Obama releases longer birth certifcate

[Symmetry]

I have stated it before that it became a non-issue when he came into office, because nobody with power would give it serious attention. Point is, he could have put the concept away long ago.

Ha- really? Nobody with power gave it serious attention?

Political candidates and elected officials who bought into this.

I also note several Republican legislatures who want to, or wanted to pass bills demanding that a presidential candidate show a birth certificate.

Are you really trying to say that nobody with power pandered to this? I note a lot of candidates for the Republican presidential nomination on that list.

Nobody with the power to do anything about it. Those people have political pull in one way or another, but not the wherewithal to bring suit against him if they had evidence to the contrary. Anyways, non-issue by my standards for a long time.

Good to hear that it's a non-issue now. Weird to hear that political pull isn't power anymore. Weirder to see you backtracking and saying you haven't been bothered for a long time. You've even posted several times in this thread, mostly easily disproven stuff. Now you're saying that you never cared.

Infantile.

So what, I didn't care anyway.

[Mr_Adams]

Nobody with the power to do anything about it. Those people have political pull in one way or another, but not the wherewithal to bring suit against him if they had evidence to the contrary. Anyways, non-issue by my standards for a long time.

Good to hear that it's a non-issue now. Weird to hear that political pull isn't power anymore. Weirder to see you backtracking and saying you haven't been bothered for a long time. You've even posted several times in this thread, mostly easily disproven stuff. Now you're saying that you never cared.

Infantile.

So what, I didn't care anyway.

You really want me to hunt this down in the forums?

[Mr_Adams]

Thread: Donald Trump for President? (PLEASE NO!)
page 1, post 10
Date: 4/1/2011

Ok, then why does [the birth certificate issue] still come up? My gosh, people are stupid. Back on topic, DON'T VOTE FOR TRUMP.

Well, at least he'd fire people...

But you will continue to mis-characterize me. That is the kind of game you and your's play. "You don't like him, you are racist", "You are outspokenly conservative, you are a conspiracy theorist". To each his own.

[Symmetry]

Thread: Donald Trump for President? (PLEASE NO!)
page 1, post 10
Date: 4/1/2011

Ok, then why does [the birth certificate issue] still come up? My gosh, people are stupid. Back on topic, DON'T VOTE FOR TRUMP.

Well, at least he'd fire people...

But you will continue to mis-characterize me. That is the kind of game you and your's play. "You don't like him, you are racist", "You are outspokenly conservative, you are a conspiracy theorist". To each his own.

This is the post just after I had to post the short form birth certificate right? This is your response to me pointing out that it was published in 2008, acknowledging that it's stupid to keep bringing it up?

And yet here you are in this thread claiming the same shit:


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I love how people seem to think that if you believe the man was born in another country, you are a racist. It just tickles me.

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Hey guys, this is still the stupidest thing ever in presidential history.

Ya, it is. 2 1/2 years of controversy that could have been dispelled in 2 1/2 minutes.

You seem to have a bit of trouble letting this birtherism go.

[thegreekdog]

You are grasping at straws Symmetry. Mr_Adams has not indicated he is an Obama birther conspiracy theorist. These quotes you posted don't indicate it either.

The first post is a commentary on the difference between racism and xenophobia (or racism and idiocy, more appropriately). Believing someone is from another country does not make the believer racist.

The second post is a commentary on how the Obama administration has used the birther conspiracy to its advantage by showing its opponents as being idiots.

I'm not sure you're going to find many birthers in these forums (fortunately).

[Symmetry]

You are grasping at straws Symmetry. Mr_Adams has not indicated he is an Obama birther conspiracy theorist. These quotes you posted don't indicate it either.

The first post is a commentary on the difference between racism and xenophobia (or racism and idiocy, more appropriately). Believing someone is from another country does not make the believer racist.

The second post is a commentary on how the Obama administration has used the birther conspiracy to its advantage by showing its opponents as being idiots.

I'm not sure you're going to find many birthers in these forums (fortunately).

Sorry dude- the post that Mr Adams is referring back to was a birther post. He and I are referring back to an earlier argument in another thread- he's posting the end of that argument where he finally sees reason and admits that this was settled a long time ago.

I then see him making the same set of arguments in this thread, what am I supposed to do? He acknowledges that this was settled 2 and 1/2 years ago, and that people are stupid if they keep believing in it, then posts in this thread that this should have been settled 2 and 1/2 years ago?

