Rolegift Mafia, All Present

[spiesr]

Something that I just noticed:

That night many gifts were opened, the fortunate few began a war amongst themselves "I know you are scum *name omitted*" said a possessed voice, he shot at his target "I'm not your target! I'm GA7!" "liar! I can see it's you as clearly as I see your shirt!" GA exploded into a dramatic movie explosion the moment the shot hit his gifts (a pile of explosives) engulfing him as he said "No! I switched the names....." The only thing remaining was a name-tag on the ground identifying GA with the name of the real intended target, which the killer took with him. "heh, I knew it was you, liar" said the killer, satisfied as he left the scene.GA, Town Kill Gifter has been killed!
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Could this mean that ga7 recieved the busdriver gift and used it on himself?

[naxus]

Ga7 busdriving himself seems incredibly risky given the random nature of this game.

The killer of GA7 feels like a serial Killer or vig. But a SK gift seems somewhat cray to me.

Kwans Ouja board for an investigation seems somewhat shaky for being a basic cop, Could be paranoid along with insane. for the moment FOS Kwan

[Fircoal]

Ga7 busdriving himself seems incredibly risky given the random nature of this game.

Actually it sounds like what Frenchie-chan would dozel (and what he's done as a mafia bus driver in teh past)

[safariguy5]

Something wouldn't add up if ga7 did busdrive himself. Mr. Squirrel is saying that the protection on ga7 didn't work. He's also saying that the guilty investigation that I got on him (verified by two people) may have been due to a busdrive. But that can't be true if ga7 switched himself and Mr. Squirrel because then Mr. Squirrel should have come up town. The only possibility is that maybe a framer targeted Mr. Squirrel which is possible, but logically right now, I don't see how Mr. Squirrel could have gotten a guilty result from a busdrive.

vote Mr. Squirrel

[Commander9]

As for Commander9, it seems that he is claiming to have to gift the investigation that kwanton received. If that is true then it could be a shame to lose that ability, unless of course he is scum, or if the ability turns out to be some sort or useless vairient such as paranoid. As for the Ouija board itself, it could definitely be some sort of alternate sanity cop. I went to go look-up some variants of investigative roles, but didn't really find much. Is it possible that it could be a seer? There hasn't been any mention of werewolves or anything in this game so it seems unlikely, but I am not sure we can rule it out just yet. Back to commanders claim, do you think it is possible that he is lying about being the one to send the investigation to kwanton in order lure out the real owner, thinking that he is going to go down anyway? On another point, he claims to have received mayor powers to stop the lynch and says that he will use them to save himself. At this point there is no way to tell for sure if he is telling the truth about that. Do we even want to take the risk of him forcing a lynch no lynch day, or do we want to go for squirrel today and save commander for tomorrow or something?

Well, I'd rather be investigated by someone else before being lynched or NK'd, because the only way I could be not pro-town is that if I do not know that, thus I am fairly certain Kwan is not exactly telling the truth. The only way he could be telling the truth is that if I give insane/paranoid cop roles...

As far as that timely gift, I can guarantee that no one will come out (and if he will, he'll be lying), unless he'd be lying. I'm getting a feeling I won't survive until night 3, but I also hope that people will be able to draw conclusions after my death about a couple's alignment.

[/quote=spiesr]So you are saying that it was a bad decision to send an investigative power to someone who was suspicious of you? It seems like it would only be bad if you are actually scum.[/quote]

OR if you considered that person rather scummy and your hunch was right?

What if one of these cop roles is from a MAFIA COP GIFTER!!!!!!!!! They could both be sane and / is messing around with us. O.O

Or cop's gift could have went to mafia...

[aage]

Ga7 busdriving himself seems incredibly risky given the random nature of this game.

Actually it sounds like what Frenchie-chan would dozel (and what he's done as a mafia bus driver in teh past)

Well then who do you think he would busdrive himself with?

[Fircoal]

Ga7 busdriving himself seems incredibly risky given the random nature of this game.

