Obama releases longer birth certifcate

[Phatscotty]

Personally, I'd like Obama to release proof he won the Nobel Peace Prize. You'd have to be insane to give a peace prize to that butcher. I remain unconvinced that the Nobel Committee is insane. Incredible claims require incredible evidence.

proof

[MeDeFe]

Thankfully we can focus on real issues like President Obama's college grades.

And before you jump on the conservatives, recall that we heard about President Bush's grades on a regular basis.

I love and hate US politics.

we don't really need to focus on that. He can release that with a snap of his fingers before he finishing eating an Oreo.

My only focus is beating him in 2012.

You're running for president?

[Symmetry]

Yay- birtherism is finished. Fox news and half of American conservatives have been shown to be deluded. Mr Obama is legally president.

YAY? Birtherism only benefits Obama. Why do you think it was the left media who mentioned the birthers 30 times a day for 2.5 years? It wasnt a fox issue. Msnbc owned the birther issue, even Chriss Matthews featured the issue in his "lean forward" video. The left loved birthers, because it allows them to do what they do best. Call people names and tell them they are crazy.

The truth is, birthers wanted to see the evidence before they made a decision. birth-believers took him at his word and needed no evidence before making a decision. Taking politician's word for it always ends well.

Why did he let 2.5 years go by before doing this? "Never let a crisis go to waste" This should have been done before the election.

Anyone else notice Trump is making Obama dance to his tune? how long until Obama releases his college transcript per Trumps orders? (again, supporters will defend Obamas intelligence with ZERO evidence. among the Atheists who support him on his intelligence, I will bring up the "mystic" aspect)

The other truth is, it's not just some Americans think he was foriegn born because of his birth certificate, or his sandbagging of it, it is also because he has an African Name as well as a Muslim Name (he was born a Muslim), as well as he represents the antithesis of "traditional American Values". IE, he does not act American and his ideas are not American.

Glad Obama finally decided to put it to rest. I only hope he doesn't gain as much as he thinks he did and this game he played backfires on him.

All I am saying is this, when I want to know something about someone, I like to look at their voting records, grades, their thesis papers etc. given Obama voted "present" 98% of his time as a Senator, I really still do not know jack about him other than what he's done the last 2.5 years, which is to pump of the birther issue.

And the mad scramble to pretend that this wasn't a bunch of right wingers questioning the birthplace of the first black president begins! *Gets popcorn*

Predictions: By the end of this Scotty will have have convinced himself that

1) Only the left talked about this
2) It was invented by the left
3) Nobody on the right really believed it- they were just curious
4) There was no racism involved anyway
5) Obama was secretly using the whole issue as part of a masterplan
6) This release was somehow both a triumph for Obama's masterplan while also somehow a victory for the right. I'm not sure how that works either. Scotty will elaborate.

MSNBC has been by far the largest flamer considering birthers. I do not make facts, I just observe them. Everyone has talked about it. only MSNBC made numerous ads including the birth issue in them. I have spoken about this here many times and even pointed it out as it was happening.

It was invented by Hillary Clinton (requested in 2008 primaries)
mostly people on the right believed this (don't know where this came from) people on the left used it.
racism? against whites???
Obama did play games with it, obviosuly he could have released it a long time ago.
this is a media victory for Donald Trump, 100%

Carry on dude, I'm listening. It's like you're trying to work out a conspiracy theory about a conspiracy theory. I'm interested in which narrative the right finally goes for.

[Night Strike]

Further, who gives a flying fig if the president was born in Zimbabwe, Malaysia, Canada, or whatever? The country of your birth does not determine qualifications of a president. If we want to talk about intent of the framers, was it really this?

I can't believe you just said that. The Constitution is pretty explicit that the country of birth DOES determine whether a person is qualified to be president.



In other news, is this all a cover-up for the federal reserve meeting and their first ever press conference? What's really going on in Washington today while the media fixates on the birth certificate?

[Phatscotty]

which part is the conspiracy?

that Hillary requested his birth certificate in 2008? or that Obama was playing games for 2.5 years? or that Obama gave in to Trumps demands means victory for Trump? I love a good conspiracy, but these are just factual statements.

[saxitoxin]

Factually, Scott is correct.

Where did this idea come from? Who started it? And is there a grain of truth there?

