Dugcarr has went too far- I suggest he should be banned

[Blitzaholic]

i didnt break any rules.

but maby u should take EVERY one of my points and give them to blitz, then i could start at zero.

i would not protest that

your comment here dug suggests you know you broke the rules, it's a contradiction, you say here you didn't, but then say take all my points and give them to blitz and you will start at zero, and you go on to say dug, that you would not protest to that, meaning you think this is fair punishment for your actions, I mean this is your agreement, all can read your quote here.

Of course I would not do this because I do not think it is fair for me to do or for the mods to do.

[alster]

Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.

Yup. Don't argue with fools. 'Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who.

[AAFitz]

Everyone knows I play with both of these guys, and am "CC friends" with both to the extent that thats possible....so I have chosen not to comment, which Im sure they both understand...

However, after reading it...I had an Image of Lackattack in the early days, programming away thinking of all the possibilities this site might create. All the various people from all parts of the world with different backgrounds, ages and cultures. Clearly he had a vision of a very open concept for the game. Every decision has shown that. So, Im sure he inherently knew there would be some interesting personality clashes, over various things, some big some small, some absolutely inconceivable

But I truly wonder if he ever conceived of an absolute clash this heated, between two of the top scoring players on here. With so many different aspects to it, it really is one of the most interesting things I have ever seen. Tragic as it may be, the complexity of it is practically mind boggling.

I suppose this happens in many online games, and in any group as diverse as this, but nonetheless, I have never seen anything quite like it.

So lack, hows that beer taste?..Probably better than most of the others youve had.

And I appoligize to anyone who thinks I'm discounting the seriousness of the thread. I know as well as anyone whats at stake on this one.

[MOBAJOBG]

dugcarr1 can't be #1 with how the points are being calculated now so that explains his numerous negativity against Blitzaholic.

[qeee1]

So disregarding all the personal slander and such:

1. did dugcarr break the rules?

2. And if so was in such such a manner as to warrent a banning?

I think the answer to at least one of those is probably no, due to the fact it's rather hazy, even if you think he did break the rules, you must accept it's not 100% clear, and open to interpretation. I don't thing we should start banning people for implicit rules.

I do think new rules should be implemented to prevent this kind of thing in the future, but I think as things stand there's no grounds to ban dug.

Also if anyone wants to post a complete transcript of dug's and killroy's conversation I'd be most entertained.

[RiskTycoon]

i didnt break any rules.

but maby u should take EVERY one of my points and give them to blitz, then i could start at zero.

i would not protest that

This is something a young child, having a fit, would say after realizing his mother knows he is guilty...... this is evidence....guilt......

[AndrewB]

i didnt break any rules.

but maby u should take EVERY one of my points and give them to blitz, then i could start at zero.

i would not protest that

your comment here dug suggests you know you broke the rules, it's a contradiction, you say here you didn't, but then say take all my points and give them to blitz and you will start at zero, and you go on to say dug, that you would not protest to that, meaning you think this is fair punishment for your actions, I mean this is your agreement, all can read your quote here.

Of course I would not do this because I do not think it is fair for me to do or for the mods to do.

He admitted and realizes his guilt a way before, when in the PMs dugcarr threaten Captain Killroy with a payback, if Captain would not keep it under the cover.

[RobinJ]

Just move this thread to the cheating forum and have some mods deal with it!

[AndrewB]

I remember back when there was a coalition of people to suicide on alstergren so he wouldn't reach 3000, did anyone get band then?


no. why is this any different?

Not saying it isnt wrong, just curious at the hypocrisy and double standard?

Kyle, did anyone bribe the players back them?

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So, it's different if everyone wants to gang up on the number one player as long as money is not talked about.?

First of all, I personally would never gang up on any person, just because he has more points.

On the other hand, one thing is when you know upfront, before you start you game that you will be squeezed by every player. And you have an option NOT to join this game.

Completely another story when you start playing and your partner is bribed to throw away his games (or someone else would do it instead of him).

Don't you see the difference, Kyle? At least to say, it is very sneaky. And if you would have been in this situation, you will be posting in forums, and complaining, like there is no tomorrow.

Third, I don't hear altergren complaining here, if anything he is completely behind Blitzaholic.

[David_Wain]

1) i do not deny it.

i didnt break any rules.

but maby u should take EVERY one of my points and give them to blitz, then i could start at zero.

i would not protest that

Sounds like a plan to me.

[Samus]

And I appoligize to anyone who thinks I'm discounting the seriousness of the thread. I know as well as anyone whats at stake on this one.

I am absolutely discounting the "seriousness" of this situation. It's like if someone went up to cashier's best friend and said "hey man, I know you hate me, but go in there and punch your best friend in the face, and then steal the money from the register for me." That doesn't belong on America's Most Wanted, it belongs on a gag reel. I'm sorry to all the people who think this is the worst thing to ever happen in CC, but I'm really reminded of the South Park World of Warcraft episode where they're all crying batshit armageddon over people's characters getting killed. Lighten the f*ck up, nothing happened and nothing was ever going to happen from the beginning. I think I'm more disappointed in dug that this plan was so stupid.

And what is at "stake" here? Are we worried about all the future "offers of $20 to turn on your longtime partner?" Give me a break, if you can't even trust your partner that much your team was going to break down with or without the Andrew Jackson.

[Aradhus]

This site reminds me of school. When I would pick on someone and they'd run off and tell one of the teachers.

I don't think Dug deserves to be banned.

I think he and Blitz should get together and make gay love. Come on, the sexual tension is palpable, you know they both want to.


