real bad results in c and a (case resolved.)

[Optimus Prime]

How exactly does a point reset punish the entire website? I fail to see the logic in that, but I am willing to be proven wrong. As far as I'm concerned a point reset means the player goes back to 1000 points and that's the end of that. It means someone else is #1 on the scoreboard, that's about it.

[Woodruff]

How exactly does a point reset punish the entire website?

Once the point reset takes place, you have a Conqueror-capable player taking points from people as if he were a cook/private/etc. That would be quite painful for the point-whores of the site, while simultaneously giving Blitz that ability to point out how he got a point reset and STILL made it back to Conqueror (which he would apparently love).

[Optimus Prime]

How exactly does a point reset punish the entire website?

Once the point reset takes place, you have a Conqueror-capable player taking points from people as if he were a cook/private/etc. That would be quite painful for the point-whores of the site, while simultaneously giving Blitz that ability to point out how he got a point reset and STILL made it back to Conqueror (which he would apparently love).

I think interpreting that situation as a "punishment to the entire website" is a bit of a stretch, let's be honest here.

If that were the case, than it just further strengthens the idea that lackattack needs to get things sorted out and actually do something about the points system and the further abuse that takes place that he turns a blind eye to on a regular basis. I believe that there are literally hundreds of "conquerer-capable" players currently active on this website and that the only reason they haven't seen the title belong to them is because too many people are being allowed to constantly abuse loopholes in the system as it is currently operating.

Close those loopholes (whatever they may be) and I bet you would see a rather regular changing of the guard as far as Conqueror is concerned due to the large number of players who could achieve it legitimately.

[Woodruff]

How exactly does a point reset punish the entire website?

Once the point reset takes place, you have a Conqueror-capable player taking points from people as if he were a cook/private/etc. That would be quite painful for the point-whores of the site, while simultaneously giving Blitz that ability to point out how he got a point reset and STILL made it back to Conqueror (which he would apparently love).

I think interpreting that situation as a "punishment to the entire website" is a bit of a stretch, let's be honest here.

Not the entire website...the point-whores of the entire website. <smile> For those of us that don't care about points, it's not a punishment at all.

If that were the case, than it just further strengthens the idea that lackattack needs to get things sorted out and actually do something about the points system and the further abuse that takes place that he turns a blind eye to on a regular basis.

Well, I certainly agree that this is the situation.

[safariguy5]

Boy I'm glad I wasn't an admin when this case came to light. I probably would have gotten fired as a result.

Regardless, while the escalating system is in place, and I think it is effective a vast majority of the time, I think that in this case there should have been some sort of punishment beyond a warning. It saddens me to think that the ultimate powers around here don't have the smarts to realize that some offenses need to be made examples of for the betterment of the community (although I do readily admit to that being a very subjective ideology, so don't go jumping down my throat).

Personally, I think an appropriate punishment would have been a full point reset for Blitzaholic and a 1 week ban. Sure, due to my unmitigated and often extreme prejudice against Blitzaholic I wish deep down inside that he'd been permanently banned as it would have given me at least one reason to begin enjoying this website again, but that is neither here nor there. Even if you don't want to give him the 1 week ban instead of the warning he should have received a point reset at the very least.

My two cents, hate it, love it, ignore it, it's up to you.

True, this could very well be deserving of more than a warning, but the rigidity of the system made it so that a warning was all that could be issued. Certainly, if this is an impetus for the mods and admins to get together and revise the system, then I'm sure that the community will be appreciative and the system may run better. Right now, it seems like several different offenses are taken to have the same gravity. Point dumping and sitting abuse in this case is the equivalent of flaming on the forums. Although a revision is certainly welcome, we cannot in good faith then retry Blitz's case under the new rules. You can't prosecute someone ex post facto and we shouldn't do that either.

[SirSebstar]

would it help if you did not pool your rank in teamgames but simply got a return as normal? So the lower ranked player on your side getting a heap more points then the high ranked player?
that would totally defeat the pointwhoring of teams and be a simple improvement

[Metsfanmax]

How exactly does a point reset punish the entire website?

Once the point reset takes place, you have a Conqueror-capable player taking points from people as if he were a cook/private/etc.

That phase would only last for a short stretch of games, because if you're right about his ability to climb back to Conqueror, he'll be gaining points fairly quickly.

