Petition For Dugcarr1 Back. Sign Up and Stick It To the Man

[wicked]

I'm sure if everone who didn't want Dug to come back chips in a penny, we'd have "his" refund in no time, plus enough to buy a new server.

[hecter]

I'll put up a dollar!

[Molacole]

Add me to that list. I think it's complete bullshit that he got a 4 fucking month ban! At first I thought it was a joke, but soon after reading a couple more posts I realized it wasn't. To top it off he gets completely banned while creating multiple games to throw away his points (VENTING). Yeah I do agree that is an abuse issue, BUT give the guy a little breathing room for crying out loud. He just got banned from the community for 4 months. That means he can't set up any games with friends for 4 months unless he can find a way to contact them through external means. He can't even participate in tournaments. Seriously 4 fucking months? I would quit if that shit happened to me and seek revenge the easiest way I knew how and if there wasn't an easy way I would move on. That's just human nature...

There's definitely a big problem here. Dugcarr's whole greif was blitzaholic and how the scoring system can be manipulated. Blitz refused to play against him because the system allowed it to be so. Blitz was the highest ranked player on the site and dugcarr wasn't too far behind. He wanted a chance to COMPETE with blitz and was completely denied in every attempt. I mean seriously now does it honestly make any sense at all to have rank when you can't even compete against the high ranked players because they want to avoid you? That is a big issue and rank is what makes it an issue... So again, what it the point of rank if you can't challenge others for theirs. It's not universal and will never be balanced if things remain this way.

Then you have questions about how the scoring system is fucked up... well for starters the above is a perfect example of how somebody can avoid playing another player who can threaten their points.

It's no big secret that blitz is high strung on rank and focuses 95% of his games on gaining more and more rank. We all know this is true and it's not up for discussion (with me because I have emails of blitz bragging about his rank and proof of how he is so wrapped up in it.).

So now we have a player who wants to COMPETE with the highest ranked player on CC and yet he isn't allowed to because blitz is too concerned about his points and doesn't want to risk losing any points to him. Or the cover up reason with how he doesn't like the way dugcarr speaks. That and I'm sure it had a lot to do with risking his ego being bruised by dugcarr. We all know dug would've rubbed it in his face had he come out victorious.

So basically the way I see it is that dug probably read the rules and looked for any way to battle blitz. I see so many people saying oh that's just pathetic yadda yadda, but if you had the money (weren't a broke ass or still sucking your mommies teet) then 20 bucs wouldn't be one bit of an issue for you. I mean come on now 20 dollars to sabotage the highest ranked player on the server all because they refuse to play against you. It's honestly not a big surprise to me considering both of these players are at the top and one of them wants to challenge the other for his throne, but isn't allowed to. So again, then you have to ask, why do we even have ranks...

The 3 main problems I have with this is obviously the 4 month ban. Then the whole point of rank when it can be so easily manipulated. Then the fact that I could go and make a multi right now and play until I get caught and absolutely nothing will happen to me. That's right no actual penalty would be given that would affect me as long as I didn't continue to create multiple accounts.

So I could actually go and break rule #1(No multiple accounts. ) and I wouldn't get banned.

If I tried to bend rule #2 (No secret alliances. = "Any form of collusion between opponents must be announced beforehand in the game chat, in English or in a language all players understand." Collusion = "a secret agreement, esp. for fraudulent or treacherous purposes; conspiracy" This means an agreement so negotiations can be handled via PM's.) in such a way that dugcarr did then I would get a 4 month ban even though there was no collusion.

So basically it's either entrapment on captkillroys part or dug got banned because of negotiating a form of an alliance.

What other (realistic) options did he have to battle blitz? I don't get too caught up in this drama bullshit so the way I see it is we just lost on of the best players on the site all because blitzaholic used the system to avoid playing him. Frustration can get the best of anyone and I don't feel dug should've be treated so harshly for his actions.

All in all this is a game of war and we treat it like such. Dug is obvioulsy at war with blitz and it's too bad he wasn't given the chance to battle him.

[Molacole]

I agree that what Dug did was wrong, you guys seem to be missing the point....... Let me try you one more time.

Its the way it was handled. Multis get god knows how mant chances, yet Dugg gets the boot after one. Taking Dugg off the score system? WTF? Taking away his right to Rebuttle......... nice one guys, way to deny a man his basic freedom to defend himself. Cancelling games,....... WOW.....Do I even need to comment. Everyone needs to look past the person and look at the basic rights that are being denied. If the mods have a problem with us, then they get to shut us up, cancel our games (even after money has been paid for a service), and have idiot lemmings who dont read between the lines talk sh*t about someone who cant even respond. Sounds great guys. If this is the ideal image of what this site is, then please accept this as my resignation.

