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Are Tea Baggers Racist?

Postby pimpdave on Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:17 am

A new study shows that the movement's supporters are more likely to be racially resentful.

Ever since the Tea Party phenomenon gathered steam last spring, it has been plagued by charges of racism. Placards at rallies have depicted President Barack Obama as a witch doctor, denounced his supposed plans for "white slavery," and likened Congress to a slave owner and the taxpayer to a "n----r." Opponents have seized on these examples as proof that Tea Partiers are angry white folks who can't abide having a black president. Supporters, on the other hand, claim that the hateful signs are the work of a small fringe and that they unfairly malign a movement that simply seeks to rein in big government. In the absence of empirical evidence to support either characterization, the debate has essentially deadlocked.

Until now, that is. A new survey by the University of Washington Institute for the Study of Ethnicity, Race & Sexuality offers fresh insight into the racial attitudes of Tea Party sympathizers. "The data suggests that people who are Tea Party supporters have a higher probability"—25 percent, to be exact—"of being racially resentful than those who are not Tea Party supporters," says Christopher Parker, who directed the study. "The Tea Party is not just about politics and size of government. The data suggests it may also be about race."

Surveyers asked respondents in California and a half dozen battleground states (like Michigan and Ohio) a series of questions that political scientists typically use to measure racial hostility. On each one, Tea Party backers expressed more resentment than the rest of the population, even when controlling for partisanship and ideology. When read the statement that "if blacks would only try harder, they could be just as well off as whites," 73 percent of the movement's supporters agreed, while only 33 percent of people who disapproved of the Tea Party agreed. Asked if blacks should work their way up "without special favors," as the Irish, Italians, and other groups did, 88 percent of supporters agreed, compared to 56 percent of opponents. The study revealed that Tea Party enthusiasts were also more likely to have negative opinions of Latinos and immigrants.

These results are bolstered by a recent New York Times/CBS News surveyfinding that white Tea Party supporters were more likely to believe that "the Obama administration favors blacks over whites" and that "too much has been made of the problems facing black people." The survey also showed that Tea Party sympathizers are whiter, older, wealthier, and more well-educated than the average American. They're "just as likely to be employed, and more likely to describe their economic situation as very or fairly good," according to a summary of the poll.

If Tea Party supporters are doing relatively fine, what are they so riled up about? These studies suggest that, at least in part, it's race. The country that the Tea Partiers grew up in is irrevocably changing. Last month, new demographic data showed that minority births are on the verge of outpacing white births. By 2050, Hispanics are expected to account for more than a quarter of the American population. The Tea Partiers "feel a loss … like their status has been diminished," says David Bositis of the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies, which examines issues of race. "If you listen to [their] language, it's always about 'taking our country back.' But it's really not taking the country back as is. It's taking the country back"—as in time.

Bositis finds the movement's arguments about reckless federal spending unpersuasive. Why, he asks, weren't they up in arms when President George W. Bush launched two costly wars and created a new unfunded mandate with his Medicare prescription-drug plan? Why didn't they take to the streets when he converted a surplus into a massive deficit? "I don't like to be in a position where I'm characterizing people as being racially biased," says Bositis. "But when the shoe fits, what do you do?" Given modern societal norms, "they know they can't use any overtly racist language," he contends. "So they use coded language"—questioning the patriotism of the president or complaining about "socialist" schemes to redistribute wealth.

The Tea Partiers bridle at such accusations. "That is so pathetic," says Danita Kilcullen, the founder of Tea Party Fort Lauderdale. "Nobody in the Tea Party movement that I know is a racist." She notes that she attends a church with a black pastor, supports a black candidate (Allen West) in a local congressional race, and backs a Latino candidate (Marco Rubio) for U.S. Senate. When a protestor showed up at one of her group's rallies with a racist sign, she says, she personally kicked him off the corner. "We absolutely don't tolerate anything like that," says Kilcullen. "Nobody uses the N word. Nobody calls Mexicans all those ugly things that people say. Those are lies about us." She concedes that the movement doesn't draw many African-Americans. "But that's because all the black people voted for Obama," she says. "Well, not all—but 90 percent." (It was actually 95 percent.)

