Holy Wars - The Crusades - 13th Century

by **Nozza** on Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:37 pm

I think this map is ace. reli unique the sooner we cn play it the better!

by **Buller** on Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:41 pm

dude, you forgot like half of Denmark, Fyn and Zealand needs to be there now!

by **CHAMPOS** on Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:48 am

so what needs to happen to get this map playable????

by **darkmagus** on Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:42 pm

CHAMPOS wrote:this was the best assessment per the religion maps at the time - some grey areas...

This map is very incorrect historically... If a country has been christian for 200 years and is a part of the crusades - how can you consider that a grey area?

Norway and Gotaland pagan barbarians in the 1200:s? :roll:

Norway became christian in early 1000 - about 50 years after denmark.. gotaland(sweden) also in that century.

and the borders are all wrong - what about eastern denmark aka skane/scania (nowadays southern sweden) ?
The dome of lund is where the danish kept the original "dannebrogen" - the oldest national flag with a catholic cross!
..but it´s barbarian and belonging to Gotaland in this map..

and whatabout bohemia/moravia? larger and more proper kingdom than pomerania..

there was of course no real polish kingdom at the time but to give all that land to a small duchy seem very strange..

there must be a better solution for playability than make denmark and hungary neighbours cause it sure isn´t even remotely correct.

IMHO I think you need to do more research and look at more maps.

by **Qwert** on Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:44 pm

i say again
in 1 view you eliminate 2 kingdom Poland and Serbia.
Why?
Kingdom Serbia its biger then bulgaria
Kingdom Poland its biger then hungary
You ignoring reply to these, and dont say that these map historicly corect.

by **darkmagus** on Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:22 pm

Qwert, look here for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of ... 38-1295.29

There was no polish kingdom or unified Poland at the time.

by **Qwert** on Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:52 pm

If you look only year of 1200, then you must put Kingdom of Serbia on map, and these kingdom whas biger then Bulgaria

by **Sgt. Grumbles** on Sun Apr 01, 2007 11:46 am

Crusades is a nice idea, but the territories definately need to be split up more and organized better

and defiantely got to read up on it

by **Ruben Cassar** on Sun Apr 01, 2007 7:14 pm

darkmagus wrote:
CHAMPOS wrote:this was the best assessment per the religion maps at the time - some grey areas...

This map is very incorrect historically... If a country has been christian for 200 years and is a part of the crusades - how can you consider that a grey area?

Norway and Gotaland pagan barbarians in the 1200:s?
Norway became christian in early 1000 - about 50 years after denmark.. gotaland(sweden) also in that century.

and the borders are all wrong - what about eastern denmark aka skane/scania (nowadays southern sweden) ?
The dome of lund is where the danish kept the original "dannebrogen" - the oldest national flag with a catholic cross!
..but it´s barbarian and belonging to Gotaland in this map..

and whatabout bohemia/moravia? larger and more proper kingdom than pomerania..

there was of course no real polish kingdom at the time but to give all that land to a small duchy seem very strange..

there must be a better solution for playability than make denmark and hungary neighbours cause it sure isn´t even remotely correct.

IMHO I think you need to do more research and look at more maps.

I agree with you 100% and I couldn't have worded it better.

by **Qwert** on Tue Apr 03, 2007 1:04 pm

Darkmarkus dont forget kingdom of serbia, becouse bulgaria is not soo big country.

by **CHAMPOS** on Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:32 pm

i am going to have another go at this

anyone got a good religion map of europe around 1200ad??

by **cairnswk** on Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:08 pm

Champos....could we see a map on this page as soon as possible please.

by **oaktown** on Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:03 pm

the additional XML options that came out a few months back could be used to make this map unique - otherwise it's way too similar to the europe map. You could have everybody start in europe and start the 'infidel' lands neutral, so everybody scrambles to go after big bonuses for controlling Tunis, the Holy Lands, Constantinople, etc. You could set it so that controlling a combination of holy sites - Rome, Jerusalem, Santiago de Campostela, etc - means victory and end of the game.

by **CHAMPOS** on Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:53 pm

let the games commence - any comments welcome...

catholics 4 armies
islamic 4 armies
orthodox 3 armies
mongol 3 armies
pagan 3 armies
jewish 2 armies (countries marked with star of david)
all these religions were battling it out in europe in 1200ad

the crusades
if you own at least one of the above religions then you get an additional army bonus of 2 for holding Papal States or Holy Lands (and 6 armies for holding both with a religion)

note - the carpathian mountains are impassable.
[img][img]http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff32/markchampion/final-1.jpg[/img][/img]

by **Qwert** on Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:14 pm

If these map present 1200ad,then i think that names in map is not corect

by **d.gishman** on Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:15 pm

In 1200 AD that area you called Azerbaijan was largely the kingdom of Georgia and its tributaries, which was mostly christian, azerbaijan was more southward, around that bulge in the territory you called persia

by **muy_thaiguy** on Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:23 pm

CHAMPOS wrote:let the games commence - any comments welcome...

catholics 4 armies
islamic 4 armies
orthodox 3 armies
mongol 3 armies
pagan 3 armies
jewish 2 armies (countries marked with star of david)
all these religions were battling it out in europe in 1200ad

the crusades
if you own at least one of the above religions then you get an additional army bonus of 2 for holding Papal States or Holy Lands (and 6 armies for holding both with a religion)

note - the carpathian mountains are impassable.
[img][img]http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff32/markchampion/final-1.jpg[/img][/img]

The Papal States occupied Central Italy, not Central and Southern. Sicily had control of it. :wink:

by **Qwert** on Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:32 pm

I will give you only one example-Pomeranians.
Can you tell me where you find that pomerania is bordering with lithuanians and smolensk and with chernigov and galicia?

by **Qwert** on Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:36 pm

Also proper name for Galicia is Halych-Volhynia Kingdom(1199-1349)
Well i dont want to reserch others name but you definitly have many mistakes

by **Qwert** on Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:40 pm

Also proper name for lithuanians is Grand Duchy of Lithuania

by **Qwert** on Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:45 pm

Can you give me explanation for Vlachs terittory,i can not find these country in wikipedia.

by **muy_thaiguy** on Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:55 pm

Try something OTHER then wikipedia. :wink:

by **CHAMPOS** on Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:31 am

The map is largely based on this map and the one before.

I note i have got pomerania wrong.

http://www.euratlas.com/history_europe/ ... _1200.html

by **muy_thaiguy** on Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:49 am

How about making famous cities of the time (Cairo, Constantinople, Rome, and Baghdad) little bonuses, and make Southern Italy Part of the Kingdom of Sicily, as it shows on the map. :wink:

by **iancanton** on Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:11 am

qwert wrote:Can you give me explanation for Vlachs terittory,i can not find these country in wikipedia.

i think vlachs is wallachia, which becomes romania in later years. from 1185 to the time of the fourth crusade (1204), the vlachs and bulgars were united under a single kingdom, led by the vlach brothers peter and asen. this ought to be one territory, not two.

http://kroraina.com/bulgar/wolff_3.html

the most important political formation on the territory of the old Bulgarian Empire was the loose conglomeration of Balkan peoples in revolt led by the Vlachs Peter and Asen.

ian.