Post-Apocalyptic Mafia - Town Wins! [Archive]

[jeraado]

I too will unvote. Your defense (if I am interpreting it correctly) is that fuzzy's scumminess was probably due to bad play, rather than trying to play a role a certain way. If it was in any way related to the role then you would be expected to give an explanation. Given that the case against fuzzy wasn't open and shut it makes sense that we should give dlanor a chance to play the role himself before we start putting pressure on. That being said, any scumminess from dlanor will be amplified by fuzzy's past actions.

Also, just so you are aware, I think around here a claim at l-2 is more the norm since there are a few players who may hammer you without waiting for a claim.

The case against campin is an interesting one. I think for me what I'm stuggling with is the way the two lynches so far have gone down. Let's be honest, there was no way justinasss was going to live after the way he handled being questioned, so it is difficult to really take much from that other than voting position and any specific comments. Obviously herk was always going to be lynched after he turned up non-human, although as skoffin has pointed out the fast voting meant that we didnt learn much from day 2.

The other points relating to campin make sense. I'd like to hear from him so for now FOS campin_killer

[Dlanor A. Knox]

Oh, I can explain one thing though.

From role information, I think Jeraado is a liar. I.E: My role literally states that I think Jeraado is a liar.

This would explain any unprompted attacks on Jeraado by Fuzzy.

Beyond that, I can't justify him.

[jeraado]

Really? My role doesn't mention any other character but someone hates me (I can't remember who but will look back and find out at some point) and you think I'm a liar?

I can't see how it fits with my actual role though

[jeraado]

... just re-read and it was fuzzy/dlanor who hates me

[Streaker]

I'll wait for input from the other players, or maybe a miracle might happen and Justin provides us with some actual information on his character.

I am fed up with your same reasoning again and again. You have written a very long post to claim you don't know nothing. And you are still waiting for my mystical explanation about I don't know what. Listen all:

I have my tactics. I know what I am doing. I know my role. I CAN'T REVEAL IT TO YOU, SO DO NOT WAIT FOR THIS!!!!! The game wouldn't be interesting, then. How could I play with you if you know who I am???????

So, the only thing I suggest is to try to find someone else to lynch.

From my previous game and analysis I have recently done, I am concluding this:

Unvote VOTE STEAKER - because you are the most concerned about my unrevealed role and you look the most suspicious and afraid of me. This is my final vote for Day1. My job on Day1 is done. Now everything is up to you.

This is a nice example of Streaker Rolefishing even on day 1.

Eh, I'll reread that whole chapter this weekend, but for now i'll say this:

'Rolefishing' on a guy that claimed Third Party isn't really a scumtell... If you read through that whole day, you will find out why I was so keen on Justinassss to be hung.
If anyone is responsible for his lynch, it would be himself.

[Streaker]

I'm not claiming until you present a case against me.

Other than "you were lurking" which wasn't me.

The only point for my lynch was the deadline, which is now over a week away. I want people to actually vote on something decent.

One more thing, claims don't come till L-1.

I will stand corrected, as you have a very good point. There is no need for a claim at this stage, with the extended deadline.

I will not be unvoting you, as I still believe fuzzy was acting scummy. You have plenty time now to prove your case(s) against other players (including myself, then), and I look forward to more of your analyses.

[aage]

Dlanor, I agree that you haven't acted scummy so far, except dodging our accusations on Fuzzy/you.

The point is, if you hadn't replaced we probably would have lynched Fuzzy because he's been a scumbag all day long. We related this to his role, as in "he's scummy, probably he's part of the mafia".
The fact that you replaced him doesn't change anything about that. Your role stays the same, only the way you handle it becomes different.

However, your new posts pretty much convinced me that our relation between Fuzzy and a scumrole was a wrong one. I will unvote as well.

As on your case on Campin_, it relies very much on two things. You assume only Scum want to lynch people, and you relate the fact that he's absent at the moment with a scummy role. I'm not sure if I agree with you on those two points. Frankly Justinasss seemed like a scummy trying to bluff his way out of a lynch, and it's the town's job to lynch scum. 1+1=2 --> lynch justinasss. As for the absence, it's slightly disturbing but I'm sure he can provide an explanation. If not we can always pressure him more.

[MeDeFe]

Point #3:

I'm going to put him at L-2 and hopefully nothing else happens after that. vote herk

+1 MeDeFe, why would Justin claim 3rd party

This is an example of Campin_Killer not really reading. Apparently you guys find that scummy here. I just call it null. In anycase, he twists MeDeFe's words, AND fails to realize that the whole reason Justin was lynched the previous day was for claiming Jester (3rd party). I find this unusual for someone who was so interested in leading that lynch.

