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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby Haggis_McMutton on Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:33 pm

MatYahu wrote:Energy has always existed, the law of energy conservation proves this.

Actually no, but fine, whatever. Let's say this is valid.

MatYahu wrote:Edwin Hubble proved in the 1940's the universe hasn't always existed.

How about a cyclical universe?

MatYahu wrote: So if the only thing that existed before the universe was energy

DOES NOT COMPUTE!
You are using the first lay of thermodynamics, an empirical law about the functioning of our universe to claim that energy was conserved BEFORE our universe existed... See the problem there?

MatYahu wrote: that Energy is logically the cause to the effect of the creation of the universe.

SERIOUSLY DOES NOT COMPUTE!
Even assuming the previous point is true, how exactly did you make the logical leap from the energy was there, to the energy caused the universe?

MatYahu wrote:The Energy is the legendary "First Cause". The reason why this is, obviously, is because nothing else existed other than the Energy.

ERROR, STILL DOESN'T COMPUTE!
How do you know nothing else existed? How do you know what is beyond our universe exactly?

MatYahu wrote:It's reasonable to conclude that the Eternal Energy has intelligence. Rather super intelligence. And the creation of the universe was a premeditated act.

TOTAL EXISTENCE FAILURE, DISCONNECTING.

Edit: You're a bigger man than me, MDF, I just couldn't keep on reading when I reached the second paragraph.

Also, greenoaks argument might just be the most eloquent one I've ever seen :-k
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby jimboston on Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:05 pm

greenoaks wrote:Image


Evidence there is a God and He is a Man.

I think so!
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby Army of GOD on Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:25 pm

MDF, Egg_McMuffin, there's no point, really.

Why can't we agree with the original theme of this thread? You cannot prove/disprove God/gods/Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Either you believe or you don't.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby Haggis_McMutton on Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:34 pm

Army of GOD wrote:MDF, Egg_McMuffin, there's no point, really.

Why can't we agree with the original theme of this thread? You cannot prove/disprove God/gods/Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Either you believe or you don't.


Sure...

But what about the Invisible Pink Unicorn?
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby Army of GOD on Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:39 pm

Haggis_McMutton wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:MDF, Egg_McMuffin, there's no point, really.

Why can't we agree with the original theme of this thread? You cannot prove/disprove God/gods/Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Either you believe or you don't.


Sure...

But what about the Invisible Pink Unicorn?


I know for a fact that it doesn't exist. Sorrz.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby 2dimes on Wed Apr 20, 2011 5:40 pm

Remember page 10?
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2dimes wrote:ImageImage

so yeah I'm convinced.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby Juan_Bottom on Wed Apr 20, 2011 5:57 pm

That's not evidence for God. That's only proof that impregnating a girl will have very positive results (for someone).
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Postby 2dimes on Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:23 pm

Well, I guess you can have this tidbit from page 36 then.

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I have never been this serious in my entire life.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby Army of GOD on Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:27 pm

Juan_Bottom wrote:That's not evidence for God. That's only proof that impregnating a girl will have very positive results (for someone).


I'm missing how impregnating a girl gives you a bacon cheeseburger
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby InkL0sed on Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:39 pm

Army of GOD wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:That's not evidence for God. That's only proof that impregnating a girl will have very positive results (for someone).


I'm missing how impregnating a girl gives you a bacon cheeseburger


You clearly don't know how sex works.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby InkL0sed on Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:40 pm

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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby Pirlo on Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:10 pm

a wise man was once asked by some atheists to meet them in specific place & time to discuss the God existence matter. he said ok and they agreed on time & place.

the atheists arrived on time, while the wise guy arrived few hours later. they got mad at him and asked "where the hell have you been?"

