High school boy refuses to wrestle girl opponent

[tkr4lf]

Look at the ones here that disapprove of the boy's decision and would probably force him to wrestle if they had their way.

Nice try at turning it backwards. No one forces the boy to wrestle, at all.. THAT is the point. He can decide not to participate. THAT is his choice But, he cannot tell someone else they have to stay out. See, here is the problem. Today, he gets to decide that he won't wrestle women. Tommorrow, he decides he won't work with women. THAT truly is a problem.

He never did this. Did you read the article?

The kid never tried to make her not be able to play. He simply declined to wrestle against her. She moved on in the tournament.

So why all this jibberty jabberty about telling people they can play or whatever. That's not even what this is about.


To get to the original point, I sort of understand where the kid is coming from. It's like back when we would meet every Thursday to play basketball at my old church. One day, one of the guys brought his neice or something to play with us. Granted, she was like 3 years younger than me, so that could have affected it. Me being the youngest on our team, I had to gaurd her. Now, defense is my strongest point in basketball. And we would play a little rough. I went easy on her. I didn't feel right giving it my all. For one, I wouldn't want to hurt her. If I accidentally elbowed this girl while playing the way we normally did, and she started crying, I would feel like crap for making her cry. Not an exact parellel to the situation with the wrestler, but it's similar. Also, I wrestled for one year in 8th grade. I couldn't imagine wrestling a girl at a tournament. We would give it our all. I remember making a guy tap out with a crossface. Again, I wouldn't feel right doing that to a girl. If girls are going to wrestle, they should have their own league. They do it for basketball, they do it for boxing, why not for wrestling?

[Juan_Bottom]

Schools can't afford a separate league. They can only afford cheer leading.
I don't see any similarity between playing basketball with a younger girl and trying to physically hurt a girl who's trying to do the same to you.

What's with all these people afraid to wrestle a girl?

[PLAYER57832]

Look at the ones here that disapprove of the boy's decision and would probably force him to wrestle if they had their way.

Nice try at turning it backwards. No one forces the boy to wrestle, at all.. THAT is the point. He can decide not to participate. THAT is his choice But, he cannot tell someone else they have to stay out. See, here is the problem. Today, he gets to decide that he won't wrestle women. Tommorrow, he decides he won't work with women. THAT truly is a problem.

He never did this. Did you read the article?

The kid never tried to make her not be able to play. He simply declined to wrestle against her. She moved on in the tournament.

So why all this jibberty jabberty about telling people they can play or whatever. That's not even what this is about.

Because this part:

. If girls are going to wrestle, they should have their own league. They do it for basketball, they do it for boxing, why not for wrestling?

Makes it clear it IS very much what this thread is about.

See, some women are able to and WANT to compete against the guys.

Some women grow up needing to take jobs that requie them to compete against men, not just emotionally and intellectually, but physically as well.

[tkr4lf]

Schools can't afford a separate league. They can only afford cheer leading.
I don't see any similarity between playing basketball with a younger girl and trying to physically hurt a girl who's trying to do the same to you.

What's with all these people afraid to wrestle a girl?

Have you ever wrestled? The point of wrestling is not to hurt the other player. Well, it's part of it, but not the main point. You can't just say that we'd be trying to hurt each other. Hell, most matches are decided on points anyway. You get points for technical takedowns, etc. You CAN win by making your opponent tap out, but's it happens less often.

And when did anybody say they were afraid?

I already gave my reasons. It just doesn't feel right to me to go all out on a female. Perhaps it's the way I was raised.

And the similarity between the two is that I don't want to hurt a female. Plain and simple. I have no problem playing one on one basketball with a girl. I have before. And I've gotten my ass kicked by some. So, it has nothing to do with being afraid of losing. But my specific example, where we played rough, and somebody brought his younger neice or whatever, no, I'm not going to play as rough as if it was just us guys. If I elbow a guy, I'm pretty damn sure he's not gonna cry. I have to wonder about that if I elboy a girl while playing rough. Forgive me, but making a girl cry makes me feel like crap.