[nagerous]

Not to mention all his friends will be able to bank in on it by playing team games with him.

[Dako]

So what? They will get extra 100-500 points, but they will loose more instead. And if they are not that good - their win ration will not be enough to sustain their rank and they will go down in a couple of months.

[Aradhus]

It's safe to assume that everybody in the future who does what Blitz did here will get off with only a warning, right?

Not that I'm asking because I want to cheat, I just want to know if I make an innocent mistake like Blitz did that I'd get off with a warning too.

And I would get off, I like it when people tell me I'm a naughty boy.

[Metsfanmax]

It's safe to assume that everybody in the future who does what Blitz did here will get off with only a warning, right?

If it was their first major infraction, then yes.

[Woodruff]

would it help if you did not pool your rank in teamgames but simply got a return as normal? So the lower ranked player on your side getting a heap more points then the high ranked player?
that would totally defeat the pointwhoring of teams and be a simple improvement

I like that idea.

[Chariot of Fire]

It is a good idea. The losing team however would pool their points and lose an equal amount each - that would be the fairest way. But certainly a dividend to each winner based on his score (i.e. more to a low ranker than a high ranker) would put an end to elite farmers pulling cooks into their teams.

[Mr Changsha]

would it help if you did not pool your rank in teamgames but simply got a return as normal? So the lower ranked player on your side getting a heap more points then the high ranked player?
that would totally defeat the pointwhoring of teams and be a simple improvement

I'm not keen on ideas that discourage the highest of ranks from playing with us more common folk. I always like to see a general teamed up with a colonel, a major and maybe a sgt 1st class. The pooling of rank positively encourages the top 50 players to player with lower ranks...assuming they want to lead a team, rather than go with the 'superstar all top 100 type team'. The pooling of rank forces the best to teach, if they want to gain a reasonable amount for a win.

I do accept that this would change the composition of the scoreboard and that most would say that the change would be a positive one, but I'm not sure it is a great idea, for the spirit of the site, if we basically give the best players no reason to team up with weaker ones. I think this is one of things that makes CC great.

The issue in the case of Blitz is that he was abusing the system....he was running a multi. And not for a single game or maybe two, but for many. It should not follow from this situation that we should now attempt to stop high ranking players from teaming with low ranking ones. I would oppose that quite strongly.

[Robinette]

NEWS FLASH...
THIS JUST IN...
BLITZ SPEAKS!

*Y'all do realize that it's the Sexy reporters that always get the scoop*

Yes Nette the whole thing is sad, I feel awful about the entire thing, and to some outsiders it probably looked bad, it was unfortunate. I feel real bad for Jobi and his loss of a loved one. If I would of known this to occur, this would of never happened. Trust me, there is many low ranks I could of teamed with. I was not trying to gain anything, he was a cook when our games started and still is a cook, but, no games were thrown and none of this was on purpose. So, ask yourself, why then? The answer is I just wanted to team with a partner that I have not teamed with in awhile, it has been several months, that's it. No one was trying to abuse anything, it was found a warning for this as I should not of joined some of those games even though he gave me permission too, I was guilty of that and owned it. I never lied.

The multihunters investigated everything and took a week to do so, showing they looked into this far and wide and cleared us of cheating, there was NO intent, NO throwing of games, NO point dumping, NO hijacking, NO cheating, all innocent in that accord.

The guilt was from me joining some games for him. I had no idea this was a big NO NO for cc to do, like I said, others had done this to me in my public games before and nothing happened. I realize two wrongs do not make a right.

So, yes Nette, I feel embarrassed the whole thing occured because I can see where it would look bad to some. Again, the whole thing was an unfortunate mishap. I apologize to anyone whom I may of hurt or who may of looked up to me, or saw this situation more pessismitically, it was a sad day in CC. I feel happy I told the truth and I feel relieved that I was investigated and justice was served fairly. You all have a right to carry on and share as you wish in here or in the forums, bash me or support me, at least show respect to Jobi and his loss, but, for me, this chapter is closed and I will not talk about it again as it is sad anytime anyone brings this up.

Sincerely, Blitzy

Well of course there was more, much more,,, it's Blitz afterall, and we ALL know he can be a bit verbose...
so i cut a bunch of the excess, and trimmed some more, and it still needed shaving..
until, finally, we are left with this...
and i do think this really gets to the core of what he's thinking... or wasn't thinking, depending on your point of view...