Actually it sounds like what Frenchie-chan would dozel (and what he's done as a mafia bus driver in teh past)

Well then who do you think he would busdrive himself with?

Not sure, I think in the past I've seen him doing it with peopel that wouldn't normally be targetted. (People more tending to be more inactive,) Though I may be remembering wrongly.

[spiesr]

Well, I'd rather be investigated by someone else before being lynched or NK'd, because the only way I could be not pro-town is that if I do not know that, thus I am fairly certain Kwan is not exactly telling the truth. The only way he could be telling the truth is that if I give insane/paranoid cop roles...

Well, I personally would think that an insane or paranoid cop power is more likely than kwanton lying about the investigation. Simply put, if he is lying, he will shortly be screwed over becuase of it. I don't see how getting you lynched would be worth that to him.

What if one of these cop roles is from a MAFIA COP GIFTER!!!!!!!!! They could both be sane and / is messing around with us. O.O

The way the game looks to me, I would assume that scum have gifts just like everybody else. It is certainly possible for the scum have a gift like cop then, but I don't see how that effects anything. Everyone has a gift. Some people also happen to be scum. Those two things don't have anything bearing on each other.

[Skoffin]

It's actually my anniversary today so I'll not be on long, I just wanted to mention though:

Congrats! If you don't mind me asking, how young did you become?

I'm a bit puzzled by this, perhaps our cultures have different phrasing. XD It was the mark of my two year relationship with my boyfriend, and one year of living with him (and being in this country).

So you are saying that it was a bad decision to send an investigative power to someone who was suspicious of you? It seems like it would only be bad if you are actually scum.

Actually, I would consider it to be bad to be investigated at any point (unless you are at severe risk of being lynched.. or are mafia I suppose) for, as a townie, I would already know I am a townie. It's usually better to have other people ruled out then to have a cop confirm you're town.
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As for bus-driving, it actually can be a damn good move to switch yourself with someone. If you are someone that is highly likely to be targeted (which Ga7 is) then your best option is to try to preserve yourself by switching with someone who you believe is least likely to be killed.
Based on the scene I am willing to deduce that Ga7 did indeed receive a bus-drive ability, which does make it possible that Squirrel was driven.

I'm also going to make a wild assumption here and suggest that it's likely that actions will not entirely affect a player as they would in most games. Example being: A gets 4 gifts, B blocks A. Instead all 4 being blocked, one is randomly blocked. This theory, assuming all info regarding squirrels gifts are true, could be an explanation as to why seemingly only certain aspects of roles got switched and left the others to go through.

I get a sense that Squirrel is leaning town, but he also seems to be a clever one that could be throwing me off. Thing is, mafia want as many variables on their side as possible (And I think Squirrel knows that) so the fact that squirrel confirmed himself (not knowing someone else would be able to confirm in anyway) that safari did indeed visit him gives squirrel more credibility to me. By confirming this he effectively removes variables such as safari could be faking his visit, and mafia need more doubt on their side.

I can't really tell which of the four could be lying at this point and about what, mafia could easily hide around the fact that no one knows what they gave to who and mafia may feel more comfortable then usual with being bold - after all, if they give a claim they can still claim that they just used what was given them and it wasn't their fault. Sometimes it's worthwhile to sacrifice a mafia to kill off a few town, and as it will likely take us a few days before we can really figure out what really happened then it's definitely a great opportunity for mafia to have done so. Thus I'm not going to assume that the cops are all clear here.
I'll have to think over this tonight before I can feel right in casting a vote.

Last thing is, whomever we lynch I hope it's because we collectively thought they were most scummy. I don't like the notion of lynching for the sake of sanity testing, or one over the other simply because we're worried the other could stop a lynch. Overall that won't be helpful to us.

[ga7]

Go town

[Commander9]

Well, I personally would think that an insane or paranoid cop power is more likely than kwanton lying about the investigation. Simply put, if he is lying, he will shortly be screwed over becuase of it. I don't see how getting you lynched would be worth that to him.

