BREAKING NEWS: ARIZONA CONGRESS WOMAN SHOT IN HEAD!

[john9blue]

So, now that you have, in your own mind anyway, proven beyond a doubt that liberals are ideologically guilty by association based on hearsay and echo chamber rants, what do you propose? Executing us by firing squad? Reeducation camps? Indentured servitude? Or are you going to load us up in cattle cars and send us to Canada? Oh yes, that one please.
/roll

see, you ARE a hardcore liberal as if we couldn't tell. hell, i can usually tell in real life before i hear them even talk.

[Orwell]

well, then you know exactly where your own bullshit examples come from don't ya????
unless, you are denying that the gold standard, the new currency, and fear of the NWO are not major themes in Zietgiest?

Wow, when you jump off the deep end, you really go for it, eh?

I have no idea what you are talking about, Phatty, since I believe in none of those things and none of them are inherently liberal beliefs. Ron Paul has said more about the returning to the gold standard and abolishing taxes than any liberal I know of - and I believe the last politician to earnestly address the New World Order was Bush Sr and his lot. So yeah. Good luck with all of that.

[Orwell]

see, you ARE a hardcore liberal as if we couldn't tell. hell, i can usually tell in real life before i hear them even talk.

Yes, I am sure it helps when we're required to sew stars on to our garments to easy identify our beliefs.

[Phatscotty]

well, then you know exactly where your own bullshit examples come from don't ya????
unless, you are denying that the gold standard, the new currency, and fear of the NWO are not major themes in Zietgiest?

Wow, when you jump off the deep end, you really go for it, eh?

I have no idea what you are talking about, Phatty, since I believe in none of those things and none of them are inherently liberal beliefs. Ron Paul has said more about the returning to the gold standard and abolishing taxes than any liberal I know of - and I believe the last politician to earnestly address the New World Order was Bush Sr and his lot. So yeah. Good luck with all of that.

yet, they are all major themes in the liberal/athiest documentary.

Ron Paul has, along with Dennis Kucinich. ever heard of him? difference, I would never try something so stupid as to throw dennis kucinich out there as proof the gold standard is a liberal issue. Get some facts and learn about other politicians before you make even dumber statements.

Your entire point is built on a sand foundation. I am the rain.

Bush Sr. "addressed" the NWO? alright, I am REALLY wasting my time now! I see exactly how all of this stuff is over your head, and you should be getting a clue that you've been dancing on quicksand this entire time.

good luck mate

[Orwell]

well, then you know exactly where your own bullshit examples come from don't ya????
unless, you are denying that the gold standard, the new currency, and fear of the NWO are not major themes in Zietgiest?

Wow, when you jump off the deep end, you really go for it, eh?

I have no idea what you are talking about, Phatty, since I believe in none of those things and none of them are inherently liberal beliefs. Ron Paul has said more about the returning to the gold standard and abolishing taxes than any liberal I know of - and I believe the last politician to earnestly address the New World Order was Bush Sr and his lot. So yeah. Good luck with all of that.

yet, they are all major themes in the liberal/athiest documentary.

I really hate to break this to you (again), Phatty, but it isn't liberal.

Ron Paul has, along with Dennis Kucinich. ever heard of him? difference, I would never try something so stupid as to throw dennis kucinich out there as proof the gold standard is a liberal issue. Get some facts and learn about other politicians before you make even dumber statements.

I am not defending Kucinich either.

Your entire point is built on a sand foundation. I am the rain.

Ah, poetic.
And arrogant. And wishfully thinking. And wrong. But at least it's poetic.
Kind of.

Bush Sr. "addressed" the NWO? alright, I am REALLY wasting my time now!

Yup, and the wacko's ran with it.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8259800846851144110#
(you don't have much of a sense of humor, do you?

[Phatscotty]

Yes, I do

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5o_GgK2FUU

Guess who is the one taking orders from the media? It isn't the guy who never watched or listened to it!

[Orwell]

Yes, I do
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5o_GgK2FUU

Oh right. Leave it to Glenn Beck to give your argument some clarity.
That is funny!

[Phatscotty]

http://www.youtube.com/user/ZeitgeistMovie

watch this. It's a blueprint for social transformation. It calls for boycotting the banks, the military, the energy companies. It calls for people losing confidence in their elected leaders, boycotting the monetary system, a military dictatorship being set up, world collapse, all with some hypnotic background music, talking over and over again about crash and crisis. it also says to get a hybrid, critical mass, mobilization, "the change must occur inside of you, the evolution of conciousness.

