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Re: Matrix mafia Day 2

Postby Flow520 on Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:23 pm

Based on Dlanor A. Knox's strong desire to protect / from a lynch, I deduce that Dlanor A. Knox knows the identity of /.
I think that everyone would agree that at the very least we have Neo, Morpheus, and Trinity in this game. In most games the town power roles are not told of each others identity unless they are part of a group. I think in the case of the matrix theme, it would be overpowered for Neo, Morpheus, and Trinity to be told each others identity at the start of the game.
From the above thought process, I think that Dlanor A. Knox and / are connected and not Neo, Morpheus, or Trinity.
Thus for now, Unvote, Vote /.
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Re: Matrix mafia Day 2

Postby safariguy5 on Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:40 pm

Maybe / forgot that he was in this game? I'm unwilling to pressure an inactive until he can come and defend himself, especially because I'm pretty sure he's around.
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Re: Matrix mafia Day 2

Postby Haggis_McMutton on Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:45 pm

safariguy5 wrote:Based on the day kill, it really sounds like Trinity made the kill. "I don't have time for this shit" is the line she says right after Merovingen made that long speech about wanting the oracle's eyes and Trinity provokes the Mexican Standoff. Looks to me like a Trinity role is confirmed.

Here's the problem with the argument on edoc that I see. I can buy that he might have a secondary win condition. I can also plausibly see how this might be the death of oracle. However, nobody in his faction has a killing role. So how exactly is he going to kill Sax now? He could maybe pray that the agents do it, but I'm pretty sure the doc role or seraph is probably protecting the oracle right now. The number 1 thing here is getting rid of the agents. I think that's what we need to focus on and not beat this merovingen argument again.


Wait, am I forgetting something? how do you know they have no kills? i could definitely see edoc having some JOAT abilities like me in Restaurant mafia.
Actually the more I think of it, I'm pretty sure he must have some extra win conditions. A 3rd party survivor with 2 goons(including 1 bodyguard) just makes no sense. and I really don't see how this extra condition could play in the favour of town.

However, prodding the inactives is something that must also be done and Knox reaction is very interesting. It does seem likely there's a tie there.
So yeah, we might as well see what / has to say. I'm not switching my vote as he's already at L-3, I believe.

Also, maybe he should be prodded?
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Re: Matrix mafia Day 2

Postby strike wolf on Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:59 pm

Edoc is more than just a regular survivor, the mere fact he has a faction proves that. The fact that he's protected proves it even more...its just a matter of what other a bilities he may or may not have.
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Re: Matrix mafia Day 2

Postby TheSaxlad on Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:02 pm

Haggis_McMutton wrote:
safariguy5 wrote:Based on the day kill, it really sounds like Trinity made the kill. "I don't have time for this shit" is the line she says right after Merovingen made that long speech about wanting the oracle's eyes and Trinity provokes the Mexican Standoff. Looks to me like a Trinity role is confirmed.

Here's the problem with the argument on edoc that I see. I can buy that he might have a secondary win condition. I can also plausibly see how this might be the death of oracle. However, nobody in his faction has a killing role. So how exactly is he going to kill Sax now? He could maybe pray that the agents do it, but I'm pretty sure the doc role or seraph is probably protecting the oracle right now. The number 1 thing here is getting rid of the agents. I think that's what we need to focus on and not beat this merovingen argument again.


Wait, am I forgetting something? how do you know they have no kills? i could definitely see edoc having some JOAT abilities like me in Restaurant mafia.
Actually the more I think of it, I'm pretty sure he must have some extra win conditions. A 3rd party survivor with 2 goons(including 1 bodyguard) just makes no sense. and I really don't see how this extra condition could play in the favour of town.

However, prodding the inactives is something that must also be done and Knox reaction is very interesting. It does seem likely there's a tie there.
So yeah, we might as well see what / has to say. I'm not switching my vote as he's already at L-3, I believe.

Also, maybe he should be prodded?