The answer lies in Democratic, not Republican politics, and in the bitter, exhausting spring of 2008. At the time, the Democratic presidential primary was slipping away from Hillary Clinton and some of her most passionate supporters grasped for something, anything that would deal a final reversal to Barack Obama.

The theory first emerged in the spring of 2008, as Clinton supporters circulated an anonymous email questioning Obama’s citizenship.

“Barack Obama’s mother was living in Kenya with his Arab-African father late in her pregnancy. She was not allowed to travel by plane then, so Barack Obama was born there and his mother then took him to Hawaii to register his birth,” asserted one chain email from the Clinton campaign that surfaced on the urban legend site Snopes.com in April 2008.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/04 ... z1KklBJNKF

Should a birther conspiracy nut, such as Hillary Clinton, be running the US foreign ministry? Does it show good judgment and leadership to appoint conspiracy nutzoids to high offices of state? These are legitimate avenues of debate.

[spurgistan]

Further, who gives a flying fig if the president was born in Zimbabwe, Malaysia, Canada, or whatever? The country of your birth does not determine qualifications of a president. If we want to talk about intent of the framers, was it really this?

I can't believe you just said that. The Constitution is pretty explicit that the country of birth DOES determine whether a person is qualified to be president.



In other news, is this all a cover-up for the federal reserve meeting and their first ever press conference? What's really going on in Washington today while the media fixates on the birth certificate?

It's possible that the framers had reasons for saying that the President had to be a "Natural-born Citizen" that may not apply anymore. You know, our chances of being overrun by the Brits have declined a bit the last 2 centuries. Granted, this convo is bullshit because Obama is a natural-born citizen, and the people who've been less than decisive about answering questions regarded to said status are in the Republican caucus. Hillary was kinda desperate towards the end of the primary. Anybody else remember the red telephone ad? That was a good one.

Also, If I were Barack Obama, I'd be sure to put the recession-lengthening policies of the Fed front and center. Given that they're really not his policies.

[thegreekdog]

Further, who gives a flying fig if the president was born in Zimbabwe, Malaysia, Canada, or whatever? The country of your birth does not determine qualifications of a president. If we want to talk about intent of the framers, was it really this?

I can't believe you just said that. The Constitution is pretty explicit that the country of birth DOES determine whether a person is qualified to be president.



In other news, is this all a cover-up for the federal reserve meeting and their first ever press conference? What's really going on in Washington today while the media fixates on the birth certificate?

Who did the framers have in mind when putting this qualification in:

(1) Someone born in the US who moves to China when he is a year old, lives in China for 45 years, and then comes back here to run for president; or
(2) Someone born in China who moves to the US when he is a year old, lives here for 45 years, and then runs for president.

While I am a strict constructionist, the intent of the framers was to prohibit a foreigner from becoming president. Barack Obama is not a foreigner. The guy in #2 is not a foreigner.

[spurgistan]

Also, isn't the concept of "Natural-born Citizen" a bit murky? Kinda like "Well-regulated militia?"

/not a constitutional scholar
// read it once. I get about 25 of the amendments right on Sporcle.

[isaiah40]

It is still a Certificate of Live Birth, NOT a Birth Certificate. I have both, and the federal government only accepts the Birth Certificate.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[PLAYER57832]

Further, who gives a flying fig if the president was born in Zimbabwe, Malaysia, Canada, or whatever? The country of your birth does not determine qualifications of a president. If we want to talk about intent of the framers, was it really this?

I can't believe you just said that. The Constitution is pretty explicit that the country of birth DOES determine whether a person is qualified to be president.



In other news, is this all a cover-up for the federal reserve meeting and their first ever press conference? What's really going on in Washington today while the media fixates on the birth certificate?

Who did the framers have in mind when putting this qualification in:

(1) Someone born in the US who moves to China when he is a year old, lives in China for 45 years, and then comes back here to run for president; or
(2) Someone born in China who moves to the US when he is a year old, lives here for 45 years, and then runs for president.

While I am a strict constructionist, the intent of the framers was to prohibit a foreigner from becoming president. Barack Obama is not a foreigner. The guy in #2 is not a foreigner.

I agree with Night strike ????

(on the constitution issue, I definitely do NOT question that he was born in the US!)
No, the intent was to ensure those elected to our highest office were born in the US.

Ironically enough, Obama spent some time outside the US, going to school while in elementary school. However, in today's world, most people consider that a positive awareness. Only a few persist in claiming that he is suspect on the birth grounds.