I think the movie he watched repeated times fill with this, with the major segment focused on destroying Christianity and God, could objectively be seen as center-left, at best. However, nobody is trying to make that case. It is what it is, and you can deny that and redirect the blame if you want to.

I am the rain, come to wash you down the spout!

[Phatscotty]

Yes, I do
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5o_GgK2FUU

Oh right. Leave it to Glenn Beck to give your argument some clarity.
That is funny!

thank you. I was a statement to a sense of humor, and nothing else.

[Orwell]

http://www.youtube.com/user/ZeitgeistMovie

watch this. It's a blueprint for social transformation. It calls for boycotting the banks, the military, the energy companies. It calls for people losing confidence in their elected leaders, boycotting the monetary system, a military dictatorship being set up, world collapse, all with some hypnotic background music, talking over and over again about crash and crisis. it also says to get a hybrid, critical mass, mobilization, "the change must occur inside of you, the evolution of conciousness.

I think the movie he watched repeated times fill with this, with the major segment focused on destroying Christianity and God, could objectively be seen as center-left, at best. However, nobody is trying to make that case. It is what it is, and you can deny that and redirect the blame if you want to.

I am the rain, come to wash you down the spout!

You are beating a dead horse.

And you are delusional if you think you have disproven my arguments.

[Phatscotty]

http://www.youtube.com/user/ZeitgeistMovie

watch this. It's a blueprint for social transformation. It calls for boycotting the banks, the military, the energy companies. It calls for people losing confidence in their elected leaders, boycotting the monetary system, a military dictatorship being set up, world collapse, all with some hypnotic background music, talking over and over again about crash and crisis. it also says to get a hybrid, critical mass, mobilization, "the change must occur inside of you, the evolution of conciousness.

I think the movie he watched repeated times fill with this, with the major segment focused on destroying Christianity and God, could objectively be seen as center-left, at best. However, nobody is trying to make that case. It is what it is, and you can deny that and redirect the blame if you want to.

I am the rain, come to wash you down the spout!

You are beating a dead horse.

And you are delusional if you think you have disproven my arguments.

Just showing the source, nothing more. Your argument is totally disproven. The source is disqualified for numerous reasons as a right wing source, which you charged, head first, with no undies on...

[Orwell]

http://www.youtube.com/user/ZeitgeistMovie

watch this. It's a blueprint for social transformation. It calls for boycotting the banks, the military, the energy companies. It calls for people losing confidence in their elected leaders, boycotting the monetary system, a military dictatorship being set up, world collapse, all with some hypnotic background music, talking over and over again about crash and crisis. it also says to get a hybrid, critical mass, mobilization, "the change must occur inside of you, the evolution of conciousness.

I think the movie he watched repeated times fill with this, with the major segment focused on destroying Christianity and God, could objectively be seen as center-left, at best. However, nobody is trying to make that case. It is what it is, and you can deny that and redirect the blame if you want to.

I am the rain, come to wash you down the spout!

You are beating a dead horse.

And you are delusional if you think you have disproven my arguments.

Just showing the source, nothing more. Your argument is totally disproven. The source is disqualified for numerous reasons as a right wing source, which you charged, head first, with no undies on...

Fundamentally dishonest.
You have yet to show A) relevance and B) that Zeitgeist is left.
It ins't and you have disproven nothing of my argument. You have ignored it and tried to distance you anti-government stance from his.

[Phatscotty]

it isnt right, as you charged

[Orwell]

it isnt right, as you charged

And it isn't liberal as you wrongly claim - which is where all of your nonsense about Zeitgeist started in the first place.

It is very boring to watch you go around and around while you chase your own tail.
Good night and good luck.

[patches70]

Why does the anti-big government/tea party/right reactionary "patriot" refuse to take responsibilities for their own actions?

What actions are those that you speak of?

Why do the above resort to threats, intimidation, and occasionally violence?

Haven't seen any Tea Party calls for violence at all. Tea Party advocates fighting it out at the ballot box. So far the Tea Party has won the first major battle. I guess we will see how it goes in the next battle in 2012.

How is it not treasonous for these self-proclaimed patriots to call for insurrection against political institutions within our democratically-elected government?

Again, I haven't seen any Tea Party advocating insurrection. However I would note one thing, from one of our Founding documents. One particular exert that speaks of the responsibility citizens have when it comes to government, no matter if it is democratically elected or otherwise-

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,

There is the moral authority for insurrection against a Government, even if it happens to be democratically elected. Democracy in itself is no guarantee of freedom, especially if the majority is allowed to run rampant over a minority.