If you're point is that multis get too many chances, I'm with you on that one.

Dug didn't get the boot after one, he got a limited 4 month suspension of certain privileges. After he set up multiple fraudulent games and indicated he was going to continue doing so, he got banned.

The scoreboard is for active players, that's something Dug isn't anymore.

He will still be memorialized in Robinette's list of top scorers. Heck, even Dminus is there and he was a busted multi. So don't despair Dug will be there too.

His right to rebuttal. Please, every time the man opens his mouth he condemns himself. Go back and read all the game chat that has been posted by his friends. My advice: in the future if you're going to do something illegal don't broadcast that fact and then act surprised when you're caught.

Dug had ample opportunity to defend himself, instead he dug his hole deeper with every statement he made. If he'd had less opportunity to defend himself he might still be here. The last thing this guy needed was more opportunity to defend himself.

Canceling games. Good lord, do you want to look at which games were canceled. "Hi partner, I'm Dug and I'm going to help my friends on the other team get my points. Oh and by the way, I'm going to help them get your points too. Hope you don't mind." We certainly need more games like that. I, for one, am outraged, outraged! that Dug's doubles "partner" didn't end up losing any points because that game was canceled. What a shame! Bad, bad, bad mods. Dug's "partner" really deserved to lose his points. After all it was a fair game, it's not like there was any sort of collusion between Dug and his cronies on the other team. No. For absolutely no reason whatsoever these out-of-control mods just up and canceled the game. It's unbelievable the extent they will go to in order to thwart Dug in his attempt to scam the system. It's just shocking, I tell ya.

And don't even get started with the $20 refund. That's like getting sued by the burglar who breaks into your house for cutting himself when he broke your window gaining entry.

Talk about an idiot lemming. Talk about reading "between the lines." How about reading the lines. It's not even necessary to read "between the line" just read the lines themselves. Come on this isn't rocket science.

I've got no authority to accept you resignation, but I've got to tell you I really appreciate the gesture.

you've completly missed the point of everything that happened and why it happened. Go get a clue as to what you're talking about and stop argueing just to argue...

[carblue5757]

How much do you want to bet that all the people in this thread that support Dug are really him on his buddies computers....

...makes more sense than people choosing to support him

[Molacole]

How much do you want to bet that all the people in this thread that support Dug are really him on his buddies computers....

...makes more sense than people choosing to support him

you're missing the whole point of why this became an issue. Dug did what he did because the way things are set up it gives people the option to isolate themselves from the rest of the community and prey on the weak while they juggle their points around to each other. Dug was fed up with the way things are and acted on it. I am not saying he took the best approach at doing so, just that I don't blame him for doing what he did.

[detlef]

Well, I'm a civic-minded kinda guy, so what the hell, of course I'll sign the petition.

But somehow I feel I should be doing more...

What else can I do to promote cheating?

In other words, what else should I be doing to ensure the complete destruction of CC?

Granted, bringing back Dug would be a good first step, but surely there must be some other way I can help in this worthwhile cause.

I join in your outrage that the site mods have not stood idly by and watched everything they've worked for be perverted before their eyes.

I fear what CC will turn into without Dug as a role model.

Where will the innovative ideas that keep this an exciting site come from now?

Bribe a player to throw a game. Organize a series of fraudulent games to give points away to his friends.

These are ideas worthy of a genius. I worry that without Dug here, these innovations might never have seen the light of day...

... and we would all be the poorer for that.

Un-ban Dug immediately; a mind is a terrible thing to waste!!!!

I agree that what Dug did was wrong, you guys seem to be missing the point....... Let me try you one more time.

Its the way it was handled. Multis get god knows how mant chances, yet Dugg gets the boot after one. Taking Dugg off the score system? WTF? Taking away his right to Rebuttle......... nice one guys, way to deny a man his basic freedom to defend himself. Cancelling games,....... WOW.....Do I even need to comment. Everyone needs to look past the person and look at the basic rights that are being denied. If the mods have a problem with us, then they get to shut us up, cancel our games (even after money has been paid for a service), and have idiot lemmings who dont read between the lines talk sh*t about someone who cant even respond. Sounds great guys. If this is the ideal image of what this site is, then please accept this as my resignation.

In rememberance of Koolbak.

For godsakes, you'd think he's just been denied his right to make a living or something. Dude cheated and cheated badly. Then, when accused, he escalating things.