He could always make up an excuse... and I've seen this strategy working in other games.

@ Skoff (didn't want to quote that huge post)

Yes, I have to agree we have to go with the scuminess, but so far there has been no clear candidate judging by who's behaviour we would be sure that he's probably one of the scum.

As far as my gift goes (flavour cop), we can test it tonight - a town can either vote who they want me to send it to or I can choose it on my own and undisclose tomorrow. I'd rather do it myself, but I can understand people not wanting to trust me (especially if I'd be a scum, I could just chooce a scum buddy to clear for me), so the 1st option is probably a better one.

[safariguy5]

Well, I personally would think that an insane or paranoid cop power is more likely than kwanton lying about the investigation. Simply put, if he is lying, he will shortly be screwed over becuase of it. I don't see how getting you lynched would be worth that to him.

He could always make up an excuse... and I've seen this strategy working in other games.

@ Skoff (didn't want to quote that huge post)

Yes, I have to agree we have to go with the scuminess, but so far there has been no clear candidate judging by who's behaviour we would be sure that he's probably one of the scum.

As far as my gift goes (flavour cop), we can test it tonight - a town can either vote who they want me to send it to or I can choose it on my own and undisclose tomorrow. I'd rather do it myself, but I can understand people not wanting to trust me (especially if I'd be a scum, I could just chooce a scum buddy to clear for me), so the 1st option is probably a better one.

Is nobody else suspicious of Mr. Squirrel here? I just used logic to prove how a busdrive by ga7 shouldn't have resulted in a guilty investigation, I've had my investigation confirmed by two people to be true, and based on the gift I got (Library Access Card), I'm pretty sure I'm probably sane. This is probably the only game where investigations can be revealed any time and nobody seems to think we should pursue this lead further?

[spiesr]

Is nobody else suspicious of Mr. Squirrel here? This is probably the only game where investigations can be revealed any time and nobody seems to think we should pursue this lead further?

I do, but the Squirrel stole my vote. On a related note, Mr. Squirrel, would you kindly use my vote on yourself?

[Commander9]

Is nobody else suspicious of Mr. Squirrel here? I just used logic to prove how a busdrive by ga7 shouldn't have resulted in a guilty investigation, I've had my investigation confirmed by two people to be true, and based on the gift I got (Library Access Card), I'm pretty sure I'm probably sane. This is probably the only game where investigations can be revealed any time and nobody seems to think we should pursue this lead further?

I've said by behaviour only (answering Skoffin's post). As you may notice, my vote at the moment is on him.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Well, I personally would think that an insane or paranoid cop power is more likely than kwanton lying about the investigation. Simply put, if he is lying, he will shortly be screwed over becuase of it. I don't see how getting you lynched would be worth that to him.

He could always make up an excuse... and I've seen this strategy working in other games.

@ Skoff (didn't want to quote that huge post)

Yes, I have to agree we have to go with the scuminess, but so far there has been no clear candidate judging by who's behaviour we would be sure that he's probably one of the scum.

As far as my gift goes (flavour cop), we can test it tonight - a town can either vote who they want me to send it to or I can choose it on my own and undisclose tomorrow. I'd rather do it myself, but I can understand people not wanting to trust me (especially if I'd be a scum, I could just chooce a scum buddy to clear for me), so the 1st option is probably a better one.

Is nobody else suspicious of Mr. Squirrel here? I just used logic to prove how a busdrive by ga7 shouldn't have resulted in a guilty investigation, I've had my investigation confirmed by two people to be true, and based on the gift I got (Library Access Card), I'm pretty sure I'm probably sane. This is probably the only game where investigations can be revealed any time and nobody seems to think we should pursue this lead further?

I'm fighting as hard as I can because I know I am not scum. Idk if there is a framer ability or what but there has to be some reason I came up scum and I am hoping to find out before you all lynch me. The busdriving was my first bet, but now it seems unlikely. Idk what else I can do.