Some Tea Partiers blame the media for casting them as racists. "It really makes me mad," says Tom Fitzhugh, a Tea party activist in Tampa. "They have tried to portray us as a bunch of radical extremists." He considers Obama an abomination—possibly "the most radical-voting senator that ever was" and someone likely to "take us down the path of destruction." He believes the administration is intent on taking away his guns, trampling on states' rights, and opening the borders with Canada and Mexico. He has serious doubts that Obama was born in the U.S. and suspects that the president is a closet Muslim. (There's no evidence to support any of these accusations.) But his anger has nothing to do with race, he says. The real issue is that Obama is "taking down the Constitution and the way it's governed us for [hundreds of] years." All he wants, in other words, is to take his country back.


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Re: Are Tea Baggers Racist?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:57 am

What's fun about those surveys is how you ask the questions, whether or not you use a grading scale (like Strongly Agree, Agree, Neutral, etc), and what population samples are being used. The Neutral option is very important, because sometimes the questions are slanted.
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Re: Are Tea Baggers Racist?

Postby got tonkaed on Tue Feb 08, 2011 1:21 pm

They methodology for that study really isnt all that bad to be honest. The sampling where the questions would be taken from the GSS, is pretty much the go to for social science research.

Having said that, it is quite clear what the limitations are in the study. It would be very difficult, as the lead investigator argues, to argue a causal bivariate relationship with some of the things they were using here. Furthermore, as they are trying to delve into a more latent form of racial prejudice, it becomes even murkier.

While I do not think one should simply put aside the fact that when you go from a min value to a max value that such a large variation in opinions occurs, its pretty clear that a survey of only a few states, which will ultimately overlap quite strongly with certain political positions about government and immigration that do not have a racially prejudiced prerequisite, is only a piecemeal addition to the literature on the issue.
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Re: Are Tea Baggers Racist?

Postby Night Strike on Tue Feb 08, 2011 2:34 pm

I still fail to see where a tea bag was actually questioned as your trolling title suggests. I guess we can just assume that you hate tea party members and are grasping at straws to justify your hate.


By the way, it's now racist to believe that handouts, especially ones based on race, are wrong? Sounds like a major stretch to me (typical of your hate though).
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Re: Are Tea Baggers Racist?

Postby Timminz on Tue Feb 08, 2011 2:42 pm

"Racially resentful".

Interesting term.
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Re: Are Tea Baggers Racist?

Postby natty dread on Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:02 pm

Night Strike wrote:By the way, it's now racist to believe that handouts, especially ones based on race, are wrong? Sounds like a major stretch to me (typical of your hate though).


Black people were oppressed for centuries, don't you think they're owed some compensation for that?
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Re: Are Tea Baggers Racist?

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:18 pm

natty_dread wrote:
Night Strike wrote:By the way, it's now racist to believe that handouts, especially ones based on race, are wrong? Sounds like a major stretch to me (typical of your hate though).


Black people were oppressed for centuries, don't you think they're owed some compensation for that?


So they're all the same?

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Re: Are Tea Baggers Racist?

Postby natty dread on Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:48 pm

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
natty_dread wrote:
Night Strike wrote:By the way, it's now racist to believe that handouts, especially ones based on race, are wrong? Sounds like a major stretch to me (typical of your hate though).


Black people were oppressed for centuries, don't you think they're owed some compensation for that?


So they're all the same?

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That's what I wrote?
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Re: Are Tea Baggers Racist?

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:58 pm

So let's say your great-great-grandfather was wronged in some way when he was a youth. Why do you deserve the reparations? What happened to people in the past that you don't even know shouldn't have bearing on the present. I'm not demanding money or jobs from the German gov't because they routed Poland. That's absurd.

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Re: Are Tea Baggers Racist?

Postby natty dread on Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:05 pm

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:So let's say your great-great-grandfather was wronged in some way when he was a youth. Why do you deserve the reparations? What happened to people in the past that you don't even know shouldn't have bearing on the present. I'm not demanding money or jobs from the German gov't because they routed Poland. That's absurd.

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Is it? What if you were still living poland, which would be a poor country, ravaged by the germans during war, and germany was sitting on top of a fortune of war spoils? Would you be saying that it would not be right for germany to pay compensation for the people of poland in this hypothetical scenario?
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Re: Are Tea Baggers Racist?