[PLAYER57832]

Further, who gives a flying fig if the president was born in Zimbabwe, Malaysia, Canada, or whatever? The country of your birth does not determine qualifications of a president. If we want to talk about intent of the framers, was it really this?

I can't believe you just said that. The Constitution is pretty explicit that the country of birth DOES determine whether a person is qualified to be president.



In other news, is this all a cover-up for the federal reserve meeting and their first ever press conference? What's really going on in Washington today while the media fixates on the birth certificate?

It's possible that the framers had reasons for saying that the President had to be a "Natural-born Citizen" that may not apply anymore. You know, our chances of being overrun by the Brits have declined a bit the last 2 centuries.

It was not about being British, it was about ensuring that the leader of this country would be fully American. Note that anyone heree at the nation's inception was also allowed (though of course that part IS irrelevant now).

The question has been raise din reference to Arnold S.. Not much since he made such a fiasco of his governorship, but it was raised very seriously back a bit. Few truly want it changed.

[PLAYER57832]

Look Phatscotty - the issue was created by conservatives and it was exploited by the president and Democrats (and conservatives too I suppose). If the issue wasn't created in the first place, it would not have been able to be exploited.

Further, who gives a flying fig if the president was born in Zimbabwe, Malaysia, Canada, or whatever? The country of your birth does not determine qualifications of a president. If we want to talk about intent of the framers, was it really this?

I thought it was Hillary Clinton who created the issue during the 2008 primaries? I could be wrong.

anyhoo, heres the longform B.C.

Keep attempting to convince us you aren'ta racist... the KKK might actually believe you!

[Phatscotty]

Look Phatscotty - the issue was created by conservatives and it was exploited by the president and Democrats (and conservatives too I suppose). If the issue wasn't created in the first place, it would not have been able to be exploited.

Further, who gives a flying fig if the president was born in Zimbabwe, Malaysia, Canada, or whatever? The country of your birth does not determine qualifications of a president. If we want to talk about intent of the framers, was it really this?

I thought it was Hillary Clinton who created the issue during the 2008 primaries? I could be wrong.

anyhoo, heres the longform B.C.

Keep attempting to convince us you aren'ta racist... the KKK might actually believe you!

Yes, because this is all about a serious attempt to prove Obama is Kenya. If Symmetry would stop telling me how to make posts and include this in the OP, well....I still would shared it. Good times

Learn how to laugh

[pimpdave]

before he finishing eating an Oreo.

My only focus is beating him in 2012.

Well, if your plan is to do that by stuffing your face with Oreos, apparently you've been hard at work for most of your adult life.

[Symmetry]

Look Phatscotty - the issue was created by conservatives and it was exploited by the president and Democrats (and conservatives too I suppose). If the issue wasn't created in the first place, it would not have been able to be exploited.

Further, who gives a flying fig if the president was born in Zimbabwe, Malaysia, Canada, or whatever? The country of your birth does not determine qualifications of a president. If we want to talk about intent of the framers, was it really this?

I thought it was Hillary Clinton who created the issue during the 2008 primaries? I could be wrong.

anyhoo, heres the longform B.C.

Keep attempting to convince us you aren'ta racist... the KKK might actually believe you!

Yes, because this is all about a serious attempt to prove Obama is Kenya. If Symmetry would stop telling me how to make posts and include this in the OP, well....I still would shared it. Good times

Learn how to laugh

I don't think I'll be putting that in the OP, it reeks of a desperate attempt to laugh the whole thing off. You seem pretty uncomfortable about this.

Perhaps I should have included

7) Hey- it was all a joke

in my list.

[Phatscotty]

Still trying to make it the issue that it never was (in my case)? I just wanted him to release it (to end the sillies) and pondered from time to time why he did not release it yet.

And it wasn't all a joke.....just this.

c'mon guys...666 Muslim St.?

[saxitoxin]

Still trying to make it the issue that it never was (in my case)? I just wanted him to release it (to end the sillies) and pondered from time to time why he did not release it yet.

And it wasn't all a joke.....just this.

c'mon guys...666 Muslim St.?

[Symmetry]

Still trying to make it the issue that it never was (in my case)? I just wanted him to release it (to end the sillies) and pondered from time to time why he did not release it yet.

And it wasn't all a joke.....just this.

c'mon guys...666 Muslim St.?

*sigh* he published it in 2008, when he was campaigning. What was wrong with that one?

