round up the students and execute them. All of them! We must have civility for our glorious, holy state officials! There can be no dissent!

Idiot, I'm talking about people in the media, talking heads, people with power to spread their stupid thoughts. Not the average joe shmuck like you who has no power and spends 90% of your time whining about it.

[saxitoxin]

So when Rush Limbaugh talks about killing liberals

source?

Rioting students in the UK screamed "off with their heads" at a state official. Then Jared Loughner shot off the head of a state official. Coincidence? Not in Aradhus' black helicopter world. Round up the students and execute them. All of them! We must have civility for our glorious, holy state officials! There can be no dissent!

Idiot, I'm talking about people in the media, talking heads, people with power to spread their stupid thoughts. Not the average joe shmuck like you who has no power and spends 90% of your time whining about it.

So no source then?

[Aradhus]

http://fitnessfortheoccasion.wordpress. ... -liberals/

[thegreekdog]

Because you're not mentally unstabel( I think)

Some people are. injecting fear into that sort of mind increases the chances of dire consequences.

So, let's assume I agree with you - what's your solution?

[saxitoxin]

http://fitnessfortheoccasion.wordpress.com/2007/03/13/eliminationism-kill-all-liberals/

Your source is fitnessfortheoccasion.wordpress.com?

Not exactly Le Monde, eh? Oh well, you did the best you knew how.

E for Effort

[Aradhus]

Oh, TGd you little schemer.

My solution to this problem and every problem facing mankind today would be to initiate mass suicide. No more mankind, no more problems.

the problem with your question is that its a tiny piece to a much larger more complex problem. Other than groups lobbying companies to pull sponsorhip from shows which are inciting violence or just being batshit and irresponsible in general, like say a Glenn Beck. I don't think there is much that can be done, becasue the problem is systemic, there are huge structural problems with the us government, the media, the connections between them.

Which is why something like wikileaks is important.

[john9blue]

So when Rush Limbaugh talks about killing liberals

http://fitnessfortheoccasion.wordpress.com/2007/03/13/eliminationism-kill-all-liberals/

Rush Limbaugh: “I tell people don’t kill all the liberals."

mm hmm