[thegreekdog]

You are grasping at straws Symmetry. Mr_Adams has not indicated he is an Obama birther conspiracy theorist. These quotes you posted don't indicate it either.

The first post is a commentary on the difference between racism and xenophobia (or racism and idiocy, more appropriately). Believing someone is from another country does not make the believer racist.

The second post is a commentary on how the Obama administration has used the birther conspiracy to its advantage by showing its opponents as being idiots.

I'm not sure you're going to find many birthers in these forums (fortunately).

Sorry dude- the post that Mr Adams is referring back to was a birther post. He and I are referring back to an earlier argument in another thread- he's posting the end of that argument where he finally sees reason and admits that this was settled a long time ago.

Why aren't you quoting the birther posts then? I'm no attorney, but you'd have better evidence posting his birther posts.

[Symmetry]

You are grasping at straws Symmetry. Mr_Adams has not indicated he is an Obama birther conspiracy theorist. These quotes you posted don't indicate it either.

The first post is a commentary on the difference between racism and xenophobia (or racism and idiocy, more appropriately). Believing someone is from another country does not make the believer racist.

The second post is a commentary on how the Obama administration has used the birther conspiracy to its advantage by showing its opponents as being idiots.

I'm not sure you're going to find many birthers in these forums (fortunately).

Sorry dude- the post that Mr Adams is referring back to was a birther post. He and I are referring back to an earlier argument in another thread- he's posting the end of that argument where he finally sees reason and admits that this was settled a long time ago.

Why aren't you quoting the birther posts then? I'm no attorney, but you'd have better evidence posting his birther posts.

Give me a fair chance- I was searching in between the last post and this one. No idea why Mr Adams didn't feel like posting the thread, but then again, it doesn't make him look good really.

Here

[Mr_Adams]

Ok, the other post in that thread that had anything to do with the birther thing was this:

Trump was on The View recently and sounded pretty good
until he brought up Obama's birth certificate.
Ha ha! What a joke.

He still hasn't produced it. why doesn't he just make it public record and shut everybody up? And the fact that he was welcome on the view says enough. I think the presidential talk is a buisness move for him.

AGAIN, as TGD said, just pointing out how stupid it was that Big O was using it as a political tool. oVo was the one who brought the birther topic up. I made that thread with the intention of discussing why Trump wouldn't make a good president based on political and economic issues. If you read anything else into it, it's all in your head.

[thegreekdog]

Unfortunately, Symmetry's accusations look like they will be a microcosm of the presidential debates in 2012.

President Obama: Didn't you come out and say that I should just produce my birth certificate?
Republican Nominee: Yes, but...
President Obama: You, sir, are racist and an idiot besides.
Republican Nominee: Look, I don't really care. Can we talk about something else? At least something more appropriate for a presidential debate?
President Obama: Yes we can, but not the economy, healthcare or intervention in foreign affairs. I have a limited understanding of these things. Hope and change people, hope and change! Also, you are racist and an idiot.

[Symmetry]

Ok, the other post in that thread that had anything to do with the birther thing was this:

Trump was on The View recently and sounded pretty good
until he brought up Obama's birth certificate.
Ha ha! What a joke.

He still hasn't produced it. why doesn't he just make it public record and shut everybody up? And the fact that he was welcome on the view says enough. I think the presidential talk is a buisness move for him.

AGAIN, as TGD said, just pointing out how stupid it was that Big O was using it as a political tool. oVo was the one who brought the birther topic up. I made that thread with the intention of discussing why Trump wouldn't make a good president based on political and economic issues. If you read anything else into it, it's all in your head.

And of course. that was the point that I corrected you on, and you admitted to be stupid, and you then went ahead and repeated in this thread.

Just give me this and I'll leave of criticising you on the subject. Do you believe that

1) Obama proved it 2 and a 1/2 years ago and only stupid people continued to believe. (That thread)
or
2) Obama did nothing to prove it for 2 and 1/2 years. (This thread)

Should I believe what you said in the other thread, or should I believe what you're saying now? Or is it that neither represent what you're thinking? Or that you've changed your mind?

No matter which way you want to paint this, you accepted that he produced his birth certificate in an earlier thread, and called people stupid who believed he didn't. Now you're on this thread claiming that Obama didn't produce his birth certificate. A mess.

[Symmetry]

Unfortunately, Symmetry's accusations look like they will be a microcosm of the presidential debates in 2012.