Need I remind you, that this is a freaking game. Most of us come here to entertain ourselves in a spirited game of "risk". Some, it appears, are so hell-bent on whatever glories there are in achieving a high rank in this make-believe world, that they devise a bunch of ways of cheating. Well, guess what, that doesn't make the game very fun. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that those in charge of CC intend to create a website where people come to have fun. That's why we pay them, if you don't like it, go join your pathetic friend.

[The1exile]

I'm sure if everone who didn't want Dug to come back chips in a penny, we'd have "his" refund in no time, plus enough to buy a new server.

I'll donate for the people who want him back, as well... I don't know how I'll live without a whole 5 pennies.

[tahitiwahini]

you've completly missed the point of everything that happened and why it happened. Go get a clue as to what you're talking about and stop argueing just to argue...

You make a bald sweeping statement without reasons or reasoning and then you criticize me for arguing. LOL

Hey you can give arguing a try too, that is, you can attempt to persuade by giving reasons.

You can't refute that what Dug did was wrong.

You offer justifications for Dug's behavior that are ludicrous.

Your reasoning is bizarre: Dug didn't like the scoring system so it justified everything he did. Dug wasn't forced to do anything. Dug disregarded the rules, pursued his appetites without restraint, and made some really bad choices. Dug got caught breaking the rules and showed no inclination to stop breaking the rules, indeed claimed to not even recognize that his behavior violated any rules, and for these reasons he was banned.

Dug wanted to play Blitz, but Blitz didn't want to play Dug. Well guess what happens in that situation: they don't play, it's really that simple.

I think it's the right of every player on this site to choose who he wants to play with and who he doesn't want to play with.

Apparently the creators of the site agree with that proposition otherwise it's hard to think what purpose the ignore-list option serves.

You seem to think that Dug had a right to play anyone he wanted to. That's simply not the way it works. He didn't have that right. I don't have that right. You don't have that right. No one on the site has that right. I think that's what's known as freedom of association. At this site we aren't forced to associate with anyone we don't want to, we aren't forced to play with anyone we don't want to.

I know you're not much on argumentation, but would you care to take a shot by explaining what Blitz has done to violate any rules? I'll make it even easier for you: would you care to explain what Blitz has done that is remotely unsportsmanlike. The very worst things I've ever heard anyone accuse Blitz of is being proud of his score ranking, seeking recognition for his accomplishment, and wanting people to like him. Exactly how does this harm anyone else on this site?

You have the freedom of speech to say anything you want to. You can say black is white. I have the right to laugh at your saying that. And since I have the same freedom of speech that you enjoy, I have the right to challenge your statement. I've just exercised my right.

[Wisse]

sign me in for dugcar1 and the thing happened to koolbak

[what,me worry?]

you got it.

[clapper011]

Want the MODS to ease their grip on our society

Oh how ironic it is. We've always tried to keep to a hands off approach and for the most part let the community manage itself. We've been bashed left and right for this policy by people who think we don't do enough to those who are, in your words, making the site intolerable, with bad language, spamming, religious opinions, trash talking in game chats, and just generally offensive behavior. Then, when someone crossed a line no one even imagined was even there and does something so outrageous the entire community is in an uproar, only then, when we finally say enough's enough and DO something for the sake of the community, do we hear what's above. We will never please everyone on this site. Some say we don't do enough, some say we do too much. C'est la vie.

u mods are doing a mighty fine job

[mandalorian2298]

u mods are doing a mighty fine job

True that. Especially when spammers beat mods and wickeds gets to do a fine job wearing (I pressume) a nude avatar

[wicked]

wicked's already done that, and can do it no longer with the guidelines now in place. sorry!

[Nikolai]

How much do you want to bet that all the people in this thread that support Dug are really him on his buddies computers....

...makes more sense than people choosing to support him

you're missing the whole point of why this became an issue. Dug did what he did because the way things are set up it gives people the option to isolate themselves from the rest of the community and prey on the weak while they juggle their points around to each other. Dug was fed up with the way things are and acted on it. I am not saying he took the best approach at doing so, just that I don't blame him for doing what he did.