So are you affiliated with them? Everyone else has switched their votes... I wouldnt say that this was scummy but your not putting him at l-2. In fact the only active people who havent voted him are you and dlanor...

Smith and 2 other agents?
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Re: Matrix mafia Day 2

Postby Haggis_McMutton on Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:10 pm

TheSaxlad wrote:
Haggis_McMutton wrote:
safariguy5 wrote:Based on the day kill, it really sounds like Trinity made the kill. "I don't have time for this shit" is the line she says right after Merovingen made that long speech about wanting the oracle's eyes and Trinity provokes the Mexican Standoff. Looks to me like a Trinity role is confirmed.

Here's the problem with the argument on edoc that I see. I can buy that he might have a secondary win condition. I can also plausibly see how this might be the death of oracle. However, nobody in his faction has a killing role. So how exactly is he going to kill Sax now? He could maybe pray that the agents do it, but I'm pretty sure the doc role or seraph is probably protecting the oracle right now. The number 1 thing here is getting rid of the agents. I think that's what we need to focus on and not beat this merovingen argument again.


Wait, am I forgetting something? how do you know they have no kills? i could definitely see edoc having some JOAT abilities like me in Restaurant mafia.
Actually the more I think of it, I'm pretty sure he must have some extra win conditions. A 3rd party survivor with 2 goons(including 1 bodyguard) just makes no sense. and I really don't see how this extra condition could play in the favour of town.

However, prodding the inactives is something that must also be done and Knox reaction is very interesting. It does seem likely there's a tie there.
So yeah, we might as well see what / has to say. I'm not switching my vote as he's already at L-3, I believe.

Also, maybe he should be prodded?


So are you affiliated with them? Everyone else has switched their votes... I wouldnt say that this was scummy but your not putting him at l-2. In fact the only active people who havent voted him are you and dlanor...

Smith and 2 other agents?


Again, what is it with you people and voting. Do you think that he's reading this thread and going "Hmm, I'm at L-3 no need to post yet, I'll wait till I'm at L-2"?

I didn't vote for you, after claiming seriously crazy powers, till I gave you a chance to explain yourself, I'm not going to take my vote of the player who tried to manipulate town all day and force a claim, just to put the inactive guy at L-2.
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Re: Matrix mafia Day 2

Postby strike wolf on Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:15 pm

Hmm is he at L-3? I thought he was only a 3 votes...aka l-4
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Re: Matrix mafia Day 2

Postby Fircoal on Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:35 pm

aage wrote:The Trainman checked his watch, or rather, his watches. "Damn, I'm running late! Get on the train, the lot o'ya!" Several people walked through the door past him, and a few came running down the stairs of the station. They were running late too. Too bad for them.

One of them however didn't seem very interested in getting on the train.

"Excuse me, are you the Trainman?"
"Who's askin'?"
A sigh.
"I don't have time for this shit."

BANG BANG!


Fircoal - The Trainman (Third party jailor) has been daykilled!


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Re: Matrix mafia Day 2

Postby safariguy5 on Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:37 pm

Yeah I'll pressure / a bit then, hope for a vote count to clear up discrepancies.

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Re: Matrix mafia Day 2

Postby Commander9 on Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:37 pm

strike wolf wrote:Edoc is more than just a regular survivor, the mere fact he has a faction proves that. The fact that he's protected proves it even more...its just a matter of what other a bilities he may or may not have.


I'm not sure why you think that Twins is a bodyguard either - it could be a different role.
But... It was so artistically done.
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Re: Matrix mafia Day 2

Postby edocsil on Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:06 pm

Commander9 wrote:
strike wolf wrote:Edoc is more than just a regular survivor, the mere fact he has a faction proves that. The fact that he's protected proves it even more...its just a matter of what other a bilities he may or may not have.


I'm not sure why you think that Twins is a bodyguard either - it could be a different role.