President Obama: Didn't you come out and say that I should just produce my birth certificate?
Republican Nominee: Yes, but...
President Obama: You, sir, are racist and an idiot besides.
Republican Nominee: Look, I don't really care. Can we talk about something else? At least something more appropriate for a presidential debate?
President Obama: Yes we can, but not the economy, healthcare or intervention in foreign affairs. I have a limited understanding of these things. Hope and change people, hope and change! Also, you are racist and an idiot.

And yet the current forntrunner in the polls, Mr Trump, is pretty much running on popularism and birther politics. I see he's now campaigning for the release of Obama's report cards.

Still- you raise a fair point. Republican candidates are all about the serious issues.

[Mr_Adams]

Ok, the other post in that thread that had anything to do with the birther thing was this:

Trump was on The View recently and sounded pretty good
until he brought up Obama's birth certificate.
Ha ha! What a joke.

He still hasn't produced it. why doesn't he just make it public record and shut everybody up? And the fact that he was welcome on the view says enough. I think the presidential talk is a buisness move for him.

AGAIN, as TGD said, just pointing out how stupid it was that Big O was using it as a political tool. oVo was the one who brought the birther topic up. I made that thread with the intention of discussing why Trump wouldn't make a good president based on political and economic issues. If you read anything else into it, it's all in your head.

And of course. that was the point that I corrected you on, and you admitted to be stupid, and you then went ahead and repeated in this thread.

Just give me this and I'll leave of criticising you on the subject. Do you believe that

1) Obama proved it 2 and a 1/2 years ago and only stupid people continued to believe. (That thread)
or
2) Obama did nothing to prove it for 2 and 1/2 years. (This thread)

Should I believe what you said in the other thread, or should I believe what you're saying now? Or is it that neither represent what you're thinking? Or that you've changed your mind?

No matter which way you want to paint this, you accepted that he produced his birth certificate in an earlier thread, and called people stupid who believed he didn't. Now you're on this thread claiming that Obama didn't produce his birth certificate. A mess.

Considering that we are talking about 2 separate documents, all I can say is that you are full of crap. In that thread I said I was convinced with the Certificate of Live Birth, in this thread I stated that he should have released the long form birth certificate 2 years ago when the issue persisted, just to shut people up. No matter which way you paint it, I have been consistent, and you (as usual) are misrepresenting facts.

[thegreekdog]

Republican candidates are all about the serious issues.

Woah... holy blanket statement Batman!

[Symmetry]

Ok, the other post in that thread that had anything to do with the birther thing was this:

Trump was on The View recently and sounded pretty good
until he brought up Obama's birth certificate.
Ha ha! What a joke.

He still hasn't produced it. why doesn't he just make it public record and shut everybody up? And the fact that he was welcome on the view says enough. I think the presidential talk is a buisness move for him.

AGAIN, as TGD said, just pointing out how stupid it was that Big O was using it as a political tool. oVo was the one who brought the birther topic up. I made that thread with the intention of discussing why Trump wouldn't make a good president based on political and economic issues. If you read anything else into it, it's all in your head.

And of course. that was the point that I corrected you on, and you admitted to be stupid, and you then went ahead and repeated in this thread.

Just give me this and I'll leave of criticising you on the subject. Do you believe that

1) Obama proved it 2 and a 1/2 years ago and only stupid people continued to believe. (That thread)
or
2) Obama did nothing to prove it for 2 and 1/2 years. (This thread)

Should I believe what you said in the other thread, or should I believe what you're saying now? Or is it that neither represent what you're thinking? Or that you've changed your mind?

No matter which way you want to paint this, you accepted that he produced his birth certificate in an earlier thread, and called people stupid who believed he didn't. Now you're on this thread claiming that Obama didn't produce his birth certificate. A mess.

Considering that we are talking about 2 separate documents, all I can say is that you are full of crap. In that thread I said I was convinced with the Certificate of Live Birth, in this thread I stated that he should have released the long form birth certificate 2 years ago when the issue persisted, just to shut people up. No matter which way you paint it, I have been consistent, and you (as usual) are misrepresenting facts.

Surely we're talking about what you consider to be a birth certificate. There are two documents- the one you accepted as proof in the last thread, and the one that you're accepting now.

How am I full of crap? You said one thing, now you say another. I ask which I should believe, you call me "full of crap".

Then you post a bunch of inaccurate stuff to back up your claims. The issue still persists. He issued the birth certificate two years ago. He wasn't legally allowed to have the long form version of the birth certificate. You weren't consistent in your last thread. Then it was a virtue- you at least admitted that you were wrong.

[Phatscotty]

Hey guys, this is still the stupidest thing ever in presidential history.

