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Re: The Matrix mafia || Day 1

Postby Mr. Squirrel on Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:05 pm

TheSaxlad wrote:Right. Firstly I admit I did lie about being unlynchable. it was meant to be a defense mechanism to stop you lynching me but obviously backfired.

Now Powers. Completely Bulletproof unless seraph dies. Im guessing flow to be seraph so she will need some protection tonight from edoc... I mean scum.

I can Investigate and track. However! Only one person at once so say I used my powers on edoc. He would come up scum and id be able to see that he'd gone to a townie in the night.

Alright, this is at least believable. Its still outrageously powerful, but at least believable within the setup. I'm guessing town probably has two of these super powered roles (oracle and neo) and the scum probably have similar members with counter-abilities. It would be a pain in the ass to balance correctly, but given the setup I think it is likely.

Also, don't ever and i mean EVER claim unlynchable unless you actually are. Town won't believe you until they actually test it and they almost always will. In this case, you almost cost the town a very crucial member. Just remember that next time.
TheSaxlad wrote:Based on my view of the game at this precise moment the scum could be:

Edoc: Reasons: been pushing way too hard for people to lynch me. I think he believes I am the oracle and wants me out of the way for obvious reasons. Getting slightly hysterical now things are being thought about
edocsil wrote:I am beginning to find you less and less funny sax. The only word I used to describe my emotions in that last sentence was "Glad", nothing suggested anger or frustration. The "Calm Down" was unneeded and quite frankly the whole post was useless drivel as a whole. You spend 2/3 of you time wasting everyone else's time, that combined with you numerous contradictions to your own claim is why my vote is one you.


Haggis: Didnt think so before but now everyone is thinking about it and asking questions has also became more hysterical
Haggis_McMutton wrote:This whole argument has become ridiculous. Sax is one of the clearest lynches I've ever seen. He's acted constantly scummy throughout the game and once the pressure was put on not only did he take his scumminess up a notch, made a ridiculous claim(which he keeps adding to), but he was also seriously unhelpful and constantly told half-truths(to be generous and not call them lies by omission).
Meanwhile Flow has clearly shown that she is linked with Sax.

Yes because she is seraph. I believe

Strike Wolf: Unsure about alignment. Could be scum but that would mean all three scum pressing hard for the lynch which when I come out town and everyone looks back would be complete suicide. Also been arguing with flow and losing over the past couple of pages.

These are the main people I personally think should be looked into. Others include safariguy and VioIet (who I believe is possibly cypher.)

I find it hard to believe your arguments when they are basically OMGUS. Even if I believe your claim, your accusations are completely unfounded. The votes that those players made were all justified seeing as you were being super scummy. I was beginning to think you were a jester because of how scummy you were acting. Just because someone is on your wagon does not mean they are scum. While it is likely there are scum there, we are going to need more evidence than "he wanted me lynched, so lynch him instead."
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Re: The Matrix mafia || Day 1

Postby Flow520 on Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:34 pm

Mr. Squirrel wrote:Just because someone is on your wagon does not mean they are scum. While it is likely there are scum there, we are going to need more evidence than "he wanted me lynched, so lynch him instead."
I agree completely. Let's apply some vote pressure to some of TheSaxlad voters and get some evidence so we can sort out who is scum and who is not.
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Re: The Matrix mafia || Day 1

Postby TheSaxlad on Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:40 pm

Id like to see what haggis has to say now...
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Re: The Matrix mafia || Day 1

Postby Haggis_McMutton on Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:02 pm

TheSaxlad wrote:Id like to see what haggis has to say now...


Umm, I've got to say that i was right ...

My argument was mostly that there is no freaking way in hell that there is an unlynchable bulletproof cop/tracker in here and that you are unhelpfull and telling half-truths/lying.