If you pondered from time to time why he didn't produce the longer version, perhaps you should ask why you doubted the short version, and answer what you expected to see.

Of course, it's only been a few months since Obama has been legally allowed to release the long form birth certificate- it required a change in Hawaiian state law to do so. Still you feel that he was wrong. Still you think he deliberately withheld it.

[Phatscotty]

Still trying to make it the issue that it never was (in my case)? I just wanted him to release it (to end the sillies) and pondered from time to time why he did not release it yet.

And it wasn't all a joke.....just this.

c'mon guys...666 Muslim St.?

*sigh* he published it in 2008, when he was campaigning. What was wrong with that one?

If you pondered from time to time why he didn't produce the longer version, perhaps you should ask why you doubted the short version, and answer what you expected to see.

Of course, it's only been a few months since Obama has been legally allowed to release the long form birth certificate- it required a change in Hawaiian state law to do so. Still you feel that he was wrong. Still you think he deliberately withheld it.

is it true they had to change the law so he could release the BC, from the previous law that was changed to seal his BC?

good points thought I'm gonna look into them.

[Night Strike]

Further, who gives a flying fig if the president was born in Zimbabwe, Malaysia, Canada, or whatever? The country of your birth does not determine qualifications of a president. If we want to talk about intent of the framers, was it really this?

I can't believe you just said that. The Constitution is pretty explicit that the country of birth DOES determine whether a person is qualified to be president.



In other news, is this all a cover-up for the federal reserve meeting and their first ever press conference? What's really going on in Washington today while the media fixates on the birth certificate?

Who did the framers have in mind when putting this qualification in:

(1) Someone born in the US who moves to China when he is a year old, lives in China for 45 years, and then comes back here to run for president; or
(2) Someone born in China who moves to the US when he is a year old, lives here for 45 years, and then runs for president.

While I am a strict constructionist, the intent of the framers was to prohibit a foreigner from becoming president. Barack Obama is not a foreigner. The guy in #2 is not a foreigner.

I agree with Night strike ????

(on the constitution issue, I definitely do NOT question that he was born in the US!)
No, the intent was to ensure those elected to our highest office were born in the US.

Ironically enough, Obama spent some time outside the US, going to school while in elementary school. However, in today's world, most people consider that a positive awareness. Only a few persist in claiming that he is suspect on the birth grounds.

Just to clarify, we also agree that Obama was born in the US. I've always thought that it was/is highly suspect that Obama won't release the personal documents that were demanded (and derided) of Bush, but I've never thought he wasn't born in the US.

However, as TGD alludes to, Obama DID spend his formative years in another country, which explains his beliefs that the US is a mean and unfair country. His father was a strong believer in the US being the imperial nation and that any action we take in another country is wrong. We know he was frequently around people who are avowed Communists, both during his schooling and in his professional/political career, which is why he frequently speaks about spreading the wealth and making sure the rich have to pay more. And why he's now saying that it's America's spending on social programs that has always made this country great (even though his "always" only refers to the last century, not the entire history of the country). Those are all way more relevant to how Obama leads the country.

[saxitoxin]

Still trying to make it the issue that it never was (in my case)? I just wanted him to release it (to end the sillies) and pondered from time to time why he did not release it yet.

And it wasn't all a joke.....just this.

c'mon guys...666 Muslim St.?

*sigh* he published it in 2008, when he was campaigning.

Why did he do that? Is it customary to publish a birth certificate while campaigning? Did someone demand to see it or something?

[Phatscotty]

Still trying to make it the issue that it never was (in my case)? I just wanted him to release it (to end the sillies) and pondered from time to time why he did not release it yet.

And it wasn't all a joke.....just this.

c'mon guys...666 Muslim St.?

*sigh* he published it in 2008, when he was campaigning.

Why did he do that? Is it customary to publish a birth certificate while campaigning? Did someone demand to see it or something?

he's referring to the certificate of live birth

[keyborn]

Yay- birtherism is finished. Fox news and half of American conservatives have been shown to be deluded. Mr Obama is legally president.

Could have avoided all this "silliness" if he would have coughed up the frigging thing three years ago.

[Symmetry]

Yay- birtherism is finished. Fox news and half of American conservatives have been shown to be deluded. Mr Obama is legally president.

Could have avoided all this "silliness" if he would have coughed up the frigging thing three years ago.

He did. Only birthers needed extra explanation.