Is Commander guilty?

by **Pedronicus** on Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:53 am

Leehar wrote:
However, that being said, I do remember teaming with a guy who made a really weird move in the game that he had no recollection of playing, and we discovered that it was actually his 4yo daughter that played the turn, so really, if she can drop troops (albeit in the incorrect place and attacking a neutral), then really anythings possible...

I was playing a game when my girlfriend stuck my 12 month old daughter on my lap, just after I had clicked start turn, she then reached forward and started hammering the keyboard wildly. She made quite a good deploy in the team game i was playing. Didn't allow me to attack, but considering my attack dice, i should do that more often.

by **greenoaks** on Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:13 am

if his brother did the point-dump his account still suffers the punishment. if he hijacked 40kguy's account 40kguy still suffers.

i have young children and i get very frustrated with their decisions in games. & teaching them to use the mouse was horrible, thank god they haven't been on since clickies became standard.

an unsupervised child on my account - definately a point-dump situation.

just my random thoughts

by **ljex** on Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:02 pm

commander62890 wrote:Where is the motive?

I am a wreck. I spent all day thinking about this and talking to my parents about it. We don't know how to prove it to you.

KA, how can I possibly go from spending 3-4 hours per day on CC to... not?

This is my life.

I should clarify: I don't spend 3-4 hours goofing around (although I do read the GD and Clan forums).

This is like a job for me. I don't "play" games. I do work.

The thought of joining games and then deadbeating sickens me. For one thing, it would hurt my stats, including my "percentage of turns taken" ratio. That kind of stuff is important to me.

Additionally, I am very hard on my teammates and very hard on myself.
I expect no mistakes from teammates and none from myself.
When I fucked up badly in the game with Fenrir, I was so upset with myself that I asked him to foe me as punishment.
And that was just one game.

I would not, under any circumstances, SUICIDE in 10-15 games. Are you out of your fucking minds?

Even if you did not know me prior to this event, from what you have read thus far about me, you should realize that the idea is repulsive and... unimaginable.

This is all one big joke to me, because it's not something I would ever, under any circumstances, even if you paid me $100 to do it, try.

My teammates are my friends and this game is my life.

Why would I ruin everything I have worked on for the past few years? Why?

Is there any chance, even if it is 1/1000, that their equipment is incorrect?

Because I do not see any other option.

My 14-year-old autistic brother does not have the skills nor the inclination to start Conquer Club games. Try again

by **Mageplunka69** on Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:08 pm

There is no way that i believe that commander dumped, no way in hell.....as he says, he is a asshole when i do a noob move, and is super dedicated to the games we play and i should know, 394 results on 4 pages:Totals Private12 -12 200 from 334(60%) 548 (35) Serial Killer (60%)200 Equalitarian (0.807)...thats 60% wins....so does this show a dumper....i believe not...
it shows dedication, a well rounded player , who actually goes to games, when its NOT his turn

by **owenshooter** on Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:16 pm

i don't understand the point of this thread... if this is supposed to be the opposite of the blitz thread, i doubt it will work... within the blitz thread members of the community offered up EVIDENCE and a TIME LINE and CHARTS to show what had occurred and to prove to the admins that it had not been sufficiently looked at. in this thread you have a poll and a bunch of his friends saying there is no way he did it... i don't understand how anyone can change a result based on this... they can only make decisions based on what they can prove... this thread is kind of pointless...-the black coffee

by **40kguy** on Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:40 pm

greenoaks wrote:if his brother did the point-dump his account still suffers the punishment. if he hijacked 40kguy's account 40kguy still suffers.

i have young children and i get very frustrated with their decisions in games. & teaching them to use the mouse was horrible, thank god they haven't been on since clickies became standard.

an unsupervised child on my account - definately a point-dump situation.

just my random thoughts

He went onto my account to say he didn't do it! It posses me off how people can't do that, yea they can send an e-ticket, but please tell me how many people can read that?

What commander did was without my pamission. Was I upset he did it? No, I am not, I'm glad he did it.

Also this is a business if one person spends lots of money here and there not 100% sure he did it, why ban him?

by **Rodion** on Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:41 pm

Let me get this straight: did Commander get banned FOREVER?

I kinda got this impression after reading some posts, but I also recall someone saying they've guested and stripped Commander's premium until they made sure he got his security issues solved (that would sound more like a "temporary ban for his own sake" than a perma one).

So, can anyone tell me the current decision?

A permanent ban sounds extremely harsh and I wouldn't like to see that happen.

by **jpcloet** on Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:54 pm

13 pages now in C&A and virtually no additional facts added. Lots of opinions though.

by **jackal31** on Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:57 pm

jpcloet wrote:13 pages now in C&A and virtually no additional facts added. Lots of opinions though.

what else is there to add? Even the Mod's have admitted theres very little "evidence" to look at.

by **jpcloet** on Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:02 pm

With a certain case, there was lots of details by games as to actions or inaction. I have not seen that for this case as to narrow time lines. Better yet a pattern analysis as to how commander normally plays and to what happened on that day. People are creatures of habit.

by **40kguy** on Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:14 pm

jpcloet wrote:With a certain case, there was lots of details by games as to actions or inaction. I have not seen that for this case as to narrow time lines. Better yet a pattern analysis as to how commander normally plays and to what happened on that day. People are creatures of habit.

He said no one was in his house! He almost got several people baned by saying so! There's a fact for yea

by **jackal31** on Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:17 pm

jpcloet wrote:With a certain case, there was lots of details by games as to actions or inaction. I have not seen that for this case as to narrow time lines. Better yet a pattern analysis as to how commander normally plays and to what happened on that day. People are creatures of habit.