It is because that is what I and the Twins have told you.
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Re: Matrix mafia Day 2

Postby strike wolf on Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:17 pm

edocsil wrote:
Commander9 wrote:
strike wolf wrote:Edoc is more than just a regular survivor, the mere fact he has a faction proves that. The fact that he's protected proves it even more...its just a matter of what other a bilities he may or may not have.


I'm not sure why you think that Twins is a bodyguard either - it could be a different role.


It is because that is what I and the Twins have told you.

And it doesn't really serve a positive purpose to speculate on a role in a group that's been proven third party survivor. We need to be wary of any secondary win condition they might have but it doesn't serve much purpose to speculate on their claimed bodyguard.
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Re: Matrix mafia Day 2

Postby Commander9 on Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:42 pm

I never said that we should, I just pointed out to some that we shouldn't believe everything what we hear. Anyways, Dlanor hasn't responded since (probably doesn't want to talk herself into more trouble) and no answer from /...
But... It was so artistically done.
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Re: Matrix mafia Day 2

Postby TheSaxlad on Sat Feb 26, 2011 3:52 am

Mod- Can we get another vote count to clear up discrepancies.
Mod- Can we get a prod on / to actually defend himself so that we dont accidently lynch a town power role.
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Re: Matrix mafia Day 2: needs a replacement

Postby aage on Sat Feb 26, 2011 7:48 am

TheSaxlad wrote:Mod- Can we get another vote count to clear up discrepancies.

Yes, you can.

Vote Count


1. Tailgunner 1 (Strike)
2. Edoc Haggis
3. VioIet
4. Haggis 1 (tails)
6. Strike Wolf
7. TheSaxlad
8. Commander9 1 (Dlanor)
10. Flow520
11. Dlanor A. Knox
12. / 5 (Commander Edoc'sil Saxlad Flow520 Safariguy) L-1 (Chu died so the "majority" just went down 1 player)
14. Safari

11 alive, 6 to lynch.
Mod- Can we get a prod on / to actually defend himself so that we dont accidently lynch a town power role.

I'm on it :)
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Re: Matrix mafia Day 2

Postby strike wolf on Sat Feb 26, 2011 7:53 am

Hmm thought it was still 12 players and 7 to lynch. Someone unvote please we don't need him getting lynched like this.
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Re: Matrix mafia Day 2

Postby TheSaxlad on Sat Feb 26, 2011 7:57 am

unvote just so / can defend himself.
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Re: Matrix mafia Day 2

Postby / on Sat Feb 26, 2011 1:14 pm

My apologies, it seems I forgot about this game waiting for day. I'll get read up very soon I promise!
I'm sure I'll get a case together by Sunday night to make up for it, then we can see if it is a case stronger than my inactivity. ;)
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Re: Matrix mafia Day 2

Postby VioIet on Sat Feb 26, 2011 1:33 pm

Fircoal wrote:
aage wrote:The Trainman checked his watch, or rather, his watches. "Damn, I'm running late! Get on the train, the lot o'ya!" Several people walked through the door past him, and a few came running down the stairs of the station. They were running late too. Too bad for them.

One of them however didn't seem very interested in getting on the train.

"Excuse me, are you the Trainman?"
"Who's askin'?"
A sigh.
"I don't have time for this shit."

BANG BANG!


Fircoal - The Trainman (Third party jailor) has been daykilled!


FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFf

I wish I knew this before I tried to read through all of this thread (and fail at it x3)


You should have been reading the thread anyway, if you are a player in the game. You should follow the game from beginning to end if you sign up.

Still quite sad about your death :cry:

Will be waiting for Slash's post, Sunday night.

And hmm, i thought i had a vote on commander. Guess not :-s
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Re: Matrix mafia Day 2

Postby / on Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:08 pm

Bah, this is the hardest read I've ever had to do, 7/8 posts seem to be random flavor drivel, The one who sticks out in my mind is once again Edoc, the reasons have nothing to do with my reasons the previous day, I fully believe he has told the truth about the role he was given, I simply don't think it is the role he has now.

