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[saxitoxin]

Paronychia infection and other nailbed infections and deformities like Onychoatrophy are, statistically, as common as HIV infection in developed countries. They can be contagious and fatal and, unlike HIV, can't be arrested through lifestyle choices.

I didn't mention HIV. I was referring to all STDs, not just the rare ones.

I'm unaware of any recent medical literature that says circumcision arrests or mitigates the spread of STDs at a significant level. However, there is a wealth of literature that shows circumcised children are between 400%-600% more likely to get a MRSA infection, which is much more problematic. (That said, on the counter-point, we know that HPV incidence is decreased in the circumcised.)

There are very few body parts that exist for no reason at all. Surgical body modification should not be performed in the absence of an immediate medical reason. (Which, in some rare cases, like paraphimosis, can justify circumcision.) Body modification whose genesis was originally conceived not for medical reasons but for ritual purposes (as in Judaism and Islam) or ethical purposes (to stop masturbation, as in the U.S.) should be evaluated especially critically. This is as true for circumcision as any other style of body modification, including foot binding in China, Mayan head flattening, neck elongation in some African tribes, etc.

Fortunately, the fight over circumcision has been won in the developed world and this type of initiation surgery has effectively ended (or is on its way out as in the case of the US/Australia).

If that is why they perform circumcision, then they have failed utterly.

At least in my case.

Turn-of-the-century ideas of what kind of recreational activities circumcision could prevent or decrease aren't very accurate but, in some cases, neither are too far off if we look at the (general) sexual-behavioral patterns of circumcised versus uncircumcised males and theta rhythms at the moment of climax. Going too much further down this line-of-conversation, however, will lead us into territory far too graphic for The Club so we'll leave it at that ...

[Army of GOD]

The transient hygiene benefits of circumcision are non-starters. People wouldn't have to clean their fingernails if all infants had their fingernails pulled-out after birth.

There's a reason first world countries don't practice circumcision (US, Australia and Israel excepted).

Diseases aren't usually contracted from the skin under the fingernails.

Diseases aren't usually contracted from the foreskin either.

Paronychia infection and other nailbed infections and deformities like Onychoatrophy are, statistically, as common as HIV infection in developed countries. They can be contagious and fatal and, unlike HIV, can't be arrested through lifestyle choices.

Fortunately, after being eliminated from the rest of the developed world, circumcision in the U.S. and Australia have dropped to the 50% mark from the 8X% high it reached in the '70's through '90's and, by the advent of the next generation, will be a surgery performed on a statistical minority of newborns.

The cut-off in Canada is pretty dramatic. I used to hang-out in a lot of gym locker rooms all over Canada and it's remarkable to note that everyone over 30 is most usually circumcised whereas those under 30 are most usually uncircumcised (with the exception of Ontario). (Can't do those kind of observational studies anymore, though, after I got a chain-wide ban from GoodLife gyms due to member complaints.)

=(

[Juan_Bottom]

Who's member was complaining about you studying it?

[Army of GOD]

Who's member was complaining about you studying it?

notyou2, Timminz, Barvon Von PWN, etc.

[Army of GOD]

Who's member was complaining about you studying it?

notyou2, Timminz, Barvon Von PWN, etc.

Speaking of...saxi, who of these three has the largest manhood?

[The Bison King]

or ethical purposes (to stop masturbation, as in the U.S.)

Cool! next time I'm masturbating I won't be sadly stroking my frustrations alone but practicing Civil Disobedience!

[saxitoxin]

Who's member was complaining about you studying it?

notyou2, Timminz, Barvon Von PWN, etc.

Speaking of...saxi, who of these three has the largest manhood?

Don't try to live vicariously through ol' Saxi just because everyone on this site keeps ignoring your PMs for dick pics, AOG.

Cool! next time I'm masturbating I won't be sadly stroking my frustrations alone but practicing Civil Disobedience!

*Saxi uses garden hose on Bison King*

[Army of GOD]

saxi, if I wanted pics of dicks, then I could just Google it...

[natty dread]

I love my foreskin. It's fun to play with. I don't know what I would do without my foreskin. It's such a joy to have a foreskin I am thankful for it every day of my life.

I pity the fools who would willingly give up their foreskin.

Also, since we're talking about dicks, mine is 8 inches long and curves to the left. (which is really convenient, because it makes it easy to grab with my right hand.)

[nagerous]

I pity the fools who would willingly give up their foreskin.

Sometimes there is no other option, when your penis is growing and your foreskin is so tight that you start pissing blood - you have to get rid of the thing to live a normal life.

[natty dread]

I pity the fools who would willingly give up their foreskin.

Sometimes there is no other option, when your penis is growing and your foreskin is so tight that you start pissing blood - you have to get rid of the thing to live a normal life.

My sympathies. It must be hard for you.

[saxitoxin]

The Consolidated City-County of San Francisco will vote on a blanket ban on circumcision this November. Violators would be sentenced to a year imprisonment. Circumcision would continue to be legal for males over the age of 18 after granting notarized consent in writing.

The measure - which is being supported by physicians groups - has brought the Muslim and Jewish communities of San Francisco together with Imams and Rabbis jointly denouncing the proposal as likely to anger the gods. A similar measure to outlaw human sacrifices was defeated in a referendum in the Mayan capital city of Petén Itzá in 1000 B.C. on the same grounds.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/55267.html

[PLAYER57832]

Who here was circumcised?

Not I

[Juan_Bottom]

Circumcision would continue to be legal for males over the age of 18 after granting notarized consent in writing.

That seems excessive to me. That's gonna cost $150 just to get the notary.

However bravo I say. My parents ordered the doctors to take my foreskin away when I was just a defenseless baby and I've been angry about it ever since I discovered what that means.