No, Dug did what he did because he was a rager and didn't know where to draw the line - he was willing to do almost anything to get at the person who was beating him in something he apparently considered important. (Just try arguing that Dug didn't care about points... I'll drag up all of the times he posted whining that the scoring system was broken.)
Blitz was beating him, and because he's a sore loser, he tried to get back at Blitz in any way he could, not recognizing that there is a line for fair play. Dug attempted to manipulate the system - remember all that whining about how it wasn't really against the rules? - in an unsportsmanlike manner because he lacks self-control, not because he was trying to make some sort of statement.
Oh, and what,me worry?, I assure you that Dug does not deserve any money back. The lack of a disclaimer means that lack has no obligation to return the cash. Refunds are never offered on this site. If you stop playing half way through your year, you don't get $10 back for services not used.

[b.k. barunt]

Don't let the door slap you on the ass on your way out. Looks like you got a real dream team accompanying you. Whatever will we do now without our assholes?

[subjekt]

Don't let the door slap you on the ass on your way out.

Funny , alot of people have some decent arguments and all opinions are valid ( at least to the person voicing them ) then every once in a while ( or actually far to often here) you get some asshole which just has to see that they wrote something in a forum. Just this assholes opinion !!

-Sub-

[DirtyDishSoap]

I dont get why people are so pissed off at the mods, dont like it well shit go somewhere else

[luns101]

Lack took the appropriate action. I can't even see why a petition would be necessary, after all the mods have the "veto" power whether you like it or not.

If someone does not like the way that CC is being run, they have the right to take their $$ elsewhere to a competitor. Perhaps the reason that people are trying to "change" the mods decision instead of just going elsewhere is a testament to how good this site really is.

[Sammy gags]

I love RISK, but I do not like restrictions on gameplay

[tahitiwahini]

I love RISK, but I do not like restrictions on gameplay

Which one of CC's restrictions would you like to get rid of? The one about multiple accounts, or the one about secret alliances?

[dividedbyzero]

Dammit, I kill most threads I post in. Why won't this one die ?

Where's the Stache to hijack the thread when you need them ?!? Or as a last resort, Hector ?

dbz

[reverend_kyle]

so.. erm.. if they permaban dugcarr do you think wmw and hendy would leave already?

[Ehriggn]

dug didn't get booted just for the whole bribe thing, man. he got banned from the pms and the forum for that. he got booted for being retarded enough to try to get back at Lack and the rest of the mod squad, as well as the rest of Conquer Club, by entering a bunch of games in which he deadbeat on purpose in order to give away his points and screw up the whole system. Lack clearly stated this here:

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... &start=330

A service was paid for, (doesnt matter who paid it, his account is credited for $30) the service was not continued, which means the remaining money need to be returned. This isnt a cheap arcade that says no refund, at least I didnt read that in any disclaimer on this site, nor did I see anything similar when I paid for my account. The bottom line isnt just about Dug, its about the community giving full, unchecked, power to people we dont know, who can choose when they can cheat us of our money. Give the man his money back or let him play. plain and simple. He eraned those points fair and square, he should do whatever he pleases with them. While I dont believe its moral to dump points ( if that was he was even doing) its not illegal.

I totally agree. with both of you. I really respect the democratic way what,me worry? is approaching this situation.but I totally understand the how and why dug was banned. He agreed tothe terms and conditions of this site and then preceded to break rules that were put in place to protect the fairness and respectfulness of this commuity. I don't want him back here myself, but it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect that his money be refunded.

[ClessAlvein]

The biggest mistake is that y'all seem to think that a premium account is a paid-for service. It isn't. It's a paid-for privilege, and those can be revoked, with or without notice, as it says nicely in the rules, by the owner of this site.

The moment you Paypal that $20 to Conquer Club, it's gone. If you don't get what you want, you can complain about it, but it won't do you any good. Unlike Ebay or AOL, Conquer Club is not dealing in material goods, is not dealing in services in the legal sense of the word, is not a company, and, in fact, can be selling you hocus-pocus rings that claim to make you live forever and still won't get into any trouble. The most that will happen is that the site will be known for a scam and people will stop falling for it, enough so that the owner is forced to shut it down or lose money for keeping it up.

There should be no concern about "putting power in the hands of a few" because all the power is in lackattack's hands to begin with. Who owns the domain name? Who pays for the servers and all its upgrades? Who spends countless hours scripting the game and patrolling the forums?

The guy's making a living off of this, so he's interested in keeping it an enjoyable experience for everyone. It doesn't say anywhere that he has to be nice about it, or that he has to allow community input at all. He could be making more money by splaying a few ads and totally ignoring the community. He doesn't even have to have a forum! He has these features, however, because he seems to genuinely care about the well-being of the core community, and not only for the profit margin. And indirectly, he's also getting stuff back, in the form of regulars, new maps, and a volunteer staff - things he could not accomplish by being indifferent.