If there is a framer, its likely we won't find it out until I am dead. Its likely a mafia power and the scum probably sent their gifts to each other yesterday. If I am lynched, I would hedge my bets on spiesr next. His baseless BW reasons yesterday really set off my scumdar and though I haven't gotten anything on him today (besides advocating my lynch, but thats omgus and doesn't really help) I still think he could be a goon.

Although he's the one trying hardest to kill me, Safariguy just seems like a townie adamant about lynching his 'confirmed' scum. And his reasons seem fairly legit. In someone else's shoes, I would probably be voting for me right now too.

[naxus]

Could safariguy be a lyncher with squirell as his target?

[spiesr]

Could safariguy be a lyncher with squirell as his target?

Well, I suppose that it is hard to rule out any possibilities, but such a scenario seems pretty unlikely based on what little we know about this game. Then nature of this game appears to make it extremely easy to win as a lyncher on day 2. You just pretend to have received whatever roles that you needed to incriminate your target. While normally lying would be risky in this game, as in the long run there is too good of a chance that your lies will be uncovered and come back to bite you, if you can win the entire game in just one day you can totally take the risk of lying a bit. In fact as far as I can tell, having a lyncher in a game where it is not announced to have a lyncher is almost always unbalanced in favor of the lyncher.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Well, it's obviously between Commander and Squirrel here.

My gut feeling is pointing towards Squirrel tbh. The fact that safari seems to be trying a lot harder to get this lynch than kwan is trying to get Commander contributes to this(a town investigator with a guilty result should do anything in his power to convince town of what he's saying). Plus, 2 people have indeed lended credence to safari's claim.
Basically, Squirrel seems like our best bet to me.

vote Squirrel

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Mr. Squirrel; 5 Golden Rings: Commander9, Fircoal, aage, safariguy5, Haggis_McMutton

It takes 7 swans-a-swimming to lynch

[safariguy5]

Could safariguy be a lyncher with squirell as his target?

No, I'm not a lyncher. Of course I have raised the possibility that there could be a framer who happened to target Mr. Squirrel. If so, that's a tragic coincidence, but given the number of players, the odds don't play in favor of that.

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TA1LGUNN3R has replaced Campin_killer

[Mr. Squirrel]

So... what's going to happen here? Am I gonna get lynched or what?

[spiesr]

So... what's going to happen here? Am I gonna get lynched or what?

Well, I support you being lynched, and at this point it looks like the most likely outcome at this point, but it also looks as if we are having a bit of trouble rounding up the necessary votes. If you hadn't stolen mine, then we would be just a bit closer. At this point it looks like your lynch is an inevitability, baring someone suddenly coming up with some compelling case to unite people elsewhere, just gotta wait for a couple stragglers to drift in a hop on the bandwagon. In fact, since you are at L-2 and have 2 votes, you could save us all some time by just finishing yourself off anytime now.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Confirm.

Hey all I've kinda followed this thread, but I have a calc test tomorrow, so I'll have to wait to completely read this until tomorrow after that. I don't know how many votes the Squirrel is at, so I won't say anything yet until I can get all the info. At least there's only 17 pages to read up on to D2 as opposed to the 40 page D1 Matrix mafia ::smiley for relief::

-The Dude abides.

[Mr. Squirrel]

So... what's going to happen here? Am I gonna get lynched or what?

Well, I support you being lynched, and at this point it looks like the most likely outcome at this point, but it also looks as if we are having a bit of trouble rounding up the necessary votes. If you hadn't stolen mine, then we would be just a bit closer. At this point it looks like your lynch is an inevitability, baring someone suddenly coming up with some compelling case to unite people elsewhere, just gotta wait for a couple stragglers to drift in a hop on the bandwagon. In fact, since you are at L-2 and have 2 votes, you could save us all some time by just finishing yourself off anytime now.

I won't lynch myself, but I will throw your vote on me if you so wish it. At this point I'm just tired of being in limbo so I either want to be cleared or lynched. I'll send / the pm now.