"oh sorry dudes, I found out that there is a river and couldn't cross it until some trees decided to get cut, and then a rope just came from somewhere, so they all gathered and made me a boat." the wise man answered.

of course the atheists didn't believe him because he made no sense. so they asked him again, "are you telling us that a boat was made alone without a maker? :shock: and you used it to cross that damned river? :o "

he answered "yes that what I'm telling you :roll: "

they said "bullshit... how could a boat be made alone? you are such a liar."

he replied "well, if the earth & globe were made alone, why wouldn't a little boat be made alone?" :roll:
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby luns101 on Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:22 pm

CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.


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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby Haggis_McMutton on Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:32 pm

Pirlo wrote:a wise man was once asked by some atheists to meet them in specific place & time to discuss the God existence matter. he said ok and they agreed on time & place.

the atheists arrived on time, while the wise guy arrived few hours later. they got mad at him and asked "where the hell have you been?"

"oh sorry dudes, I found out that there is a river and couldn't cross it until some trees decided to get cut, and then a rope just came from somewhere, so they all gathered and made me a boat." the wise man answered.

of course the atheists didn't believe him because he made no sense. so they asked him again, "are you telling us that a boat was made alone without a maker? :shock: and you used it to cross that damned river? :o "

he answered "yes that what I'm telling you :roll: "

they said "bullshit... how could a boat be made alone? you are such a liar."

he replied "well, if the earth & globe were made alone, why wouldn't a little boat be made alone?" :roll:


Sorry, but the burger was much more convincing.

Edit: Also, hey luns. Haven't seen you in a while
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby Juan_Bottom on Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:13 pm

We're over here in the United States building sky scrappers, sending people into space, and creating hybrid food plants that are nearly invincible; and yet your wise men over there are contemplating how to make a boat. Fucking terrible.

He's no wise man, he's just lazy and waiting for people to do everything for him.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby Pirlo on Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:44 pm

Juan_Bottom wrote:We're over here in the United States building sky scrappers, sending people into space, and creating hybrid food plants that are nearly invincible; and yet your wise men over there are contemplating how to make a boat. Fucking terrible.

He's no wise man, he's just lazy and waiting for people to do everything for him.


lmao Mr. Juan B. Dumb... no need to keep reminding us of how great, amazing, bla bla bla your fucking nation is. did you really believe he needed a boat? well, the story time is like 1200 years ago. there was nothing called "America".

stay on topic. we are not discussing America here. sky scrappers are everywhere, and btw you are not the first country who sent people to space. just saying... I don't give a shit about nations. read my profile and it will tell you how much I despise patriotism. :lol:
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby MatYahu on Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:09 pm

Highlighting words of mine in red doesnt disprove them. You didn't even cite anything that you claim would contradict the areas you have highlighted. If you feel I have spoken in error then please correct my error by citing a source, perhaps a scientific peer reviewed study or some journal. To say the Law of Energy conservation hasnt proved energy has alwasy existed, even prior to the creation of this closed system, or big bang is an outright lie. Even so if you find that the math is off, or anything at all please have evidence to support your claims, and some sort of reference I could check. Mostly everything I have used to prove my case is common knowledge anyway. Do I really have to post a link to a credible definition to abiogenesis?

Also, just a friendly piece of advice, you might want to broaden your research abilities and look into other avenues than wikipedia and google.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby Doc_Brown on Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:16 pm

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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby Army of GOD on Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:17 pm

MatYahu wrote:Also, just a friendly piece of advice, you might want to broaden your research abilities and look into other avenues than wikipedia and google.


I'm pretty sure Wiki and Google have less errors than the Bible
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby notyou2 on Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:22 pm

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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby MeDeFe on Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:48 am

MatYahu wrote:Highlighting words of mine in red doesnt disprove them. You didn't even cite anything that you claim would contradict the areas you have highlighted. If you feel I have spoken in error then please correct my error by citing a source, perhaps a scientific peer reviewed study or some journal. To say the Law of Energy conservation hasnt proved energy has alwasy existed, even prior to the creation of this closed system, or big bang is an outright lie. Even so if you find that the math is off, or anything at all please have evidence to support your claims, and some sort of reference I could check. Mostly everything I have used to prove my case is common knowledge anyway. Do I really have to post a link to a credible definition to abiogenesis?