Guess what, you just admitted to all that ... :|

Now the question is: Are you a scum that really sucks at this game and made up his claim as he goes, adding and subtracting things based on whims. Or are you a townie that really sucks at this game who, for some unbelievably stupid reason thought it was a good idea to claim unlynchable when you aren't and one unlynchable player had already been found ... #-o

Either way, I have no fuckin idea what you were thinking. Your play is so terrible it's almost impossible to determine your intentions anymore ...
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Re: The Matrix mafia || Day 1

Postby safariguy5 on Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:07 pm

Well ok, now that you admitted that you did lie, I'm satisfied. However, I don't think anyone who went after you would be unjustified in doing so. That said, VioIet is being really quiet as per usual, and that has me concerned

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Re: The Matrix mafia || Day 1 || LF replacements

Postby Commander9 on Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:52 pm

Sorry for my inactivity, but I've been extremely busy these last 2 weeks. I'll go through the thread now and leave some thoughts.

safariguy5 wrote:Anyways, if he is Oracle, then a close viewing of The Matrix is going to disprove a lot of his claim. The idea that he can't be recruited is false. Agent Smith was able to do that easily. Even Seraph was unable to stop that. And more importantly, the Oracle retained her investigative powers even after being taken over. That's how she was able to forsee her victory against Neo in Revolutions. If this is a game that follows the characters faithfully, then this is not a 100% correct role for the Oracle.


Don't you think that this would make the character ridiculously over-powered? I'm not sure that this is something that aage would do.

TheSaxlad wrote:If I am to die today, then I believe that there are at least 3 scum. Edocsil, Strike Wolf and Safariguy.

I hope that if I die they will be the subject of whatever powers you have left.


Wait, what???

Not quite sure, but how can you die today if you are unlynchable? Slip mucho?

TheSaxlad wrote:to be perfectly honest losing active powers is practically the same as dieing as I become useless.


No, sadly it is not like that at all. Even if you would lose the investigative powers, you could still be useful, even extremely useful.


I am sorry Sax, but I have to vote you. If you will indeed lose your voting powers, I'll pursue one person who I've considered scummiest before (yes, Edoc), but there's just a bit too many things going on with you here.


Flow520 wrote:I think it's much better to wait 1 night than to run the risk of nerfing the Oracle into a voteless powerless townie.
It's not like town doesnt have other leads on scum to consider... The main one being Edoc with 4 votes currently and pages of outlined scummy behavior...


Powerless? No, not really... He'd still be unlynchable and bulletproof...

Mr. Squirrel wrote:This entire setup has given me a headache trying to wrap my brain around what could possibly be happening here... Replacing was a bad idea... :roll:

That said, now that I have committed myself, I might as well give my thoughts. Saxlad has been about as scummy as scummy could be. I would vote for him now, but no one else has counterclaimed oracle... Which basically confirms he is town... This game is completely topsy-turvy. The scummiest people are being confirmed as town and the town is only getting more questions rather than finding answers. Honestly, I have no idea where to go here. Complicated setups always screw with my head.

My only issue (well, its the only issue I feel like tackling right now) is sax's overpowered claim. I want him to give us a clear, concise description of all of his abilities and immunities. Be honest. If you lied about something, tell us. I just want answers, not a target.


This is what I've said - but also I'd say that some people have ousted themselves as scum if Sax will indeed turn out to be Oracle. Unless he has something good to say or a true Oracle will come out, I'd say that it might be time to get this moving.

TheSaxlad wrote:Right. Firstly I admit I did lie about being unlynchable. it was meant to be a defense mechanism to stop you lynching me but obviously backfired.

Now Powers. Completely Bulletproof unless seraph dies. Im guessing flow to be seraph so she will need some protection tonight from edoc... I mean scum.

I can Investigate and track. However! Only one person at once so say I used my powers on edoc. He would come up scum and id be able to see that he'd gone to a townie in the night.

Yes i lied. yes I shouldnt have done. But if you lynch me the scum had won.


You should have friggin said this in the first place. Unvote.