Point one, known claimed roles as of night one were 00icon, sax, fircoal and edoc, of these 00icon proved no threat to scum, Sax is the main threat to scum, edoc could go either way. As Sax is the main threat, he is the obvious target, he is the most likely to be recruited and perhaps more important to a smart agent, he is the most likely to be watched, therefor it is likely he wasn't recruited. Fir obviously wasn't recruited, 00icon wouldn't have been recruited except in a terrible long term strategy. This leaves edoc, who has a unique combination of power, (buletproofness) influence (two third parties on his side), and most importantly, no town looking after his safety as he is third party.

Point two, the fact he does not run his own mafia puts him in an ideal spot to make outrageous moves on behalf of scum, he has repetitively fallen back on his difference from a traditional mafia to justify his own innocence. This is the most overt action he has made against town since the beginning of day two (when he has theoretically been recruited)

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edocsil wrote:Come on boys, Commander is fucking Neo. Obviously I m not 100% on this, but how many characters would be told not to trust me? Also, the Oracle understands Smith, he is just a program. She correctly predicts many of his actions in the movies. Neo, the One is the enigma, the one she cannot understand. Honestly I cannot understand why a investigation was spent on him, I could think of several better targets, and I also had him pegged for one of the big three, Neo, Morpheus, or Trinity before the night, and this investigation only makes me more confident of my conclusion.

In the chance that I am wrong I really hope the real deal speaks up now.


Woah, woah, woah. You want to out Neo on D2 for bullshit reasons? Seriously?

I don't have time to adress the case on me right now, I will later but I had to post this.
For f*ck's sake, no one needs to reveal their role right now, especially not Neo.


Why the f*ck not? He can't be recruited. I would rather him claim then us oust possibly recruitable programs.

This is quite an interesting move, "Whoever neo is, raise your hand", the justification is horribly scummy, so what if he can't be recruited? as far as was known at the time, sax was impeded, we know now the likely cause, but at the time it could have just as likely been a mafia roleblocker or the like, giving plenty of justification on why we don't want scum knowing the main character.
how about another reason....

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strike wolf wrote:Hmm...well I need to reread before I make much of a case...this scene though...the agent was by himself. An sk rather than mafia?

Perhaps just the one with the kill. Not Smith though. he is never just another nameless agent. my vote is still for a recruitment.

hmmm there seems to be a bloodthirsty agent on the loose, which you yourself acknowledge just one page before saying the only thing neo needs to fear is recruitment. This is role-fishing at it's worst.

as I'm not fond of the current case :P
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Re: Matrix mafia Day 2

Postby edocsil on Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:09 pm

/ wrote:Bah, this is the hardest read I've ever had to do, 7/8 posts seem to be random flavor drivel, The one who sticks out in my mind is once again Edoc, the reasons have nothing to do with my reasons the previous day, I fully believe he has told the truth about the role he was given, I simply don't think it is the role he has now.

Point one, known claimed roles as of night one were 00icon, sax, fircoal and edoc, of these 00icon proved no threat to scum, Sax is the main threat to scum, edoc could go either way. As Sax is the main threat, he is the obvious target, he is the most likely to be recruited and perhaps more important to a smart agent, he is the most likely to be watched, therefor it is likely he wasn't recruited. Fir obviously wasn't recruited, 00icon wouldn't have been recruited except in a terrible long term strategy. This leaves edoc, who has a unique combination of power, (buletproofness) influence (two third parties on his side), and most importantly, no town looking after his safety as he is third party.