The full unabridged version will be released in a mini-series drama on the GameChannel this fall.
Clint Eastwood immediately refused the part of Blitz, and Michael Moore was seen hanging around the studio...
Robinette, the sexy reporter who got the scoop, will be played by Melissa Theuriau

[safariguy5]

Gamechannel? I expected HBO!

[Robinette]

Gamechannel? I expected HBO!

Fixed


NEWS FLASH...
THIS JUST IN...
BLITZ SPEAKS!

*Y'all do realize that it's the Sexy reporters that always get the scoop*

Yes Nette the whole thing is sad, I feel awful about the entire thing, and to some outsiders it probably looked bad, it was unfortunate. I feel real bad for Jobi and his loss of a loved one. If I would of known this to occur, this would of never happened. Trust me, there is many low ranks I could of teamed with. I was not trying to gain anything, he was a cook when our games started and still is a cook, but, no games were thrown and none of this was on purpose. So, ask yourself, why then? The answer is I just wanted to team with a partner that I have not teamed with in awhile, it has been several months, that's it. No one was trying to abuse anything, it was found a warning for this as I should not of joined some of those games even though he gave me permission too, I was guilty of that and owned it. I never lied.

The multihunters investigated everything and took a week to do so, showing they looked into this far and wide and cleared us of cheating, there was NO intent, NO throwing of games, NO point dumping, NO hijacking, NO cheating, all innocent in that accord.

The guilt was from me joining some games for him. I had no idea this was a big NO NO for cc to do, like I said, others had done this to me in my public games before and nothing happened. I realize two wrongs do not make a right.

So, yes Nette, I feel embarrassed the whole thing occured because I can see where it would look bad to some. Again, the whole thing was an unfortunate mishap. I apologize to anyone whom I may of hurt or who may of looked up to me, or saw this situation more pessismitically, it was a sad day in CC. I feel happy I told the truth and I feel relieved that I was investigated and justice was served fairly. You all have a right to carry on and share as you wish in here or in the forums, bash me or support me, at least show respect to Jobi and his loss, but, for me, this chapter is closed and I will not talk about it again as it is sad anytime anyone brings this up.

Sincerely, Blitzy

Well of course there was more, much more,,, it's Blitz afterall, and we ALL know he can be a bit verbose...
so i cut a bunch of the excess, and trimmed some more, and it still needed shaving..
until, finally, we are left with this...
and i do think this really gets to the core of what he's thinking... or wasn't thinking, depending on your point of view...

The full unabridged version will be released in a mini-series drama on A&E this fall.
Clint Eastwood immediately refused the part of Blitz, and Michael Moore was seen hanging around the studio...
Robinette, the sexy reporter who got the scoop, will be played by Melissa Theuriau

[Funkyterrance]

I for one can see pretty clearly what has happened and I am glad to know since I am the sort who DOES care about the integrity of a player and now do not look up to this guy in the least whereas before I had some degree of respect for his position. While some seem to think that the only justice would be for him to be hung by his toenails (maybe rightly so), It seems that the matter was settled as fairly as the "powers that be" were able. I would love to see him at least bumped down to #2.
It seems to me that he is playing dumb. I find it hard to believe that someone with his experience didn't realize he was breaking the rules.
One last note: Voldemort, there is no need to be nasty. What's your problem?

[Chariot of Fire]

I find it hard to believe that someone with his experience didn't realize he was breaking the rules

You've hit the nail on the head. That was just an outpouring of total BS (even signed 'Blitzy'....oh love me, please).

Makes me wanna puke

[Fruitcake]

I for one can see pretty clearly what has happened and I am glad to know since I am the sort who DOES care about the integrity of a player and now do not look up to this guy in the least whereas before I had some degree of respect for his position. While some seem to think that the only justice would be for him to be hung by his toenails (maybe rightly so), It seems that the matter was settled as fairly as the "powers that be" were able. I would love to see him at least bumped down to #2.
It seems to me that he is playing dumb. I find it hard to believe that someone with his experience didn't realize he was breaking the rules.
One last note: Voldemort, there is no need to be nasty. What's your problem?

Yer avin' a larf right?

[Funkyterrance]

Hmm, I don't know the fellow that well tbh so I was being sincere. I'm somewhat new here
When the Whistle Blows?
I would love to think that was a reference to "The Extras".