And, do you know how a crossface feels? Somebody has their forearm rammed up against your face pulling your head to the side in a forceful manner. Trust me, it doesn't feel good. I could easily see a girl crying over that. Hell, my first match in my first tournament, I made a guy tap out from using the crossface. Funny thing was, he was CRYING and slamming his hand down on the mat, trying to tap out, but his coach kept saying no to the ref. Finally, after the kid continued crying and frantically slapping the map to get the pain to end, his coach agreed and I won by submission. ( I was subsequently beat by a blind person...but that's another story.) Now, this made me fell good. The fact that I made some dude cry and tap out, made me feel great about myself. If it was a female that I made cry and tap out, I would have felt like crap.

Look, bottom line is that virtually every other sport is segregated by sex. So, why not wrestling?

[tkr4lf]

Look at the ones here that disapprove of the boy's decision and would probably force him to wrestle if they had their way.

Nice try at turning it backwards. No one forces the boy to wrestle, at all.. THAT is the point. He can decide not to participate. THAT is his choice But, he cannot tell someone else they have to stay out. See, here is the problem. Today, he gets to decide that he won't wrestle women. Tommorrow, he decides he won't work with women. THAT truly is a problem.

He never did this. Did you read the article?

The kid never tried to make her not be able to play. He simply declined to wrestle against her. She moved on in the tournament.

So why all this jibberty jabberty about telling people they can play or whatever. That's not even what this is about.

Because this part:

. If girls are going to wrestle, they should have their own league. They do it for basketball, they do it for boxing, why not for wrestling?

Makes it clear it IS very much what this thread is about.

That's not telling someone that they can't wrestle. That's saying that they have their own leage for wrestling. Just like women have the WNBA and women only box between themselves. Do you advocate that women should start boxing men? Do you think the WNBA should be merged with the NBA? Would that be fair?

Again, I'm addressing this stuff because that's what the conversation has become about. However, out of all the posts, you're the only one that I've seen bringing this point up. That he's trying to keep women from wrestling, which it never says in the article. You made the discussion about that.

[PLAYER57832]

Look at the ones here that disapprove of the boy's decision and would probably force him to wrestle if they had their way.

Nice try at turning it backwards. No one forces the boy to wrestle, at all.. THAT is the point. He can decide not to participate. THAT is his choice But, he cannot tell someone else they have to stay out. See, here is the problem. Today, he gets to decide that he won't wrestle women. Tommorrow, he decides he won't work with women. THAT truly is a problem.

He never did this. Did you read the article?

The kid never tried to make her not be able to play. He simply declined to wrestle against her. She moved on in the tournament.

So why all this jibberty jabberty about telling people they can play or whatever. That's not even what this is about.

Because this part:

. If girls are going to wrestle, they should have their own league. They do it for basketball, they do it for boxing, why not for wrestling?

Makes it clear it IS very much what this thread is about.

That's not telling someone that they can't wrestle. That's saying that they have their own leage for wrestling. Just like women have the WNBA and women only box between themselves. Do you advocate that women should start boxing men? Do you think the WNBA should be merged with the NBA? Would that be fair?

Some women want to and are capable of competing with the men. Why shouldn't they? If the men are better, the men will win. That's how sports work.

For my part, I don't do sports. My husband, however, played several sports including wrestling, as did my stepsons. My son tried wrestling, but thankfully quit. All the boys wrestled girls.

As for why I bring this up... its because I have had to work with too many of those boys, grown up, who think women "just don't belong" with the men. What is true in sports is defined as true, in their minds, within the work world.

Do I care if women and men box? No. Personally, I despise boxing, but if you are going to say women cannot box against men, its not that long a stretch to claim women cannot cut trees or drive trucks... etc. And, well, women can do all of those things very well.