A small comment on this. I don't consider him to have twisted my words. When I early in day 2 wondered why Justin would claim 3rd party when he was town (at least the colour indicates that he was) I was truly baffled, I still am. What's the point? Even the noobiest newb should realize that it's better to claim town than 3rd party when one is close to being lynched. It was probably only due to Justin really being that bad and is not relevant to the game any more, even so, my mind remains boggled. I suppose CK felt the same, agreement can often be voiced very briefly. Especially when what you agree with is only 2 posts up in the thread.

Overall you make a fairly compelling case against him, though. Not compelling enough to vote for him until he's put his foot in his mouth, but fairly compelling.

[safariguy5]

True, and given how the two previous day lynches have gone, we might finally get some nice voting patterns out of today's vote patterns.

[jeraado]

it will be interesting although whats the bet a couple of people are very careful this time about when they vote

[safariguy5]

At this point, the longer Campin doesn't post, the more likely I think he's going to be the lynch target. Going silent without reason is never good especially when making accusations.

unvote vote Campin_Killer

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Hey all sorry for going dark I've been trying to catch up in classes. I've caught up in one of my other games, and I going to go through this one again either later on tonight or tomorrow before work.

Good to see Knox replace, usually has something to say, if a bit confrontational.

-Tails

[Dlanor A. Knox]

Hey all sorry for going dark I've been trying to catch up in classes. I've caught up in one of my other games, and I going to go through this one again either later on tonight or tomorrow before work.

Good to see Knox replace, usually has something to say, if a bit confrontational.

-Tails

I'm sorry if it comes off that way. I just refuse to go halfway when making accusations. If you waver in making a case against someone, how are you supposed to expect people to believe what you say? :/

In any case, the second case will be up later today.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

No it's cool Knox, this game is different. Just in the Unmafia game you were, but this one not so much, so that's all I had to go off of. Anyway I look forward to your second case.

As for CK, I like parts of your case against him, mostly the active submarining. However could you explain this part:

Mafia would know that Justinasss isn't scum fake claiming Jester. So either way, it would benefit scum to has the hammer fall on Justin (assuming that Jesters in this game are neutral and do not cause a loss-con in all other factions). Only scum would know that Justin wasn't scum, and would be the most likely to push his wagon.

At least from my point of view, I wouldn't want a Jester to win, because that means I can only come in second place. So if I were mafia and I knew that Justin wasn't on my team, all the while claiming Jester, I'd still be hesitant to call his bluff. Maybe the game would continue on, but after "losing" I wouldn't really care that much. I think the same could go for any faction. Again, though, maybe that's just me, but I would hate to see a Jester win, even if the game continues on.

I would like to hear from CK, but he's been absent lately. His profile says he hasn't even logged on since the 20th. Hopefully Commander can get a replacement for him.

-Tails

[Commander9]

I would like to hear from CK, but he's been absent lately. His profile says he hasn't even logged on since the 20th. Hopefully Commander can get a replacement for him.

-Tails

I'm still searching for a replacements...

[Dlanor A. Knox]

The Pros and Cons of Streaker

Pros:

Point 1: His cases are very succinct and to the point. He tells you want he wants you to know. He's very convincing and in your face with his points. He doesn't waver.

Point 2: He shows town motivation in some of his actions ( caution with the Justin lynch is an example).

Point 3: He effectively runs his own game. He doesn't sheep off of any other players ideas. We can conclude from this that he is at least useful to town.

Cons:

Point 1: Rolefishing. On its own, Rolefishing isn't a major tell. Town does it too... but it's something that you need keep an eye on. Revealed roles help mafia a lot more than they aid town.

Point 2: Passive Aggressive. His cases on players are tactfully refined. He posts them and makes it look like he's sure they are scum, but he also posts things that distance him from the case should it turn out badly. Assuming there are 2 scum factions, even mafia has to scum hunt, to kill the other faction. Thus, they must be careful in how they post cases. I dislike how he unvotes Justin on day 1, and then proceeds to post an extensive case on him, which is essentially designed to get others to vote him. Contradictions.

Analysis:

Streaker is interesting. I can seem him being from either scum faction ATM. He is someone I would keep an eye on, but is not lynch worthy today. I feel that if he is scum, he's playing the "I'm going to find the second scum faction and lynch them, so I look town" card. This is useful for town because, well, he will continue to help us find one of the two scum factions and post content. Content is good for analysis. Active lurking is not.

With this slightly abbreviated case, I fully endorse a Campin lynch today.

Vote: Campin

[Skoffin]

I'm not so sure on Camp. While I do feel that anyone who insisted on Justin appear scummy for doing so, I don't quite see you on the other points. The rest of it is about fluff posts and lurking. Fluff is also scummy for the most part, but it also seems like something that camp just does. It does not stand out among his usual behaviour, feel free to correct me if I am wrong on that though. As for lurking, it seems a lot of the players here are doing that. Add that to the fact that camp has not logged into the site for a while suggests to me that it's not just your standard submarining, he's just not here.

[naxus]

Usually if campin's around he'll drop some sort of line in here so I agree with Skoff that he's just not on CC.