You may notice that I clearly stated my only aspiration was to mark the places where I spotted some mistake. Yes, I didn't cite anything, I didn't go into details. Do you want to know why?

Because virtually everything you wrote is wrong on some level.

Haggis commented on a few of your points after I had fastposted him, and he's right, after a while of reading and commenting on your post there's a mental breakdown. Your drivel and the drivel you quoted from Richard Deem, a man of such great scientific renown that even creationwiki only has a stub of an article about him, and that the man's own webpage doesn't list his publications, are simply so mind-numbing that 1 hour of recuperation is required for every 10 minutes of reading and commenting. That is why I contented myself with just marking all mistakes I spotted.

At one point you try to back up what you want to pass off as a scientific concept with the bible. What can one even say to that? That you're a simpleton? I don't even know what you're trying to prove there. Is it that the bible reinforces biblical concepts? Well, congratulations, but that's utterly trivial and as such not of any interest whatsoever.

Most of what Deem writes in the parts you quoted (and frankly, your way of quoting is horrendous, it is quite hard to tell which words are Deem's, and which are your own) is nothing but wild speculation that looks impressive because it contains numbers to the power of other numbers, and because there's some terminology the average Joe would not be familiar with. You tell me that I should cite peer-reviewed sources? How about you remove the fucking plank from your own eye first and give me something to work with?


Also, just a friendly piece of advice, you might want to broaden your research abilities and look into other avenues than wikipedia and google.

Since you appear to have trouble reading, allow me to quote myself and highlight something for you.
MeDeFe wrote:I'm putting every place where you write something fallacious, make wrong or unfounded assumptions, or draw conclusions that don't actually follow in red. I'm not claiming to mark every mistake, I'll just mark the ones I can recognize off the top of my head without using Google, Wikipedia, or the university library.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby AAFitz on Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:36 am

MatYahu wrote:Energy has always existed...

It's reasonable to conclude that the Eternal Energy has intelligence. Rather super intelligence. And the creation of the universe was a premeditated act. "


Actually, it is perhaps reasonable to you, but considered insane to others. To simply conclude that because something existed implies any intelligence was exactly the inspiration for worshiping the Sun as a God. It was powerful, they didnt understand where it came from, or whence it came, so they concluded it must be a God. Even if the sun is a God, that still does not mean it is a reasonable conclusion to make until one has some actual credible evidence to indicate it is a god.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby AAFitz on Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:03 am

PLAYER57832 wrote:[People did not believe the Earth was round, it was stupid to think it would be, many thought, until they saw the evidence. You think it is stupid to believe in God because you cannot see, have not seen the evidence. However, you don't know everything there is to know, have not experienced many things. You know this in other aspects. However, for some reason think its OK, when it comes to God to just say "well, I don't see it so anyone who does is just stupid".


Conversely, people believed with all their will and might that the earth was flat, and in reality, with no real evidence to support such a belief. You also do not know everything there is to know, and have not experienced many things, and one of them being a state of not believing in a God. In some ways, a person who has believed, and has not believed very much is more enlightened than someone who has always believed.

In any case, those experiences, and things you have seen can still never constitute evidence in any real way. What they are, are simply experiences that guide your perception and beliefs. Certainly, it is impossible to know many things in this world for sure, so I dont think that you need assume any who question your belief in a God they simply have no reason or evidence to believe in as questioning your intelligence. In fact, making the assumption that those who do not believe in the same things you do, that you must be stupid for believing them is actually what is stupid.

Many here, if not most are not trying to prove believers are stupid in any way. Most are trying to engage in a debate mostly for the purposes of entertainment for the most part.