[tkr4lf]

Nice try at turning it backwards. No one forces the boy to wrestle, at all.. THAT is the point. He can decide not to participate. THAT is his choice But, he cannot tell someone else they have to stay out. See, here is the problem. Today, he gets to decide that he won't wrestle women. Tommorrow, he decides he won't work with women. THAT truly is a problem.

He never did this. Did you read the article?

The kid never tried to make her not be able to play. He simply declined to wrestle against her. She moved on in the tournament.

So why all this jibberty jabberty about telling people they can play or whatever. That's not even what this is about.

Because this part:

. If girls are going to wrestle, they should have their own league. They do it for basketball, they do it for boxing, why not for wrestling?

Makes it clear it IS very much what this thread is about.

That's not telling someone that they can't wrestle. That's saying that they have their own leage for wrestling. Just like women have the WNBA and women only box between themselves. Do you advocate that women should start boxing men? Do you think the WNBA should be merged with the NBA? Would that be fair?

Some women want to and are capable of competing with the men. Why shouldn't they? If the men are better, the men will win. That's how sports work.

For my part, I don't do sports. My husband, however, played several sports including wrestling, as did my stepsons. My son tried wrestling, but thankfully quit. All the boys wrestled girls.

As for why I bring this up... its because I have had to work with too many of those boys, grown up, who think women "just don't belong" with the men. What is true in sports is defined as true, in their minds, within the work world.

Do I care if women and men box? No. Personally, I despise boxing, but if you are going to say women cannot box against men, its not that long a stretch to claim women cannot cut trees or drive trucks... etc. And, well, women can do all of those things very well.

Ok, well first, people who put so much damn stock in sports and/or gain their sense of identity or accomplishment through sports are rather sad in my opinion. Sports are entertainment. That is all.

That said, you are correct that there are many men who think that way. But not all do. And just because somebody thinks men and women should be segregated in sports, does not mean that they think they should be segregated anywhere else. There is a reason for thinking that way. While there are always exceptions to any rule, the general rule is that men are stronger and more athletic than women. Since this is the case, my basis for the segregation of men and women in sports is to put them on a more equal footing. To take the case of boxing, it would be absoultely unfair for any female boxer to have to box against Mike Tyson, or even Manny Pacquio (sp?). It would be unfair to make a WNBA team play against an NBA team. Etc. etc.

While this reason doesn't really relate to the case in the article, I think it's still a valid one.

And to say that it's not a long stretch to claim that women can't do any work, doesn't seem valid to me. That is a pretty long stretch. Not many, save perhaps the men who already think women shouldn't do anything other than stay home and do housework or whatever, would make the leap from segregating women and men in sports to segregating men and women in the job market. Or anywhere else, really.

Besides, this kid did this for reasons completely different than any of this. His dad explained a lot of it, and went on to say that it was completely the kid's choice. The female opponent understood and said that she respected him standing up for his beliefs. She went on to wrestle in the tournament. He got to go on as well, because I believe it's double elimination, based on the article. There was also another female opponent, but she was pinned in both of her matches, so there is no chance of them playing together. The only way the original female opponent and this kid will meet again is if they both make it to the final round, in which case I guess he would forfeit again. So, if this were to happen, she would win the tournament.

So you see, there was no harm done here. He said he did it out of respect for women and beleiving that slamming a girl on the ground and wrestling with her isn't the proper thing to do.

One more thing, do you really not care about women boxing with men? I'll admit, it would be funny to watch a dude get his ass kicked by a woman boxer, but the opposite is not true. There would be nothing cool, to me at least, nor funny, about watching a guy beat the shit out a woman in a ring. While not as violent, or painful, wrestling is the same situation I think.

[Fircoal]

The fact that I made some dude cry and tap out, made me feel great about myself. If it was a female that I made cry and tap out, I would have felt like crap.

Honestly this is the fundamental problem here.

[tkr4lf]

The fact that I made some dude cry and tap out, made me feel great about myself. If it was a female that I made cry and tap out, I would have felt like crap.

Honestly this is the fundamental problem here.

Which part? The part about getting a great feeling from an accomplishment in a sport, or if I made a female cry from physical pain that I would feel bad?