Also Dlanor(and skoff some), You've never played a game with Herk otherwise you'd know that fluff isnt always a sign of scummyness but some peoples stlye

[edocsil]

Usually if campin's around he'll drop some sort of line in here so I agree with Skoff that he's just not on CC.

Also Dlanor(and skoff some), You've never played a game with Herk otherwise you'd know that fluff isnt always a sign of scummyness but some peoples stlye

QFT on both accounts. Some time ago I sent CK a role PM for another mafia and he hasn't even read it and so was replaced. I guess I would rather see replaced then lynched, but then again there are several people I would like to see replaced. On the fence still, but if I don't see something else to pounce on I say we go for CK.

[Dlanor A. Knox]

Usually if campin's around he'll drop some sort of line in here so I agree with Skoff that he's just not on CC.

Also Dlanor(and skoff some), You've never played a game with Herk otherwise you'd know that fluff isnt always a sign of scummyness but some peoples stlye

QFT on both accounts. Some time ago I sent CK a role PM for another mafia and he hasn't even read it and so was replaced. I guess I would rather see replaced then lynched, but then again there are several people I would like to see replaced. On the fence still, but if I don't see something else to pounce on I say we go for CK.

So your argument is Meta?

No facts?

Great job.

[aage]

Usually if campin's around he'll drop some sort of line in here so I agree with Skoff that he's just not on CC.

Also Dlanor(and skoff some), You've never played a game with Herk otherwise you'd know that fluff isnt always a sign of scummyness but some peoples stlye

QFT on both accounts. Some time ago I sent CK a role PM for another mafia and he hasn't even read it and so was replaced. I guess I would rather see replaced then lynched, but then again there are several people I would like to see replaced. On the fence still, but if I don't see something else to pounce on I say we go for CK.

So your argument is Meta?

No facts?

Great job.

Well, the fact is that CK is absent. You seem to make a big deal out of that. Call it meta if you like, but it is a fact.

[edocsil]

Usually if campin's around he'll drop some sort of line in here so I agree with Skoff that he's just not on CC.

Also Dlanor(and skoff some), You've never played a game with Herk otherwise you'd know that fluff isnt always a sign of scummyness but some peoples stlye

QFT on both accounts. Some time ago I sent CK a role PM for another mafia and he hasn't even read it and so was replaced. I guess I would rather see replaced then lynched, but then again there are several people I would like to see replaced. On the fence still, but if I don't see something else to pounce on I say we go for CK.

So your argument is Meta?

No facts?

Great job.

I believe that the others have stated the facts several times, I have nothing to add to that case beyond the fact that he is truly gone. It is also the reason for me being on the fence, the ideas really are not mine.

[safariguy5]

Usually if campin's around he'll drop some sort of line in here so I agree with Skoff that he's just not on CC.

Also Dlanor(and skoff some), You've never played a game with Herk otherwise you'd know that fluff isnt always a sign of scummyness but some peoples stlye

QFT on both accounts. Some time ago I sent CK a role PM for another mafia and he hasn't even read it and so was replaced. I guess I would rather see replaced then lynched, but then again there are several people I would like to see replaced. On the fence still, but if I don't see something else to pounce on I say we go for CK.

So your argument is Meta?

No facts?

Great job.

I believe that the others have stated the facts several times, I have nothing to add to that case beyond the fact that he is truly gone. It is also the reason for me being on the fence, the ideas really are not mine.

I've seen Meta used several times and by experienced players and I think it's a valid strategy. I personally prefer lynching a submariner than go to deadline with a no lynch because we didn't have a solid case on anyone.

[Commander9]

Lynching for Day 3:


Fuzzy/Dlanor (4) - Mr. Squirrel, Naxus, MeDeFe, Streaker
Thez (1) - TG
jeraado (1) - Saxlad,
Campin (2) - Dlanor, Safari

With 18 alive, 10 to lynch.

Looking for replacements. Deadline this coming Friday at night.

[Dlanor A. Knox]

Knox, I've never played with you, but I am already starting to like you. You provide pretty good analysis in an organized and coherent manner and you seem to have a pretty good scum sense.

That said, your defense sucks. I'm not sure if this is due to your folly, or just because you are a replacement (its always hard to defend actions you didn't make) but regardless, I want to hear something a little more. Your response to the case against you is basically, "there are other leads out there so don't lynch me." However, that does nothing to dissuade us from still pursuing the case we had on fuzzy.

The accusations you make are largely based on your own wagon. They are good accusations, but if you turn up scum then they basically have no worth anymore. Until you can convince us you are town, its hard to take your accusations clearly. Regardless of how desperate the town may have been during the development of the case against fuzzy, the fact remains that there is a case and you aren't defending yourself very well.
unvote now that the pressure of the deadline is off and it seems like we are going to have some good answers.

@Mod: Pretty sure you missed this unvote.

/does not want to be lynched