I did send a pm to KA and ES to help with the timeline. The thread was locked at the time, but I was trying to assist with that. Either way though, I dont know how much good that will do. I was almost hoping two people were logged in at the same time during that timeline. I am leaving it up to them now though. That is all I have to contribute as far as evidence goes.

by **Gold Knight** on Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:18 pm

owenshooter wrote:i don't understand the point of this thread... if this is supposed to be the opposite of the blitz thread, i doubt it will work... within the blitz thread members of the community offered up EVIDENCE and a TIME LINE and CHARTS to show what had occurred and to prove to the admins that it had not been sufficiently looked at. in this thread you have a poll and a bunch of his friends saying there is no way he did it... i don't understand how anyone can change a result based on this... they can only make decisions based on what they can prove... this thread is kind of pointless...-the black coffee

I would just like to point out how spot on this analysis of the the current situation is, and it is not entirely the fault of the Hunters/Site. The public makes a giant outcry for the evidence to be looked at (a second time) against Blitz, but then demand that the evidence in the Commander case be disregarded and that we just believe him because his "CC friends" dont think he did it. I understand the lack of clarity of not revealing their techniques of getting their information, but that's Lack's decision, not the Hunters.

by **VampireM** on Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:28 pm

i dont know the guy, and everyone talks extremely highly of him.. but if the mods took the time to check the ip addresses and there is only his ip logged into the account then dont u think that him saying "i didnt do it and no one in my house did it" is a really weak defense? I agree with the mods on this case... all evidence points towards him or his responsibility..

bottom line, the account (him or not) was used to break the rules.. evidence points to him, he is going to take the fall...

by **greenoaks** on Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:33 pm

VampireM wrote:i dont know the guy, and everyone talks extremely highly of him.. but if the mods took the time to check the ip addresses and there is only his ip logged into the account then dont u think that him saying "i didnt do it and no one in my house did it" is a really weak defense? I agree with the mods on this case... all evidence points towards him or his responsibility..

bottom line, the account (him or not) was used to break the rules.. evidence points to him, he is going to take the fall...

that is exactly the way i see it

by **Rodion** on Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:34 pm

Can I get an answer to my former post's question?

by **ljex** on Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:47 pm

Rodion wrote:Let me get this straight: did Commander get banned FOREVER?

I kinda got this impression after reading some posts, but I also recall someone saying they've guested and stripped Commander's premium until they made sure he got his security issues solved (that would sound more like a "temporary ban for his own sake" than a perma one).

So, can anyone tell me the current decision?

A permanent ban sounds extremely harsh and I wouldn't like to see that happen.

he has been perma banned baring evidence that says he didnt do it

by **patrickaa317** on Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:56 pm

I've played with Commander a fair amount of times, enough where he took the co-captain position for me in Merch's Interclan Galactic tourney. He was/is honestly one of the last people I would ever imagine doing something like this, he always played very competitively but never got super pissed if things didn't go his way.

I haven't read through the pages and pages of bantering/evidence but I will say if he is permabanned it doesn't do a bit of good for CC, if anything I think it hurts them losing a quality player.

by **Rodion** on Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:29 pm

Depriving Commander of his fun permanently because of this is really draconian.

I don't really have evidence to acquit him or any legal gambit whatsoever, I just think it's wrong to permanently (as in forever) screw a bona fide player for something that makes no sense (him deliberately losing those points).

It saddens me that a decision like this is standing.

by **pearljamrox2** on Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:38 pm

Colonel Mustard, in the Kitchen......with the candlestick?

by **codeblue1018** on Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:41 pm

Rodion wrote:Depriving Commander of his fun permanently because of this is really draconian.

I don't really have evidence to acquit him or any legal gambit whatsoever, I just think it's wrong to permanently (as in forever) screw a bona fide player for something that makes no sense (him deliberately losing those points).

It saddens me that a decision like this is standing.

Couldn't agree with you more; he is a very competitive player who has one goal, winning! I've seen this firsthand in our team games, both with and against as countless others have stated also. Although my opinion means nothing, I will express it nonetheless; I do not believe Commander would do anything remotely close to what we all witnessed; not a chance! I also hope the mods are 100% certain in their findings and if they're not, no way should this be the outcome.

by **jpcloet** on Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:34 am

40kguy wrote:He said no one was in his house! He almost got several people baned by saying so! There's a fact for yea

I hope you are not a lawyer. If he was not home, he cannot guarantee someone else was not in his house.

More like, "when I left the house, no one was there to my knowledge." would be a more accurate fact. After that is free game.

by **jefjef** on Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:20 am

Has any of commanders defenders bothered to establish that he is never on that time of morning during school days? If you can do that then MAYBE CC will see it as possibly not him...

by **ljex** on Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:25 am

jefjef wrote:Has any of commanders defenders bothered to establish that he is never on that time of morning during school days? If you can do that then MAYBE CC will see it as possibly not him...

I don't know about now but back in the day when we were roommates it was not unusual for him to miss class so it is a very real possibility that sometimes he is on at that time and sometimes he is not.

by **Ace Rimmer** on Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:26 am

owenshooter wrote:i don't understand the point of this thread... if this is supposed to be the opposite of the blitz thread, i doubt it will work... within the blitz thread members of the community offered up EVIDENCE and a TIME LINE and CHARTS to show what had occurred and to prove to the admins that it had not been sufficiently looked at. in this thread you have a poll and a bunch of his friends saying there is no way he did it... i don't understand how anyone can change a result based on this... they can only make decisions based on what they can prove... this thread is kind of pointless...-the black coffee

The evidence against him (and specifically how it is gathered) is not being given. There is very little evidence that can be used to show innocence when the judge and jury refuse to show it. I'm not saying they're necessarily wrong in this case - but there's no way to refute the evidence when it's impossible to see it.