[Fircoal]

And no it's not ok to hit a girl but it's not ok to hit people in general. However if you were to be hitting people, there is really no difference between hitting a boy or a girl. The person I probably hit most in the past 4 years or so is a girl. (Consisting of pretty much all of the very few times I've done so) It doesn't matter the gender but how much of a dick they're being. Stop looking at irrelevant stuff.

[tkr4lf]

And no it's not ok to hit a girl but it's not ok to hit people in general. However if you were to be hitting people, there is really no difference between hitting a boy or a girl. The person I probably hit most in the past 4 years or so is a girl. (Consisting of pretty much all of the very few times I've done so) It doesn't matter the gender but how much of a dick they're being. Stop looking at irrelevant stuff.

What the hell are you talking about? I never said ANYTHING about hitting boys or girls. Everything was related to sports. The only place hitting could have been discussed was when I discussed boxing.

So again, what the hell are you even talking about?

And are you gonna answer the question I asked about your comment on my post?

[Fircoal]

The fact that I made some dude cry and tap out, made me feel great about myself. If it was a female that I made cry and tap out, I would have felt like crap.

Honestly this is the fundamental problem here.

Which part? The part about getting a great feeling from an accomplishment in a sport, or if I made a female cry from physical pain that I would feel bad?

The fact that the gender of a person would change the whole reaction when likely the feelings behind it are the samezel. I mean I'm nawt too hawt on feeling happy about hurting other people but if you get the pleasure it shouldn't matter based on gender. I mean outside of sports, if you make anyone cry shouldn't you feel bad? It shouldn't matter what that person looks on the outside or what gender they are.

[Fircoal]

And no it's not ok to hit a girl but it's not ok to hit people in general. However if you were to be hitting people, there is really no difference between hitting a boy or a girl. The person I probably hit most in the past 4 years or so is a girl. (Consisting of pretty much all of the very few times I've done so) It doesn't matter the gender but how much of a dick they're being. Stop looking at irrelevant stuff.

What the hell are you talking about? I never said ANYTHING about hitting boys or girls. Everything was related to sports. The only place hitting could have been discussed was when I discussed boxing.

So again, what the hell are you even talking about?

And are you gonna answer the question I asked about your comment on my post?

This was not at you but based at some discussion between Griff, Natty and maybe some other people back on page 1. I was writting it up while you commented on my other post which I just replied too.

[muy_thaiguy]

The fact that I made some dude cry and tap out, made me feel great about myself. If it was a female that I made cry and tap out, I would have felt like crap.

Honestly this is the fundamental problem here.

Which part? The part about getting a great feeling from an accomplishment in a sport, or if I made a female cry from physical pain that I would feel bad?

The fact that the gender of a person would change the whole reaction when likely the feelings behind it are the samezel. I mean I'm nawt too hawt on feeling happy about hurting other people but if you get the pleasure it shouldn't matter based on gender. I mean outside of sports, if you make anyone cry shouldn't you feel bad? It shouldn't matter what that person looks on the outside or what gender they are.

Fir, he was referencing to either grappling or MMA, both of which have tapping people out as a way to win. You're right to criticize him, but you're doing it for the wrong reasons here.

As for me, if a woman wants to do a contact sport, so be it. If they get hurt, that's their own fault, just like it would with a man. I do not support beating women, but if they choose to do a contact sport, know the risks, etc, then go at it like you would with a guy. That simple.

[Fircoal]

The fact that I made some dude cry and tap out, made me feel great about myself. If it was a female that I made cry and tap out, I would have felt like crap.

Honestly this is the fundamental problem here.

Which part? The part about getting a great feeling from an accomplishment in a sport, or if I made a female cry from physical pain that I would feel bad?

The fact that the gender of a person would change the whole reaction when likely the feelings behind it are the samezel. I mean I'm nawt too hawt on feeling happy about hurting other people but if you get the pleasure it shouldn't matter based on gender. I mean outside of sports, if you make anyone cry shouldn't you feel bad? It shouldn't matter what that person looks on the outside or what gender they are.