[sonicsteve]

no games were thrown...NO throwing of games...

I played in 5 games which were in fact thrown as part of this debacle. Somebody look at these and tell me they aren't thrown, because they look bloody well thrown to me; in most of them jobi joins and gets the start but doesn't even bother to take a first turn! He misses 3 turns straight and deadbeats while Blitz sits idly by ignoring the games he signed jobi up to.

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This denial of the truth is utter bobbins.

Blitz - It's time to stop playing the 'loss of a loved one' card. If you really had any care for Jobiwan you would have made sure his turns were taken as any good friend or clanmate does on this site until such time as he returned or the games were played out. If the absence becomes extended you start contacting TOs (HighlanderAttack is probably the busiest guy on this site, but he took the time to contact me as a TO when one of his mates left the site for a couple of months - it's what decent folks do).

You chose to ignore all his games apart from those where you had a selfish interest knowing full well that you would benefit in the most minor way from the abandonment of the rest of his account while happily winning your own games more easily by controlling his turns in full.

[David_Wain]

I have recently come back and started playing again and I am just now getting round to reading up about all this. This all seems highly confusing and I am no doubt missing alot of stuff. 1 question I do have is, Sonic your pointing out games that were apparently thrown, but around the same dates there were also several games that Jobiwan won also -

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here is another one

2011-03-12 04:03:46 - Iron Maid lost 82 points
2011-03-12 04:03:46 - Krissan lost 74 points
2011-03-12 04:03:46 - evilkingjay lost 53 points
2011-03-12 04:03:46 - MrGlassB lost 70 points
2011-03-12 04:03:46 - ETROPAL lost 59 points
2011-03-12 04:03:46 - Jobiwan gained 338 points

^^ I don't see how the grand total of 21 points lost from the 5 games sonicsteve posted can mean anything here? any 1 of the games above Jobiwan gained more points than probably 10 of other losses combined. Who was taking the turns of the games above? Blitz? Jobi? Why would blitz with no doubt his own limited time take anything but turns in his own games and maybe a couple others if he has spare time. Can someone please tell me if I am missing some fundamental point here? I have known blitz for 5 years now and it seems a little bit bizarre he would go out of his way to manipulate this situation to maybe gain all of a few points when he is already 1st on the leaderboard.

I need to go back over and look over everything but just from my first observations I find the whole thing a bit ridiculous.

[eddie2]

I have recently come back and started playing again and I am just now getting round to reading up about all this. This all seems highly confusing and I am no doubt missing alot of stuff. 1 question I do have is, Sonic your pointing out games that were apparently thrown, but around the same dates there were also several games that Jobiwan won also -

Game 8687253
Game 8632438
Game 8755066
Game 8578903
Game 8690800
Game 8684074
Game 8498551
Game 8632438
Game 8577729
Game 8689146

here is another one

2011-03-12 04:03:46 - Iron Maid lost 82 points
2011-03-12 04:03:46 - Krissan lost 74 points
2011-03-12 04:03:46 - evilkingjay lost 53 points
2011-03-12 04:03:46 - MrGlassB lost 70 points
2011-03-12 04:03:46 - ETROPAL lost 59 points
2011-03-12 04:03:46 - Jobiwan gained 338 points

^^ I don't see how the grand total of 21 points lost from the 5 games sonicsteve posted can mean anything here? any 1 of the games above Jobiwan gained more points than probably 10 of other losses combined. Who was taking the turns of the games above? Blitz? Jobi? Why would blitz with no doubt his own limited time take anything but turns in his own games and maybe a couple others if he has spare time. Can someone please tell me if I am missing some fundamental point here? I have known blitz for 5 years now and it seems a little bit bizarre he would go out of his way to manipulate this situation to maybe gain all of a few points when he is already 1st on the leaderboard.

I need to go back over and look over everything but just from my first observations I find the whole thing a bit ridiculous.

here you go all these were d/beat or literally d/beat or only playing last turn after c and a report was put in. and if that is correct the point wins that close to the report you are saying he was down to 200 points.

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[David_Wain]

So who took the turns in the games he actually did win? Was Blitz supposed to be the only 1 watching his acc? It's obviously understandable he would take turns in games he was in with him vs other games... Just seems odd some games were played that he actually won but others missed.