What we do know for certain and is proven is that the human mind and belief system cannot be fully trusted. It is very easily corrupted and reality is only one of the factors that shapes it. One need only research delusional psychosis, LSD use, or even read a Steven King book, to fully and immediately understand that humans can invent, and come to believe in a great many things, and in some converse relationship with reality, it are the real states of reality, with actual scientific evidence that are often the most difficult for them to come to accept, especially when they counter what they previously believed.

The human mind simply resists change, especially fundamental change, because it is not especially well equipped to deal with it. When understanding this aspect of human nature it makes it obvious that it is the strongest beliefs that can be discounted the most easily from a scientific viewpoint. They often represent a process that simply cannot be trusted, so as their strength in them increases, their credibility decreases per se, if not evidence is available to support them. This of course is only from a scientific stand point however. In reality, the strong opinions and beliefs actually become more believable on an instinctive and subconscious level, and often the more impossible they seem, the more they are believable. People are very easily swayed by things that are not true, and must be taught things that are true. There are countless examples of how this happens in human society, but when does research this and sees the examples, they very much do become more resistant to the process, to varying degrees.

In any case, no one is saying this is stupid per se, though sometimes it very much is. Only that there is no actual scientific evidence for many beliefs whatsoever, and that the belief itself, is not evidence of anything except the well...the belief itself.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby 2dimes on Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:12 pm

luns101 wrote:
CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.


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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby Army of GOD on Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:20 pm

MeDeFe wrote:
MatYahu wrote:Highlighting words of mine in red doesnt disprove them. You didn't even cite anything that you claim would contradict the areas you have highlighted. If you feel I have spoken in error then please correct my error by citing a source, perhaps a scientific peer reviewed study or some journal. To say the Law of Energy conservation hasnt proved energy has alwasy existed, even prior to the creation of this closed system, or big bang is an outright lie. Even so if you find that the math is off, or anything at all please have evidence to support your claims, and some sort of reference I could check. Mostly everything I have used to prove my case is common knowledge anyway. Do I really have to post a link to a credible definition to abiogenesis?

You may notice that I clearly stated my only aspiration was to mark the places where I spotted some mistake. Yes, I didn't cite anything, I didn't go into details. Do you want to know why?

Because virtually everything you wrote is wrong on some level.

Haggis commented on a few of your points after I had fastposted him, and he's right, after a while of reading and commenting on your post there's a mental breakdown. Your drivel and the drivel you quoted from Richard Deem, a man of such great scientific renown that even creationwiki only has a stub of an article about him, and that the man's own webpage doesn't list his publications, are simply so mind-numbing that 1 hour of recuperation is required for every 10 minutes of reading and commenting. That is why I contented myself with just marking all mistakes I spotted.

At one point you try to back up what you want to pass off as a scientific concept with the bible. What can one even say to that? That you're a simpleton? I don't even know what you're trying to prove there. Is it that the bible reinforces biblical concepts? Well, congratulations, but that's utterly trivial and as such not of any interest whatsoever.

Most of what Deem writes in the parts you quoted (and frankly, your way of quoting is horrendous, it is quite hard to tell which words are Deem's, and which are your own) is nothing but wild speculation that looks impressive because it contains numbers to the power of other numbers, and because there's some terminology the average Joe would not be familiar with. You tell me that I should cite peer-reviewed sources? How about you remove the fucking plank from your own eye first and give me something to work with?


Also, just a friendly piece of advice, you might want to broaden your research abilities and look into other avenues than wikipedia and google.

Since you appear to have trouble reading, allow me to quote myself and highlight something for you.
MeDeFe wrote:I'm putting every place where you write something fallacious, make wrong or unfounded assumptions, or draw conclusions that don't actually follow in red. I'm not claiming to mark every mistake, I'll just mark the ones I can recognize off the top of my head without using Google, Wikipedia, or the university library.


I googled a bunch of parts of his post and couldn't find a source, though I KNEW he didn't write that himself. You can tell it's just regurgitated shit.
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