Fir, he was referencing to either grappling or MMA, both of which have tapping people out as a way to win. You're right to criticize him, but you're doing it for the wrong reasons here.

As for me, if a woman wants to do a contact sport, so be it. If they get hurt, that's their own fault, just like it would with a man. I do not support beating women, but if they choose to do a contact sport, know the risks, etc, then go at it like you would with a guy. That simple.

I'm aware of the first part but I'm not sure how I'm doing it for the wrong reasons. I know my outside of sports may be a bit irrelevant but it's coming at it from a different angle. I agree with your latter statement.

[tkr4lf]

The fact that I made some dude cry and tap out, made me feel great about myself. If it was a female that I made cry and tap out, I would have felt like crap.

Honestly this is the fundamental problem here.

Which part? The part about getting a great feeling from an accomplishment in a sport, or if I made a female cry from physical pain that I would feel bad?

The fact that the gender of a person would change the whole reaction when likely the feelings behind it are the samezel. I mean I'm nawt too hawt on feeling happy about hurting other people but if you get the pleasure it shouldn't matter based on gender. I mean outside of sports, if you make anyone cry shouldn't you feel bad? It shouldn't matter what that person looks on the outside or what gender they are.

Yes, OUTSIDE OF SPORTS, if you make anyone cry, then perhaps you should feel bad. But, INSIDE OF SPORTS, which is what this entire thread has been about, considering the OP, if you even bothered to read it, of course you would get a good feeling from besting an opponent. And in wrestling, when doing a submission hold, and getting that person to cry and tap out, that feels amazing, especially for your first tournament.

Now, as I've said before in this thread, perhaps it is the way I was raised, but I would feel bad making a girl cry from physical pain, no matter what the situation. Be it in sports or out of sports. It pisses me off to no end when men cause women physical pain. That's why I would feel like crap if I hurt a girl. I wouldn't feel like crap if I hurt a guy, as he's a guy, and is expected to be able to handle it. Look, I'm not gonna go over all this again. I've already explained myself in previous posts. If you wanna see how I feel about it, read them.

I still fail to see how this is the fundamental problem in this whole thing, especially related to the topic we were discussing.

[tkr4lf]

The fact that I made some dude cry and tap out, made me feel great about myself. If it was a female that I made cry and tap out, I would have felt like crap.

Honestly this is the fundamental problem here.

Which part? The part about getting a great feeling from an accomplishment in a sport, or if I made a female cry from physical pain that I would feel bad?

The fact that the gender of a person would change the whole reaction when likely the feelings behind it are the samezel. I mean I'm nawt too hawt on feeling happy about hurting other people but if you get the pleasure it shouldn't matter based on gender. I mean outside of sports, if you make anyone cry shouldn't you feel bad? It shouldn't matter what that person looks on the outside or what gender they are.

Fir, he was referencing to either grappling or MMA, both of which have tapping people out as a way to win. You're right to criticize him, but you're doing it for the wrong reasons here.

As for me, if a woman wants to do a contact sport, so be it. If they get hurt, that's their own fault, just like it would with a man. I do not support beating women, but if they choose to do a contact sport, know the risks, etc, then go at it like you would with a guy. That simple.

No, I'm talking about wrestling. Not MMA or grappling. I was in wrestling in 8th grade. It is possible to do submission moves in wrestling, and possible to tap out.

Still, I don't see why I should be criticized for feeling a certain way about harming someone. It's not like I'm trying to impose my beliefs on anyone here. I understand everyone is different. Everyone has their own standards. Just like the kid who didn't wrestle her, I'm not trying to make it to where women can't compete with men. I'm merely giving reasons why I think it's a better idea for them not to play with each other, at least in certain sports.

Eh, whatever, it's not like it matters. Nothing will come of any of this discussion anyway.

[Fircoal]

The fact that I made some dude cry and tap out, made me feel great about myself. If it was a female that I made cry and tap out, I would have felt like crap.