[saxitoxin]

Circumcision would continue to be legal for males over the age of 18 after granting notarized consent in writing.

That seems excessive to me. That's gonna cost $150 just to get the notary.

Who knows if that's actually true; I generally embellish most of my article summaries for flair and to keep the forums spicy.

[BigBallinStalin]

Paronychia infection and other nailbed infections and deformities like Onychoatrophy are, statistically, as common as HIV infection in developed countries. They can be contagious and fatal and, unlike HIV, can't be arrested through lifestyle choices.

I didn't mention HIV. I was referring to all STDs, not just the rare ones.

I'm unaware of any recent medical literature that says circumcision arrests or mitigates the spread of STDs at a significant level. However, there is a wealth of literature that shows circumcised children are between 400%-600% more likely to get a MRSA infection, which is much more problematic. (That said, on the counter-point, we know that HPV incidence is decreased in the circumcised.)

There are very few body parts that exist for no reason at all. Surgical body modification should not be performed in the absence of an immediate medical reason. (Which, in some rare cases, like paraphimosis, can justify circumcision.) Body modification whose genesis was originally conceived not for medical reasons but for ritual purposes (as in Judaism and Islam) or ethical purposes (to stop masturbation, as in the U.S.) should be evaluated especially critically. This is as true for circumcision as any other style of body modification, including foot binding in China, Mayan head flattening, neck elongation in some African tribes, etc.

Fortunately, the fight over circumcision has been won in the developed world and this type of initiation surgery has effectively ended (or is on its way out as in the case of the US/Australia).

If that is why they perform circumcision, then they have failed utterly.

At least in my case.

Turn-of-the-century ideas of what kind of recreational activities circumcision could prevent or decrease aren't very accurate but, in some cases, neither are too far off if we look at the (general) sexual-behavioral patterns of circumcised versus uncircumcised males and theta rhythms at the moment of climax. Going too much further down this line-of-conversation, however, will lead us into territory far too graphic for The Club so we'll leave it at that ...

You have no idea what you're talking about, saxitoxin.<folds arms>

[HapSmo19]

The truth is out there

[Night Strike]

Another cases of progressives finding solutions to problems that don't exist. The procedure is done soon after birth simply because it's not painful and debilitating to the patient, both of which occur when done at older ages. A baby cannot remember such issues which is why it is done at that time.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Fuckin' anteaters.

-TG

[saxitoxin]

Another cases of progressives finding solutions to problems that don't exist. The procedure is done soon after birth simply because it's not painful and debilitating to the patient, both of which occur when done at older ages. A baby cannot remember such issues which is why it is done at that time.

Absence of pain and absence of painful memories are different ideas, but - not to get too far afield - it's an interesting thought experiment.

If someone offered you $400 to have hypodermic needles inserted deeply into the bed of each of your fingernails, however, they could guarantee you would not remember a thing afterward, would you accept or decline? I have $400 so I might decline, however, if I didn't I'm not sure what ol' Sax would say. That said, I don't have feeling in most of my body anyway due to a 2-week vodka and Day-Quil bender I went on back in '93 so any answer I give might be skewed.

[thegreekdog]

Wait... I heard this yesterday... why is there a ballot measure to ban circumscisions? What I mean is, why do adult people want these things banned?

Also - don't some religions consider circumscision part of their religions?

[natty dread]

Umm... what about the rights of the babies? How can you decide something as drastic as amputating a body part on behalf of your baby?

I think circumcision is a barbaric practice and infringes on the freedom and rights of the babies it is performed on. They are too young to consent to such a drastic and unnecessary procedure. What if they decide when they are older that they wouldn't have wanted to get the circumcision? They will never be able to get their foreskins back.

But of course, the same people who rant on about "freedom" and "rights" when it comes to things like healthcare etc. do not give a crap about the babies' rights as long as the things that infringe rights and freedoms are things they approve of. Such hypocricy. Case in point:

Another cases of progressives finding solutions to problems that don't exist. The procedure is done soon after birth simply because it's not painful and debilitating to the patient, both of which occur when done at older ages. A baby cannot remember such issues which is why it is done at that time.

[thegreekdog]

Umm... what about the rights of the babies? How can you decide something as drastic as amputating a body part on behalf of your baby?

I think circumcision is a barbaric practice and infringes on the freedom and rights of the babies it is performed on. They are too young to consent to such a drastic and unnecessary procedure. What if they decide when they are older that they wouldn't have wanted to get the circumcision? They will never be able to get their foreskins back.

Wait, what? Really? Or are you playing a game?

I'm so confused by this issue. I'm confused by the reasoning behind the proposed ban. I'm confused by the ban itself. I'm confused as to why the state should be involved at all. I'm confused as to why it doesn't violate freedom of religion concepts. Is it because it's so ridiculous? I don't know.

[Metsfanmax]

What if they decide when they are older that they wouldn't have wanted to get the circumcision? They will never be able to get their foreskins back.

What if they aren't circumcised as a baby, but decide later that they want to be? They will have to go through an incredibly painful procedure to do so.

[natty dread]

What if they decide when they are older that they wouldn't have wanted to get the circumcision? They will never be able to get their foreskins back.

What if they aren't circumcised as a baby, but decide later that they want to be? They will have to go through an incredibly painful procedure to do so.

Yes, but if they later decide they want a circumcision, they can get one. Maybe it will be painful, but pain builds character.

On the other hand, if they get it as a baby, and decide they don't want it after all, they're SOL and there's no way they can get their foreskin back. It's gone. Forever.

I know I would feel like crap if I had a body part of mine amputated when I was a baby without having any say in it. I would feel violated. I would feel like my basic human rights were trampled in the mud because of some ancient religious superstition.

Wait, what? Really? Or are you playing a game?

Is a person's inherent right to have control over his/her own body such a foreign concept to you?