And since this seems to be turning into somewhat of an anti popularity contest. I would just like to say that I find both Dug and Blitz to be annoying as hell. Blitz a little more so.

[joeyjordison]

again this is all down to lack to decide... or whoever is in charge of banning people in this sort of strange circumstances

[Samus]

again this is all down to lack to decide... or whoever is in charge of banning people in this sort of strange circumstances

As I recall when JTKALLTHEWAY was busted for multis a second time, sully had to get lack to do it because all the normal moderators are incapable of instituting a ban on a premium account. So yeah, only lack has the power here. But this topic is nearly 2 days old now, you think lack just hasn't noticed? No ban so far, I take that to mean none is planned.

[wicked]

It is being a discussed among the mods & lack, and we're close to a decision. We don't like to rush judgment on anyone, and this is certainly an unprecedented case.

[GrazingCattle]

It is being a discussed among the mods & lack, and we're close to a decision. We don't like to rush judgment on anyone, and this is certainly an unprecedented case.

I think what ever the mods and Lack decide will be in the best interest of CC and it's players. Lets just have a little faith in the system folks. It is their call and we need to support it 100%, even if we don't agree 100%.

This could have been a private matter, and handled so, but instead it is big and public. We can't completely assess the situation like the mods and Lack can. I suggest waiting and keeping your ears open.

[qeee1]

I think what ever the mods and Lack decide will be in the best interest of CC and it's players. Lets just have a little faith in the system folks. It is their call and we need to support it 100%, even if we don't agree 100%.

What, if I think they make a bad decision, I'll criticise it. I'm not gonna' support it. I mean there's a line between criticism and subverting the authority of the site, one I wouldn't feel the need to cross, but at the same time I wouldn't say I'd support them 100%

Anyway the way I see it, though I disagree with what he did on a moral level, I accept that different people have different views of morality, and it's not my moral code that everyone agrees to adhere to on this site, but rather the rules of the site. They're what everyone agress to in using the site.

dug hasn't explicitly broken any of the rules, the closest he's come would be "an intention to create a secret alliance", which as I said is hazy grounds for an outright ban.

[GrazingCattle]

I think what ever the mods and Lack decide will be in the best interest of CC and it's players. Lets just have a little faith in the system folks. It is their call and we need to support it 100%, even if we don't agree 100%.

What, if I think they make a bad decision, I'll criticise it. I'm not gonna' support it. I mean there's a line between criticism and subverting the authority of the site, one I wouldn't feel the need to cross, but at the same time I wouldn't say I'd support them 100%

Anyway the way I see it, though I disagree with what he did on a moral level, I accept that different people have different views of morality, and it's not my moral code that everyone agrees to adhere to on this site, but rather the rules of the site. They're what everyone agress to in using the site.

dug hasn't explicitly broken any of the rules, the closest he's come would be "an intention to create a secret alliance", which as I said is hazy grounds for an outright ban.

If you don't support it 100% then you are undermining their authority as runners of the site. Since Lack is the founder, he is the trigger man on this.
If we don't support it then keep quite and to yourself about it. that was my point. Once the decision is made we don't need to rabble rouse and try and show that the way we would have handled it is better.

By showing support and respect to the mods we show that we are grateful for Lack's awesome site and that we recognize his authority.

I am just afraid this will turn into a Watergate scandal, and everyone will have an opinion and try and force them down my throat. I really don't like that. Hence my post!

If you don't like it, it is your right to disagree.

[Sammy gags]

Really you like to fish Dug? You look exactly like my uncle & like to do pretty much the same stuff as him. The only difference is he has a Grady-White instead of a canoe.
And I have to say that if Dug gets banned for playing RISK competitively, the gameplay will never be at the same level of competition because people will always be afraid of being banned. I think that people from this site complain way to much, it makes me feel bad for the mods to have to deal with all the multiple accounts, secret alliances, & now 'bribes'. When the mods draw the line between cheating & competitive gameplay, I can only hope that it doesn't interfere with the so far positive experience of Conquer Club

[qeee1]

If you don't support it 100% then you are undermining their authority as runners of the site. Since Lack is the founder, he is the trigger man on this.
If we don't support it then keep quite and to yourself about it. that was my point. Once the decision is made we don't need to rabble rouse and try and show that the way we would have handled it is better.

By showing support and respect to the mods we show that we are grateful for Lack's awesome site and that we recognize his authority.

Criticism is not necessarily subversive. Criticism of other things about the site have led to changes which have been approved by (nearly) all. Rabble rousing is different. Suggesting that we don't express any negative opinions is a bad idea, don't get me wrong, I love the mods and all they do, but they're not infallible.

Also I thought you rogue statists were anarchists, yet here you are trying to suggest curtailing free speech out of support for authority.

Anyway this is going off topic, your comment just got to me.

Back to the bitching!

[wicked]

How about we all just wait and see, eh?

[Samus]

How about we all just wait and see, eh?

LOL, yeah, only HALF of you will need to bitch and moan about how it's the most unfair thing ever.

[qeee1]

How about we all just wait and see, eh?

fair enough, chances are I'll totally endorse anything with wicked's name on it.

Anyway me wants more drama... continuing posting, the jamie and kayla threads can no longer hold my interest.

[Blitzaholic]

I think I'm more disappointed in dug that this plan was so stupid.

agreed samus and just plain wrong

[Beastly]

so I guess there are some people here that think it is ok to use other peoples accounts to win games,

just as long as someone doesn't tell.

Get real people.