Post-Apocalyptic Mafia - Town Wins! [Archive]

[Mr. Squirrel]

Please allow me the time to read this thread before you string me up @_@

You can basically skip the first 20 pages. Its all newb bashing pretty much. This game has probably more fluff than any other game I've had to read through. There are a shitload of posts but very little of them actually have any worth to them. Its better though in the last ten pages or so

Hey Commander! What is your deadline policy? Is it to lynch whoever has the most votes or is it just a no lynch?

[safariguy5]

Part of the reason for the fluff would be bad play by some of the more inexperienced people. Trial by fire as I say.

[MeDeFe]

Ah... so I'm being strung up for a lynch ATM am I?

Seeing how your predecessor acted, yes, pretty much.

Commander, could you consider extending the deadline since our biggest suspect atm has been replaced and the replacement has, as was mentioned, some 20 pages to go through to find out what's happened so far? It appears unfair to give Dlanor only 2 days or so to conquer such difficult circumstances and mount a defense.

Notwithstanding these considerations: vote Dlanor/fuzzy

A deadline is coming up and I would very much like to see at least a claim before it expires.

[Streaker]

COMMANDER9, I also request a (limited) extention of the deadline. At least give the replacement a weekend to catch up on over 20 pages on a rather complicated game


In case this won't happen, I'm gonna Vote Dlanor, as I really want a lynch over a no lynch. We need more info on this game...

[aage]

Ah... so I'm being strung up for a lynch ATM am I?

Well... I would like to note that I will not be running away.Also, this policy lynch of lurkers is kind of strange. Is there a deadline or something? I don't see one listed in the latest mod update. Is there no other lead to go on? I would think with no deadline, and 40 pages of posts to go on, only scum would want to overlook that kind of information in favor of a lurker lynch.

Please allow me the time to read this thread before you string me up @_@

You are the lead to go on.

Also, why are we talking about deadlines?

[aage]

Ah... so I'm being strung up for a lynch ATM am I?

Well... I would like to note that I will not be running away.Also, this policy lynch of lurkers is kind of strange. Is there a deadline or something? I don't see one listed in the latest mod update. Is there no other lead to go on? I would think with no deadline, and 40 pages of posts to go on, only scum would want to overlook that kind of information in favor of a lurker lynch.

Please allow me the time to read this thread before you string me up @_@

You are the lead to go on.

Also, why are we talking about deadlines?

nvm, just found out.

Right. Two days. Great.

[Commander9]

The only reason deadline was here just to get the game moving. Since there's a pick-up in activity, I'll gladly extend it till the next Friday.

@ Mr. Squirrel - I was thinking that if the day ends, it ends as no lynch.

[Streaker]

The only reason deadline was here just to get the game moving. Since there's a pick-up in activity, I'll gladly extend it till the next Friday.

@ Mr. Squirrel - I was thinking that if the day ends, it ends as no lynch.

Thanks for the info, and the extention. It would have been bad for a deadline by tomorrow, especially with a no-lynch.

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Fuzzy/Dlanor is at L-3, care for a claim?

[Dlanor A. Knox]

I'm not claiming until you present a case against me.

Other than "you were lurking" which wasn't me.

The only point for my lynch was the deadline, which is now over a week away. I want people to actually vote on something decent.

One more thing, claims don't come till L-1.

[Dlanor A. Knox]

Oh, and FoS: Streaker for rolefishing.

[aage]

I'm not claiming until you present a case against me.

Other than "you were lurking" which wasn't me.

The only point for my lynch was the deadline, which is now over a week away. I want people to actually vote on something decent.

One more thing, claims don't come till L-1.

Well, then that's two more votes.

You replaced a guy that has been acting scummy all throughout the game. The fact that you didn't do so doesn't disregard any actions the previous guy has taken. Your best shot right now is to convince us you're town (e.g. by claiming) instead of taking this stubborn "it wasn't me" stance. It won't get you, or us, anywhere.

[Dlanor A. Knox]

We have a week. What point is there in me claiming my role (which I'd rather not to), when there is time to do something more productive in the way of scumhunting.

Can you tell me what exactly was so :"scummy" on the part of Fuzzy? I haven't seen a case truly presented against him either.

[Fuzzylogic99]

sorry for breaking into the game. Thought i needed to explain .