Okay, now this is a very important message -

Oracle, I know you are out there. If there's someone else who is actually the Oracle, come out. This way, whether Sax will turn out to be innocent or scum, we will know what to do next.


TheSaxlad wrote:Yes because she is seraph. I believe


Or she could be a scum who would pretty much guarantee safety for herself if you indeed came out as an Oracle.
But... It was so artistically done.
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Re: The Matrix mafia || Day 1

Postby edocsil on Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:14 pm

*Cough* Read Pg 32 *Cough*
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Re: The Matrix mafia || Day 1

Postby VioIet on Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:35 am

TheSaxlad wrote:
These are the main people I personally think should be looked into. Others include safariguy and VioIet (who I believe is possibly cypher.)



Why do you think I am cypher?


safariguy5 wrote:Well ok, now that you admitted that you did lie, I'm satisfied. However, I don't think anyone who went after you would be unjustified in doing so. That said, VioIet is being really quiet as per usual, and that has me concerned

unvote FOS VioIet


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I can see that theme based games are hard for me when i don't know the movie/show/series/etc.

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Re: The Matrix mafia --- all plugged in

Postby aage on Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:50 am

Votecount

1. Tailgunner
2. Edoc 4 (Freezie(=Mr. Squirrel), Flow, xuereb, Saxlad)
3. VioIet
4. Haggis
5. Mr. Squirrel
6. Strike Wolf
7. TheSaxlad 3 (Edoc'sil, Fircoal, Haggis)
8. Commander9 1 (vioIet)
9. 00iCon
10. Flow520
11. xuereb 1 (Tails)
12. /
13. Chu
14. Safariguy5

14 alive, 8 to lynch.
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Re: The Matrix mafia --- all plugged in

Postby Haggis_McMutton on Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:59 am

aage wrote:Votecount

1. Tailgunner
2. Edoc 4 (Freezie(=Mr. Squirrel), Flow, xuereb, Saxlad)
3. VioIet 1 (saxlad)
4. Haggis
5. Mr. Squirrel
6. Strike Wolf
7. TheSaxlad 3 (Edoc'sil, Fircoal, Haggis)
8. Commander9 1 (vioIet)
9. 00iCon
10. Flow520
11. xuereb 1 (Tails)
12. /
13. Chu
14. Safariguy5

14 alive, 8 to lynch.


Is the Sax double vote a mistake? I'm asking cause I noticed it on the last vote count as well.
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Re: The Matrix mafia --- all plugged in

Postby aage on Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:29 am

Haggis_McMutton wrote:
aage wrote:Votecount

1. Tailgunner
2. Edoc 4 (Freezie(=Mr. Squirrel), Flow, xuereb, Saxlad)
3. VioIet
4. Haggis
5. Mr. Squirrel
6. Strike Wolf
7. TheSaxlad 3 (Edoc'sil, Fircoal, Haggis)
8. Commander9 1 (vioIet)
9. 00iCon
10. Flow520
11. xuereb 1 (Tails)
12. /
13. Chu
14. Safariguy5

14 alive, 8 to lynch.


Is the Sax double vote a mistake? I'm asking cause I noticed it on the last vote count as well.

Yes it's a mistake. I removed the wrong one.
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Re: The Matrix mafia || Day 1

Postby Mr. Squirrel on Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:04 am

aage wrote:Votecount

1. Tailgunner
2. Edoc 4 (Freezie(=Mr. Squirrel), Flow, xuereb, Saxlad)
3. VioIet
4. Haggis
5. Mr. Squirrel
6. Strike Wolf
7. TheSaxlad 3 (Edoc'sil, Fircoal, Haggis)
8. Commander9 1 (vioIet)
9. 00iCon
10. Flow520
11. xuereb 1 (Tails)
12. /
13. Chu
14. Safariguy5

14 alive, 8 to lynch.

unvote. I didn't notice freezie had voted edoc before I got here.
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Re: The Matrix mafia || Day 1