Honestly this is the fundamental problem here.

Which part? The part about getting a great feeling from an accomplishment in a sport, or if I made a female cry from physical pain that I would feel bad?

The fact that the gender of a person would change the whole reaction when likely the feelings behind it are the samezel. I mean I'm nawt too hawt on feeling happy about hurting other people but if you get the pleasure it shouldn't matter based on gender. I mean outside of sports, if you make anyone cry shouldn't you feel bad? It shouldn't matter what that person looks on the outside or what gender they are.

Yes, OUTSIDE OF SPORTS, if you make anyone cry, then perhaps you should feel bad. But, INSIDE OF SPORTS, which is what this entire thread has been about, considering the OP, if you even bothered to read it, of course you would get a good feeling from besting an opponent. And in wrestling, when doing a submission hold, and getting that person to cry and tap out, that feels amazing, especially for your first tournament.

Now, as I've said before in this thread, perhaps it is the way I was raised, but I would feel bad making a girl cry from physical pain, no matter what the situation. Be it in sports or out of sports. It pisses me off to no end when men cause women physical pain. That's why I would feel like crap if I hurt a girl. I wouldn't feel like crap if I hurt a guy, as he's a guy, and is expected to be able to handle it. Look, I'm not gonna go over all this again. I've already explained myself in previous posts. If you wanna see how I feel about it, read them.

I still fail to see how this is the fundamental problem in this whole thing, especially related to the topic we were discussing.

I think I like to go off topic some. But disregarding that, I disagree with your viewpoint and yes you have said this all before. I mean I don't think gender should matter for how to get your sports related pleasure. There is a reason I don't wrestle and so I don't really want to get into the morality of that (even if I may have touched a bit on it earlier), but the thing is the gender should be irrelevant in the sporting matters. Just how good they are.

[Phatscotty]

Good for him. I wrestled for 8 years, and I would refuse too. I would be furious at the people who let her join.

Would you be worried about getting your ass kicked by someone of another gender?

No, but I would be very concerned for the girl who stood across from me in a match. I have made opponents cry to mommy and put people in torture racks that made the ref count pins when their shoulders were not even on the mat. Knowing my own power would be the only reason I would not wrestle her.

and imagine the ridicule of any boy who did lose to a girl, in the high school hallways? No character building sport should allow such a possibility, because that can destroy a teenager. It doesn't matter if the ridicule is right or wrong, it matters that this creates it in an ultimate fashion.

[Fircoal]

Honestly this is the fundamental problem here.

Which part? The part about getting a great feeling from an accomplishment in a sport, or if I made a female cry from physical pain that I would feel bad?

The fact that the gender of a person would change the whole reaction when likely the feelings behind it are the samezel. I mean I'm nawt too hawt on feeling happy about hurting other people but if you get the pleasure it shouldn't matter based on gender. I mean outside of sports, if you make anyone cry shouldn't you feel bad? It shouldn't matter what that person looks on the outside or what gender they are.

Fir, he was referencing to either grappling or MMA, both of which have tapping people out as a way to win. You're right to criticize him, but you're doing it for the wrong reasons here.

As for me, if a woman wants to do a contact sport, so be it. If they get hurt, that's their own fault, just like it would with a man. I do not support beating women, but if they choose to do a contact sport, know the risks, etc, then go at it like you would with a guy. That simple.

No, I'm talking about wrestling. Not MMA or grappling. I was in wrestling in 8th grade. It is possible to do submission moves in wrestling, and possible to tap out.

Still, I don't see why I should be criticized for feeling a certain way about harming someone. It's not like I'm trying to impose my beliefs on anyone here. I understand everyone is different. Everyone has their own standards. Just like the kid who didn't wrestle her, I'm not trying to make it to where women can't compete with men. I'm merely giving reasons why I think it's a better idea for them not to play with each other, at least in certain sports.

Eh, whatever, it's not like it matters. Nothing will come of any of this discussion anyway.