My reason for leaving had nothing to do with the game. I have issues outside the game that came up and needs to be dealt with.Not going into detail but I decided that it was serious enough that pulling out of the game and focusing on this problem would be best for me in the long run. I did not want to pull out and wanted to continue even if it meant i would be lynched but like I said this issue needs more attention than I am giving it. Please do not conclude that me pulling out has anything to do with my guilt or innocence bc it does not.Best wishes to both sides and all the players involved

Fuzzylogic99

[edocsil]

We have a week. What point is there in me claiming my role (which I'd rather not to), when there is time to do something more productive in the way of scumhunting.

Can you tell me what exactly was so :"scummy" on the part of Fuzzy? I haven't seen a case truly presented against him either.

Basically he was on every single wagon, has said some things that didn't make much sense, it was apparent he was skimming a lot and not paying much attention to the thread. He didn't add anything to any of the arguments and misquoted a few people.

[safariguy5]

We have a week. What point is there in me claiming my role (which I'd rather not to), when there is time to do something more productive in the way of scumhunting.

Can you tell me what exactly was so :"scummy" on the part of Fuzzy? I haven't seen a case truly presented against him either.

Basically he was on every single wagon, has said some things that didn't make much sense, it was apparent he was skimming a lot and not paying much attention to the thread. He didn't add anything to any of the arguments and misquoted a few people.

Not to mention OMGUSing half the people on his wagon and declaring them all to be scum.

[MeDeFe]

I'm not claiming until you present a case against me.

Other than "you were lurking" which wasn't me.

The only point for my lynch was the deadline, which is now over a week away. I want people to actually vote on something decent.

One more thing, claims don't come till L-1.

Just read up on what you've missed and present a defense you think we'll believe. We're not in that much of a hurry any more with the extension, but over the weekend would be nice. If you don't want to claim until L-1 that's your choice, and I'm sure everyone respects it.

[Dlanor A. Knox]

We have a week. What point is there in me claiming my role (which I'd rather not to), when there is time to do something more productive in the way of scumhunting.

Can you tell me what exactly was so :"scummy" on the part of Fuzzy? I haven't seen a case truly presented against him either.

Basically he was on every single wagon, has said some things that didn't make much sense, it was apparent he was skimming a lot and not paying much attention to the thread. He didn't add anything to any of the arguments and misquoted a few people.

Not to mention OMGUSing half the people on his wagon and declaring them all to be scum.

Interesting. However, it would appear that there are players currently who wish to lynch me simply for the reason that "they have no other leads". A true town player would be questioning the lack of leads in this game, rather than contributing to it.

On another note, I don't wish to talk about on going games, but I have a current Meta on a player who has done just what you described. Thrown their vote around and called anyone who votes them scum. In fact, these situations are identical. Only difference is, that player is being ignored, because they have a "history" of doing it.

So I ask you, if this is a type of scumtell that can be passed off that easily in one game, what makes it any more valid in this one?

Finally, there is scum on this wagon. Do you see how fast it went up? No resistance at all? No one cared to step in and present a case on anything else. If I was scum, scum would have tried to lead the wagon elsewhere. While I accept the strategy of a bus, at this point in time, with the town wagons swinging on such things as "Let's Lynch Lurkers" and "He OMGUS'd", it wouldn't be difficult for scum to direct the lynch away from their players and on to easy targets (like Fuzzy).

I'm really suspicious about the person who wanted me to claim so early. Trying to draw out a claim like that, when the deadline had JUST been extended, is blatent rolefishing. IGMEOY Streaker.

Finally, I will be presenting cases. However, I'm really appalled at the lack of effort by town in this game. A lazy town makes it easy for scum to steamroll the lynches they want. I want to see people making cases beyond the one on Fuzzy/Me(because you've now made that case) and not LIMIT yourself to a singular lynch.

[Dlanor A. Knox]

The Case on Campin_Killer

Point #1:

Wow Justinasss bugging out when pressured? I think we should lynch him

Justinassss flipped town doctor when lynched. Mafia would know that Justinasss isn't scum fake claiming Jester. So either way, it would benefit scum to has the hammer fall on Justin (assuming that Jesters in this game are neutral and do not cause a loss-con in all other factions). Only scum would know that Justin wasn't scum, and would be the most likely to push his wagon.

Point #2: Active Lurking

Active lurking is the strategy of posting non-game related posts, in an attempt to look like you're playing the game hard, when really you are coasting. For example:

Epic Failure

I am fed up with your same reasoning again and again. You have written a very long post to claim you don't know nothing. And you are still waiting for my mystical explanation about I don't know what. Listen all

Then defend yourself instead of saying, with a gun at your head, "I'm not town, but I'm key to your survival"

I have my tactics. I know what I am doing. I know my role.