Postby / on Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:29 pm

Hmmm... Edoc, you say you assume sax is telling the truth, but you are still on his lynch.... why?
well actually I see it too :roll:
Sax, I am actually a strong supporter of the lynch all liars policy, every bit of instinct is telling me you need to be lynched, you are playing it soooooo scummy, and really as you've played, even if you aren't scum today I can't think of any reason you wouldn't be scum tomorrow, I'm beginning to think it's a lost cause, why should we keep an investigator that cannot be trusted for even a night? (IE: is probably going to be cult tomorrow ((if not already)) screwing over another townie before we inevitably have to lynch sax anyways wasting even more time)
Besides that there is such a goldmine of evidence from both sides trying to support or disprove your claim.... *sigh* I just know this will come back to bite me, but I think it is necessary for the game Vote Sax
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Re: The Matrix mafia || Day 1

Postby / on Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:34 pm

Also, @ Comm, The whole "cult" mechanic makes it unwise for power roles to claim unless it is 100% necessary, we cannot assume there is any way to protect crucial programs. thus there are still plenty of pro and con reasons for a counterclaim to root out scum... that plus they are presumably always replacing their number doesn't make for a good trade
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Re: The Matrix mafia || Day 1

Postby edocsil on Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:59 pm

I know it is LaL and the like, but man we can't afford to lynch him. At least we know the first time he lies we can kill him once he is inevitably recruited. If we are lucky there will be a busdriver that can keep him on our side for a while. Unvote
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Re: The Matrix mafia || Day 1

Postby safariguy5 on Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:17 pm

So we're pretty sure Sax is Oracle and Flow is Seraph. Hm... I'll go with xuereb for submarining again. I say we get him to speak up or get unplugged.

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Re: The Matrix mafia || Day 1

Postby Commander9 on Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:30 pm

edocsil wrote:*Cough* Read Pg 32 *Cough*


I did... What did I miss? I've re-read it and still not sure what I have missed.

/ wrote:Also, @ Comm, The whole "cult" mechanic makes it unwise for power roles to claim unless it is 100% necessary, we cannot assume there is any way to protect crucial programs. thus there are still plenty of pro and con reasons for a counterclaim to root out scum... that plus they are presumably always replacing their number doesn't make for a good trade


But shouldn't there be only 1 Cult member as of now? So if he indeed would be the only one, I'd gladly trade Oracle for Mr. Smith (actually, we wouldn't even lose the Oracle because we'd kill Mr. Smith). I agree that one should not claim unless necessary, but if Sax would be lying, he should counter-claim as Sax is about to go off the hook. If no one will counter, I'll just assume he's the Oracle.

safariguy5 wrote:So we're pretty sure Sax is Oracle and Flow is Seraph. Hm... I'll go with xuereb for submarining again. I say we get him to speak up or get unplugged.

vote xuereb


And again, why do you think that Flow is Seraph? He could just as easily be someone else and he could have defended Sax for
completely different reasons...
But... It was so artistically done.
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Re: The Matrix mafia || Day 1

Postby edocsil on Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:45 pm

Commander9 wrote:
edocsil wrote:*Cough* Read Pg 32 *Cough*


I did... What did I miss? I've re-read it and still not sure what I have missed.

/ wrote:Also, @ Comm, The whole "cult" mechanic makes it unwise for power roles to claim unless it is 100% necessary, we cannot assume there is any way to protect crucial programs. thus there are still plenty of pro and con reasons for a counterclaim to root out scum... that plus they are presumably always replacing their number doesn't make for a good trade


But shouldn't there be only 1 Cult member as of now? So if he indeed would be the only one, I'd gladly trade Oracle for Mr. Smith (actually, we wouldn't even lose the Oracle because we'd kill Mr. Smith). I agree that one should not claim unless necessary, but if Sax would be lying, he should counter-claim as Sax is about to go off the hook. If no one will counter, I'll just assume he's the Oracle.

safariguy5 wrote:So we're pretty sure Sax is Oracle and Flow is Seraph. Hm... I'll go with xuereb for submarining again. I say we get him to speak up or get unplugged.

vote xuereb


And again, why do you think that Flow is Seraph? He could just as easily be someone else and he could have defended Sax for
completely different reasons...