Postby thegreekdog on Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:06 pm

I do think some tea partiers are racist, yes... but not all of them. I'm not even sure if a majority of them are racist. The rallies I've been to (only 2) have never had any racist signs and only a few signs even mentioned the president or presidency.

Also, none of my relatives or ancestors owned slaves. So, can I be exempted from reparations? Or does asking that question make me racist? I just wanted to see where I stand: am I racist or not?
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Re: Are Tea Baggers Racist?

Postby jbrettlip on Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:20 pm

I saw this answered on MSNBC. YES, is the answer. Tea Baggers are racist and hate America. The Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt is pro-democracy and awesome. MSNBC where facts never get in the way of their reports.
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Re: Are Tea Baggers Racist?

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:27 pm

natty_dread wrote:
TA1LGUNN3R wrote:So let's say your great-great-grandfather was wronged in some way when he was a youth. Why do you deserve the reparations? What happened to people in the past that you don't even know shouldn't have bearing on the present. I'm not demanding money or jobs from the German gov't because they routed Poland. That's absurd.

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Is it? What if you were still living poland, which would be a poor country, ravaged by the germans during war, and germany was sitting on top of a fortune of war spoils? Would you be saying that it would not be right for germany to pay compensation for the people of poland in this hypothetical scenario?


It is. No, if I was living in Poland I would not want reparations from Germany. First of all, it would not solve anything. One of the (many) reasons Hitler even came into to power was the discontent Germans felt for being forced to pay reparations to the Allies from WWI, as outlined in the Treaty of Versailles. So not only did they have to rebuild their own country, they had to compensate the Allies' as well. Which would do nothing but lead to economic death. Second, it is ridiculous to me to sit around and wait for someone to pay my way, or "fix" the situation I'm in. I'll do that myself. And I believe that is comparable to the question at hand. American blacks shouldn't wait around for someone to give them money, because it likely won't happen, and even if it does, it'll just cause more racial discord. As TGD stated, (and to my knowledge the same goes for me), some peoples' ancestors never owned slaves. I don't even know if I had (white) American ancestors.

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Re: Are Tea Baggers Racist?

Postby Night Strike on Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:43 pm

natty_dread wrote:
Night Strike wrote:By the way, it's now racist to believe that handouts, especially ones based on race, are wrong? Sounds like a major stretch to me (typical of your hate though).


Black people were oppressed for centuries, don't you think they're owed some compensation for that?


If there is a black person still alive in the US who was a slave in the US, then he can be given some compensation. Otherwise, no, blacks do NOT deserve compensation simply for being black. Furthermore, I have never owned a slave, so why should I be punished for that?
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Re: Are Tea Baggers Racist?

Postby Aradhus on Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:48 pm

Everything in its right place.

Night Strike wrote:
natty_dread wrote:
Night Strike wrote:By the way, it's now racist to believe that handouts, especially ones based on race, are wrong? Sounds like a major stretch to me (typical of your hate though).


Black people were oppressed for centuries, don't you think they're owed some compensation for that?


If there is a black person still alive in the US who was a slave in the US, then he can be given some compensation. Otherwise, no, blacks do NOT deserve compensation simply for being black.


What about being black AND american?!
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Furthermore, I have never owned a slave, so why should I be punished for that?


Its yer face.
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Re: Are Tea Baggers Racist?

Postby Night Strike on Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:52 pm

Aradhus wrote:Everything in its right place.

Night Strike wrote:
natty_dread wrote:
Night Strike wrote:By the way, it's now racist to believe that handouts, especially ones based on race, are wrong? Sounds like a major stretch to me (typical of your hate though).


Black people were oppressed for centuries, don't you think they're owed some compensation for that?


If there is a black person still alive in the US who was a slave in the US, then he can be given some compensation. Otherwise, no, blacks do NOT deserve compensation simply for being black.


What about being black AND american?!
Night Strike wrote:
Furthermore, I have never owned a slave, so why should I be punished for that?


Its yer face.


So since my face is white, I have to be punished by giving my money to a person with a black face? Isn't that the definition of racism? Punishing a person solely because of their race?
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Re: Are Tea Baggers Racist?

Postby DangerBoy on Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:56 pm

Night Strike wrote:So since my face is white, I have to be punished by giving my money to a person with a black face? Isn't that the definition of racism? Punishing a person solely because of their race?