Yup. it was sooooo stupid that it backfired fantastically.

[Phatscotty]

I note a lot of candidates for the Republican presidential nomination on that list.

I wouldn't say Michele Bachman should be on the list.

Chris Christie is not on the list. I'm not sure whether he's addressed the non-issue. Although, I've heard tell that conservative no longer like him (I'm not certain of the reason).

global warming

[Phatscotty]

Thread: Donald Trump for President? (PLEASE NO!)
page 1, post 10
Date: 4/1/2011

Ok, then why does [the birth certificate issue] still come up? My gosh, people are stupid. Back on topic, DON'T VOTE FOR TRUMP.

Well, at least he'd fire people...

But you will continue to mis-characterize me. That is the kind of game you and your's play. "You don't like him, you are racist", "You are outspokenly conservative, you are a conspiracy theorist". To each his own.

This "game" is what it was all about. It fueled the "racist" chants across America for 2.5 years. (the very same racism everyone thought electing a dark skinned president was supposed to heal)

The highest race card ever played. The Race of Spades

[Phatscotty]

And yet the current forntrunner in the polls, Mr Trump...

My opinion on this (even though really nobody in the polls is actually running yet....) Trump is leading in the polls because the American People are seeing and hearing leadership.

[thegreekdog]

I note a lot of candidates for the Republican presidential nomination on that list.

I wouldn't say Michele Bachman should be on the list.

Chris Christie is not on the list. I'm not sure whether he's addressed the non-issue. Although, I've heard tell that conservative no longer like him (I'm not certain of the reason).

global warming

Interesting and unfortunate. Oh well.

He has some good ideas for alternative energy in New Jersey.

[thegreekdog]

And yet the current forntrunner in the polls, Mr Trump...

My opinion on this (even though really nobody in the polls is actually running yet....) Trump is leading in the polls because the American People are seeing and hearing leadership.

He would be the second worst person to run against President Obama in 2012 from the Republican side. He's running purely for show. He's given money to both parties on a regular basis. He has no idea how to run the government. He's a poor public speaker. And he's spent the last month following ridiculous issues and pandering to idiots.

[Phatscotty]

I note a lot of candidates for the Republican presidential nomination on that list.

I wouldn't say Michele Bachman should be on the list.

Chris Christie is not on the list. I'm not sure whether he's addressed the non-issue. Although, I've heard tell that conservative no longer like him (I'm not certain of the reason).

global warming

Interesting and unfortunate. Oh well.

He has some good ideas for alternative energy in New Jersey.

yeah a lot of conservatives have broke up with Christie, "there is someone else" Interview with Allen West from earlier today

[Phatscotty]

And yet the current forntrunner in the polls, Mr Trump...

My opinion on this (even though really nobody in the polls is actually running yet....) Trump is leading in the polls because the American People are seeing and hearing leadership.

He would be the second worst person to run against President Obama in 2012 from the Republican side. He's running purely for show. He's given money to both parties on a regular basis. He has no idea how to run the government. He's a poor public speaker. And he's spent the last month following ridiculous issues and pandering to idiots.

If the first worst person to run against Obama is Palin, we are walking in lock steps

[thegreekdog]

And yet the current forntrunner in the polls, Mr Trump...

My opinion on this (even though really nobody in the polls is actually running yet....) Trump is leading in the polls because the American People are seeing and hearing leadership.

He would be the second worst person to run against President Obama in 2012 from the Republican side. He's running purely for show. He's given money to both parties on a regular basis. He has no idea how to run the government. He's a poor public speaker. And he's spent the last month following ridiculous issues and pandering to idiots.

If the first worst person to run against Obama is Palin, we are walking in lock steps

She is the worst person, yes. I like what I saw of Allen West, although I need to figure out what he stands for.

[Phatscotty]

And yet the current forntrunner in the polls, Mr Trump...

My opinion on this (even though really nobody in the polls is actually running yet....) Trump is leading in the polls because the American People are seeing and hearing leadership.

He would be the second worst person to run against President Obama in 2012 from the Republican side. He's running purely for show. He's given money to both parties on a regular basis. He has no idea how to run the government. He's a poor public speaker. And he's spent the last month following ridiculous issues and pandering to idiots.

If the first worst person to run against Obama is Palin, we are walking in lock steps

She is the worst person, yes. I like what I saw of Allen West, although I need to figure out what he stands for.

he lays an awful lot out in that interview I shared here. its about 15 minutes. He is afraid of nothing.