If Sax is the Oracle, we can fairly safely assume Flow is the Seraph. He was the only one who defended the Oracle and Sati from the start.

Also voting Sax off will kill him we have established, it sounded like you missed that. Perhaps I was crazy.
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Re: The Matrix mafia || Day 1

Postby Commander9 on Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:54 pm

edocsil wrote:If Sax is the Oracle, we can fairly safely assume Flow is the Seraph. He was the only one who defended the Oracle and Sati from the start.

Also voting Sax off will kill him we have established, it sounded like you missed that. Perhaps I was crazy.


Only one? Who was the first one who defended Sati?.. And who was associated with both of them from the start? (just asking) Also, Flow, it would be helpful if you would indeed say whether you are Seraph?

No, I didn't miss it and that's why I unvoted.
But... It was so artistically done.
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Re: The Matrix mafia || Day 1

Postby Haggis_McMutton on Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:25 am

Sigh, I was hoping that one of the guys that was pushing for Sax's lynch would claim oracle, but looks like that won't happen.
I'd really like to LaL, but I'm not willing to kill the oracle for principle, so unvote.

But, please, please, tell me Sax that you've learned something from this whole debacle, in 99.5% of cases town should not blatantly lie to town like you did, please don't do it again(in any game).
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Re: The Matrix mafia || Day 1

Postby 00iCon on Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:35 pm

safariguy5 wrote:So we're pretty sure Sax is Oracle and Flow is Seraph. Hm... I'll go with xuereb for submarining again. I say we get him to speak up or get unplugged.

vote xuereb

I was just about to suggest this. I think its a bunch of townies(and 1 unidetifiable maifa) arguing with each other. Also tails hasn't posted in a while.
I am also getting suspicious of /. Hammering me, and trying to restart the wagon on Sax.
too bad i can't vote.
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Re: The Matrix mafia || Day 1

Postby 00iCon on Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:43 pm

i was gonna add, since edoc was willing to be investigated, maybe get a lesser investigative role on him, not oracle. Sax should target /. I suspect we would have a lesser investigative role.
Oh no! what if edoc is like paranoid gun owner scum and kills whoever does an action against him!
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Re: The Matrix mafia || Day 1

Postby safariguy5 on Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:45 pm

00iCon wrote:i was gonna add, since edoc was willing to be investigated, maybe get a lesser investigative role on him, not oracle. Sax should target /. I suspect we would have a lesser investigative role.
Oh no! what if edoc is like paranoid gun owner scum and kills whoever does an action against him!

I'm pretty sure PGO scum would be pretty overpowered as no vigs can kill him either.
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Re: The Matrix mafia || Day 1

Postby 00iCon on Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:48 pm

safariguy5 wrote:
00iCon wrote:i was gonna add, since edoc was willing to be investigated, maybe get a lesser investigative role on him, not oracle. Sax should target /. I suspect we would have a lesser investigative role.
Oh no! what if edoc is like paranoid gun owner scum and kills whoever does an action against him!

I'm pretty sure PGO scum would be pretty overpowered as no vigs can kill him either.

well, if we even have an oracle we would have other OP roles.
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Re: The Matrix mafia || Day 1

Postby edocsil on Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:09 pm

00iCon wrote:
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00iCon wrote:i was gonna add, since edoc was willing to be investigated, maybe get a lesser investigative role on him, not oracle. Sax should target /. I suspect we would have a lesser investigative role.
Oh no! what if edoc is like paranoid gun owner scum and kills whoever does an action against him!

I'm pretty sure PGO scum would be pretty overpowered as no vigs can kill him either.

well, if we even have an oracle we would have other OP roles.

Well as entertaining as that would be, PGOs are town. Wouldn't be in their interest to attract the cop.
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