Point two, the fact he does not run his own mafia puts him in an ideal spot to make outrageous moves on behalf of scum, he has repetitively fallen back on his difference from a traditional mafia to justify his own innocence. This is the most overt action he has made against town since the beginning of day two (when he has theoretically been recruited)

edocsil wrote:
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edocsil wrote:Come on boys, Commander is fucking Neo. Obviously I m not 100% on this, but how many characters would be told not to trust me? Also, the Oracle understands Smith, he is just a program. She correctly predicts many of his actions in the movies. Neo, the One is the enigma, the one she cannot understand. Honestly I cannot understand why a investigation was spent on him, I could think of several better targets, and I also had him pegged for one of the big three, Neo, Morpheus, or Trinity before the night, and this investigation only makes me more confident of my conclusion.

In the chance that I am wrong I really hope the real deal speaks up now.


Woah, woah, woah. You want to out Neo on D2 for bullshit reasons? Seriously?

I don't have time to adress the case on me right now, I will later but I had to post this.
For f*ck's sake, no one needs to reveal their role right now, especially not Neo.


Why the f*ck not? He can't be recruited. I would rather him claim then us oust possibly recruitable programs.

This is quite an interesting move, "Whoever neo is, raise your hand", the justification is horribly scummy, so what if he can't be recruited? as far as was known at the time, sax was impeded, we know now the likely cause, but at the time it could have just as likely been a mafia roleblocker or the like, giving plenty of justification on why we don't want scum knowing the main character.
how about another reason....

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strike wolf wrote:Hmm...well I need to reread before I make much of a case...this scene though...the agent was by himself. An sk rather than mafia?

Perhaps just the one with the kill. Not Smith though. he is never just another nameless agent. my vote is still for a recruitment.

hmmm there seems to be a bloodthirsty agent on the loose, which you yourself acknowledge just one page before saying the only thing neo needs to fear is recruitment. This is role-fishing at it's worst.

as I'm not fond of the current case :P
I'll vote Edo


So what? You think I have been recruited? Tell me, what is the point of recruiting or killing a Survivor? None at all, it doesn't help the scum at all, and that combined with NKs is why I have acted the way I have. I have no desire to be the target of NKs and recruitment because I want to win.

So you sit here and try to lynch a known 3rd party player. That leaves us with night coming and no scum dead at all. I can only assume you have thought this through well enough to know that there is no benefit to the town from my lynch, it will just get more townies killed during the night.

Unvote Vote /

As for the role fishing, I can only assume that there is a doc to protect those who are needed, everyone town who has claimed so far is bulletproof, and give the power of the roles so far I can only assume Neo has protections of his own.
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Re: Matrix mafia Day 2

Postby TheSaxlad on Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:46 am

You know what, for some hilarious reason I agree with edoc. /'s case was weak and to pin everything on edoc, who has all but been confirmed as telling the truth is a bit of a long shot.

As with the ship that Niobe Piloted to Zion in revolutions. "Its Hammer Time!"

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Re: Matrix mafia Day 2

Postby strike wolf on Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:57 am

That was hammer wasn't it? / actually had a point. Edoc wasn't a regular crime boss he had followers and a bodyguard that isn't a lousy recruit as edoc tried to say. Plus if we are dealing with a cult guess what helps them the most? Finding who is who so they can accurately recruit and what has edoc been doing all day? Fishing for roles. Not saying he is cult just saying this may come back to bite us.
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Re: Matrix mafia Day 2

Postby Flow520 on Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:11 pm

No, it's still L-1. Though I'm more of the opinion that /'s argument is pretty weak, so I wouldn't have minded if it was the hammer. I think the only way to avoid the hammer at this point is a full roleclaim.
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Re: Matrix mafia Day 2

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:38 pm

The fact that / attempts to divert attention to another player who is already suspect (or rather ambiguous to the rest of town if that suits you better edoc) doesn't speak well for his defense. I'm not really sure if the case against / was valid enough for a roleclaim, after all he was just inactive, but at this point it's probably all that will save him.

edocsil wrote:Tell me, what is the point of recruiting or killing a Survivor? None at all, it doesn't help the scum at all...


Well it would at least add some more to their ranks or delay a lynch on one of them, in which case they could level the numbers a bit.

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