Their side thinks that by punishing the descendants of those who committed original civil & human rights offenses, that it will make up for those offenses. It used to be called revenge, but their side redefines it now as justice.

Yeah, I said "their", thus using extremely polarizing language.
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Re: Are Tea Baggers Racist?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:56 pm

thegreekdog wrote:I do think some tea partiers are racist, yes... but not all of them. I'm not even sure if a majority of them are racist. The rallies I've been to (only 2) have never had any racist signs and only a few signs even mentioned the president or presidency.

Also, none of my relatives or ancestors owned slaves. So, can I be exempted from reparations?


No, white boi, pay up.
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Re: Are Tea Baggers Racist?

Postby neanderpaul14 on Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:59 pm

Night Strike wrote:
natty_dread wrote:
Night Strike wrote:By the way, it's now racist to believe that handouts, especially ones based on race, are wrong? Sounds like a major stretch to me (typical of your hate though).


Black people were oppressed for centuries, don't you think they're owed some compensation for that?


If there is a black person still alive in the US who was a slave in the US, then he can be given some compensation. Otherwise, no, blacks do NOT deserve compensation simply for being black. Furthermore, I have never owned a slave, so why should I be punished for that?



Slave reparations are a crock of shit. Many Americans today didn't even have ancestors living here back then. Is that in anyway fair to these people in any way?

Furthermore if you're going to begin talking about slave reparations shouldn't we start asking the Italians to pay them to most of Europe, or maybe we should go back much further than that, slavery has existed since before written history. Maybe every country or ethnic group who ever wronged another throughout history should begin ponying some cash to the poor downtrodden party. This is fuckin' ridiculous
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Re: Are Tea Baggers Racist?

Postby The Bison King on Tue Feb 08, 2011 8:02 pm

This turned into a reparations conversation fast. As for me I think there's a big difference between compensation and over compensation. It's 2011 Slavery's been over for a LONG time. The people of the 21st century shouldn't be punished for the actions of the people who lived in the 19th century. Putting an end to racism means putting an end to treating people differently based on the color of their skin, good or bad. Besides it benefit's no-one to become dependent on special treatment. A proverb about teaching a man to fish comes to mind.
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Re: Are Tea Baggers Racist?

Postby Aradhus on Tue Feb 08, 2011 8:06 pm

Night Strike wrote:
Aradhus wrote:Everything in its right place.

Night Strike wrote:
natty_dread wrote:
Night Strike wrote:By the way, it's now racist to believe that handouts, especially ones based on race, are wrong? Sounds like a major stretch to me (typical of your hate though).


Black people were oppressed for centuries, don't you think they're owed some compensation for that?


If there is a black person still alive in the US who was a slave in the US, then he can be given some compensation. Otherwise, no, blacks do NOT deserve compensation simply for being black.


What about being black AND american?!
Night Strike wrote:
Furthermore, I have never owned a slave, so why should I be punished for that?


Its yer face.


So since my face is white, I have to be punished by giving my money to a person with a black face? Isn't that the definition of racism? Punishing a person solely because of their race?


No I meant since your face is annoying you should be punished, that its white is just a crispy side order of fries.
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Re: Are Tea Baggers Racist?

Postby jbrettlip on Tue Feb 08, 2011 11:17 pm

Perhaps Soros should give his wealth completely to Jewish survivors of the holocaust.
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Re: Are Tea Baggers Racist?

Postby patches70 on Tue Feb 08, 2011 11:36 pm

The son should not have to pay for the sins of his father. Nuff said. /thread
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Re: Are Tea Baggers Racist?

Postby thegreekdog on Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:06 am

patches70 wrote:The son should not have to pay for the sins of his father. Nuff said. /thread


And even if the son had to pay for the sings of the father, my father, his father, his father, his father, his father, etc. didn't own slaves. In fact, my ancestors weren't even in the US until the 1910s.

I think we should make all the states that were in the Confederacy at one point pay the reparations.
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Re: Are Tea Baggers Racist?

Postby pimpdave on Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:09 am

Yo guys, my family is still waiting on a thank you for freeing the slaves. Seriously, a few of my ancestors were big abolitionists and one even died in battle (and another wounded).

No one held slaves in my family history either, and even got along with the American Indians (that farmed, not the nomadic tribes that were attacking the farming tribes) near their settlement in upstate New York.
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