Why we seem to just allow Government to increasingly grow in it's power and influence over every aspect of our daily lives and our economic freedoms as well as social freedoms, we can find that answer in the same document-

and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable,

"It isn't that bad" people tell themselves. Tiny little steps, each step in itself subtle, unable to see the implications in the future, allow tyranny to fester, to grow until one day we wake up and realize we just aren't free anymore. So long as it is a "soft tyranny", men will suffer through it rather than stand up to stop it before it grows to something...else.

Of course, altering the Government through peaceful means is always preferable to violence. Luckily that is within the framework of our Constitution instituted by our Founders, and is by which the Tea Party is working. Through Constitutional process. By voting.

I don't think Loughner had any real understanding of the Constitution at all. He certainly wasn't defending it. It also seems that with your three questions you are trying to blame the Tea Party for Loughner's actions. I am not sure how you can come to that conclusion unless you just don't like the Tea Party.

Instead of trying to use this horrible incident to promote opposition to a political movement, how about you actually try and argue against what it is that the Tea Party actually advocates?

To do that you have to argue for increased National Debt,
argue for greater taxes,
argue for greater regulation over individual's habits,
argue for how it is somehow Government's job to protect individuals from themselves.

I would love to see someone actually argue against what it is that the Tea Party wants based on the issues at hand instead of just resorting to calls of "traitor" or "racist" or any other name calling. How about argue the actual issues and leave out all the other rhetoric?

*FWIW, though I find myself in agreement with most of (if not all) of the Tea Party's tenants, I feel as though even the Tea Party is not addressing at all the real problems of what has gone wrong with the United States. Until that issue is solved somehow nothing else will ever have a chance of being reformed for the betterment of the Nation. A debate of which is not really appropriate for this thread at all.

[Phatscotty]

it isnt right, as you charged

And it isn't liberal as you wrongly claim - which is where all of your nonsense about Zeitgeist started in the first place.

It is very boring to watch you go around and around while you chase your own tail.
Good night and good luck.

I never brought up zietgiest except for in response to you. When you named the issues, and called them right wing, I then stated I know exactly where that comes from. Yup, the movie the shooter was obsesssed with.

I have never once made it a point to label zietgiest left, just calling you out for calling it a right wing source. It silly. This is what's happening, just so you know. Your right-wing source (joke) is haunting you.

Now go get your pajamas on and I'll be in after a bit to tuck you in, maybe read you a scary story.

The name of the story is, "If there really was a direct link to the right, don't you think Left media would be pounding it like a Sarah Palin blow-up doll that can't press charges on ya?" I havent heard anything repeated that you brought up, about new-currency and gold standards and NWO boogeymen, and I watch leftist media all the time.

[Orwell]

You have turned this into a convenient and revisionist version of the debate we were having and I am seriously uninterested in watching you chase your tail. I am also unimpressed with you patting yourself on the back.
From this angle, it just looks like you have fleas, Phatty.

Good luck with that.

[Phatscotty]

You have turned this into a convenient and revisionist version of the debate we were having and I am seriously uninterested in watching you chase your tail. I am also unimpressed with you patting yourself on the back.
From this angle, it just looks like you have fleas, Phatty.

Good luck with that.

mail your little theory to the new york times an get published then

[mpjh]

A nine-year-old child was killed by the lunatic gunman. The congresswoman got regular threats against her life, including one the day before the event. What the hell was she doing hosting an event that included children without security? Seems we have an idiot on both sides of this one.

[Phatscotty]

A fresh breathe of sanity

[Orwell]

A nine-year-old child was killed by the lunatic gunman. The congresswoman got regular threats against her life, including one the day before the event. What the hell was she doing hosting an event that included children without security? Seems we have an idiot on both sides of this one.

Wow, so let me get this straight: you blame the victim, an elected official representing her constituents, for holding a public and peaceful assembly protected under the constitution of the United States of America because some violent punk shot her in the head and killed six people?

Wow. While you are at it, are you going to advocate for symbolically repealing her health insurance coverage since she cannot be bothered to show up to cast a vote?

A fresh breathe of sanity

And that you would find such a comment refreshing and sane says it all.

[mpjh]

I know this. If I were receiving death threats and holding public events, I would warn people attending the events that I was receiving death threats, and if the events had children or young people at them, I would engage some security. I call it; being responsible.

[Orwell]

I call it politically convenient to blame the victim.
Have security would not have necessarily stopped the punk from killing 6, and wounding 13.

[mpjh]

I am not holding the victims responsible for the shooting. I am holding the congresswoman responsible for how she conducts public meetings.

[Orwell]

I am not holding the victims responsible for the shooting. I am holding the congresswoman responsible for how she conducts public meetings.

You seem to conveniently forget that she is one of the victims.