Well then, you sir, suck at playing mafia.

I CAN'T REVEAL IT TO YOU, SO DO NOT WAIT FOR THIS!!!!! The game wouldn't be interesting, then. How could I play with you if you know who I am???????

Because we a-Oh my God, Noooo. I can already imagine the amount of ammo I will have to buy for my .357. I can imagine the piles of targets full of holes out next to my garbage can. Let's make a deal right now Justin. If you claim and stop acting nooby. I will not lynch you.

Ah epic failure on my part #o

There are a lot more of those.

Point #3:

I'm going to put him at L-2 and hopefully nothing else happens after that. vote herk

+1 MeDeFe, why would Justin claim 3rd party

This is an example of Campin_Killer not really reading. Apparently you guys find that scummy here. I just call it null. In anycase, he twists MeDeFe's words, AND fails to realize that the whole reason Justin was lynched the previous day was for claiming Jester (3rd party). I find this unusual for someone who was so interested in leading that lynch.


Point #4: The disappearance of Campin

After the lynch of the Werewolf on Day 2, Campin has gone back into hiding. He has provided even less content than before.

He remains a top suspect for a lynch.

[Dlanor A. Knox]

I'll wait for input from the other players, or maybe a miracle might happen and Justin provides us with some actual information on his character.

I am fed up with your same reasoning again and again. You have written a very long post to claim you don't know nothing. And you are still waiting for my mystical explanation about I don't know what. Listen all:

I have my tactics. I know what I am doing. I know my role. I CAN'T REVEAL IT TO YOU, SO DO NOT WAIT FOR THIS!!!!! The game wouldn't be interesting, then. How could I play with you if you know who I am???????

So, the only thing I suggest is to try to find someone else to lynch.

From my previous game and analysis I have recently done, I am concluding this:

Unvote VOTE STEAKER - because you are the most concerned about my unrevealed role and you look the most suspicious and afraid of me. This is my final vote for Day1. My job on Day1 is done. Now everything is up to you.

This is a nice example of Streaker Rolefishing even on day 1.

[Dlanor A. Knox]

See the wealth of info that can be found? Come on town, step it up please.

[Dlanor A. Knox]

Also, the next person I will be making a case on will be Streaker. I saw quite a few posts of his in my read through that bugged me.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Knox, I've never played with you, but I am already starting to like you. You provide pretty good analysis in an organized and coherent manner and you seem to have a pretty good scum sense.

That said, your defense sucks. I'm not sure if this is due to your folly, or just because you are a replacement (its always hard to defend actions you didn't make) but regardless, I want to hear something a little more. Your response to the case against you is basically, "there are other leads out there so don't lynch me." However, that does nothing to dissuade us from still pursuing the case we had on fuzzy.

The accusations you make are largely based on your own wagon. They are good accusations, but if you turn up scum then they basically have no worth anymore. Until you can convince us you are town, its hard to take your accusations clearly. Regardless of how desperate the town may have been during the development of the case against fuzzy, the fact remains that there is a case and you aren't defending yourself very well.
unvote now that the pressure of the deadline is off and it seems like we are going to have some good answers.

[Dlanor A. Knox]

I can't defend myself for something I didn't do. It's impossible for me to know what Fuzzy was thinking. All I know is that Fuzzy had town intent in his actions. And since that can't be confirmed at this point, we are at an impasse there. I can't defend myself properly, and nor can I stop trying to show you why I'm town.

Which is why I am focusing more on finding more info on other cases. If I can't defend myself, I will find people who are truly scum, and bring them to justice. It is then up to you to determine whether I am guilty or not, based upon my play AND Fuzzy's play.

I can't change what he did, all I can do is play the game as I would.

Consider this my last defense of Fuzzy's Logic. I will not attempt to argue it again because it's a mute point.

If you think Fuzzy's bad play outweighs mine, then lynch me. I read his stuff, he IS as bad as you say.

However, if you want to take a chance on me, let me build my cases, and show you why I'm town, by creating new leads for you to follow.

Is this adequate?

[edocsil]

It is adequate. Fair warning though, if a few of the lynched you suggest turn out to be town you might get back into the hot seat.
Oh and UNVOTE

[Dlanor A. Knox]

It is adequate. Fair warning though, if a few of the lynched you suggest turn out to be town you might get back into the hot seat.
Oh and UNVOTE

As with any game, there can never be 100% confidence in anything. If the people I target continually turn up town, it is a correct move to suspect me.