It's because it's sexism, and the experience that you shared is just a problem that not only you have but probably a lot of us. I didn't mean just to criticize you but it really just shows the difference in how we view males and females, and that in of itself is a problem. I mean honestly I don't care about sports, I don't really watch or follow most of them (besides the extremely high contact baseball) and I couldn't give a hoothoot for the most part. I am more considered about the sexist psychology of the mind, and the outside of sports reaction, probably why I'm bringing it up somewhat even though its sorta irrelevant. The idea that my sadness (my very common sadness) will be viewed as lesser because of my gender scares me, and I really dun like the idea of it.

[Fircoal]

and imagine the ridicule of any boy who did lose to a girl, in the high school hallways? No character building sport should allow such a possibility, because that can destroy a teenager. It doesn't matter if the ridicule is right or wrong, it matters that this creates it in an ultimate fashion.

If change is gonna happen, then someone is gonna have to play the martyr. (However it is unfair that it isn't self-chosen in this case)

[Phatscotty]

Some call that chivalrous, I call it simply rude and small minded. That girl had to train hard to get there, harder I would bet then any of the guys who were there. It was her decision to get into a martial sport like wrestling and to deny a person a chance to fight? IMO the guy should be treated like he did that in my sport of choice, fencing. If he pulled a stunt like that on a fencing strip he would have been kicked from the tournament, and if I was a high level tournament, barred from retuning for a set length of time. I have no idea how that girl ended up doing in the tournament, but no matter how well she did the boy left her victories hollow, as she was not given the opportunities to earn her standing in the tournament.

Piss poor sportsmanship on the boys part.

Agreed

I would shake this guys hand and commend his honor.

This isn't just about gender equality. It's also about, how do you know 100% of the men a girl might wrestle know how to conduct themselves sexually around a woman? What about young men who have never touched a woman before period? Like a severely ugly wrestler who finally gets to thrust his chest right into her breasts for a standard pin.

Boys don't know how to react to smashing a tit. How awkward would it be to ball n chain a female? How about picking up a female and slamming her to the mat at hard as you can? It's way too much to ask teenagers to deal with reversing everything they have been taught about respecting women, and hopefully, never doing a female physical harm. You guys are WAY to focused on equality. You have to respect the differences between male and female.

I also boxed, and when I was pretty young, my coach brought girl into the gym and I sparred her. I totally held back, even though she was tough as hell and she was going 100%. It was too much to ask.

[tkr4lf]

It's sexism to feel worse when physically harming a woman than when physically harming a man? Thats news to me.

I agree that men and women are viewed differently, but that's because they are different. It's not like races here, where the main differences are superficial. The main differences in men and women are far beyond superficial.

As I said earlier in the thread, there are always exceptions to the rule. However, in general, women and men have very large differences, inluding the obvious anatomy, and also differences in thinking and brain "crap" ( "crap" for lack of a better word, it's late here and getting harder to remember all the stuff I'm currently learning in my psych class.) Not saying anybody has it better, just that there are vast differences in how the two sexes behave, think and feel. I think that is the main reason the two sexes are viewed so differently.

Plus, as someone mentioned earlier, it's almost a natural thing for men to be defensive of women, or at the least to have a revulsion towards physically hurting them, at least most men. The decent ones, anyway.

[patches70]

This is such a non-issue. People are here are crying "respect the girl's decision to want to wrestle". No one disrespected her decision at all nor has anyone said she can't. Now, take a page out of your own book and respect the male's decision to not wrestle her and forfeit instead. She didn't do anything wrong, and neither did the boy. /thread

[thegreekdog]

This is such a non-issue. People are here are crying "respect the girl's decision to want to wrestle". No one disrespected her decision at all nor has anyone said she can't. Now, take a page out of your own book and respect the male's decision to not wrestle her and forfeit instead. She didn't do anything wrong, and neither did the boy. /thread

AND SHE RESPECTS HIS DECISION!!!

THE MOD HAS SPOKEN.

now /thread.