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Scary Enough To Quit?

Postby rdsrds2120 on Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:26 pm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43478041/ns/health-cancer/

RICHMOND, Virginia — Dead bodies, diseased lungs and a man on a ventilator were among the graphic images for revamped tobacco labels unveiled on Tuesday by U.S. health officials.

Proposed in November under a law that put the multibillion-dollar tobacco industry under the control of the Food and Drug Administration, the new labels must be on cigarette packages and in advertisements starting in October 2012.
Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius and FDA Commissioner Margaret Hamburg were to announce the nine new warnings at the White House, but the labels were released early Tuesday.
They show images that may disturb some, including one titled "WARNING: Cigarettes are addictive," illustrated with a photograph of a man smoking a cigarette through a hole in his throat. Among the images to appear on cigarette packs are rotting and diseased teeth and gums, the corpse of a smoker, diseased lungs, and a mother holding her baby with smoke swirling around them. They include phrases like "Smoking can kill you" and "Cigarettes cause cancer" and feature graphic images to convey the dangers of tobacco, which is responsible for about 443,000 deaths in the U.S. a year.
Other messages point out the dangers of secondhand smoke to children, tobacco's causal link to fatal lung disease, cancer, strokes, heart disease and death.
Sebelius said their goal is to stop children from starting to smoke and offer adults who want to quit some help.
"We have about 4,000 people under 18 who try their first cigarette and about 1,000 of them become permanent smokers. And that's not good for our country," she told the CBS "Early Show."
"This is really aimed at making sure kids don't start in the first place."
The 2009 Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act called for cigarette packages to include warning statements in large type covering half of the front and back of each package and graphic images showing adverse health effects from smoking.
The warnings are also to occupy the top 20 percent of every tobacco advertisement of companies such as Altria Group Inc's Philip Morris unit, Reynolds American Inc's R.J. Reynolds Tobacco unit and Lorillard Inc's Lorillard Tobacco Co.
The anti-smoking group Campaign for Tobacco Free-Kids said the images represent a dramatic change from current health warnings.
"The current warnings are more than 25 years old, go unnoticed on the side of cigarette packs and fail to effectively communicate the serious health risks of smoking," the group said.
R.J. Reynolds has challenged the legality of mandated larger and graphic warnings in a federal lawsuit.
Why aren't more quitting?
The new labels come as the share of Americans who smoke has fallen dramatically since 1970, from nearly 40 percent to about 20 percent. The rate has stalled since about 2004. About 46 million adults in the U.S. smoke cigarettes.
It's unclear why declines in smoking have stalled. Some experts have cited tobacco company discount coupons on cigarettes or lack of funding for programs to discourage smoking or to help smokers quit.
While it is impossible to say how many people quit because of the labels, various studies suggest the labels do spur people to quit. The new labels offer the opportunity for a pack-a-day smoker to see graphic warnings on the dangers of cigarettes more than 7,000 times per year.
The FDA estimates the new labels will reduce the number of smokers by 213,000 in 2013, with smaller additional reductions through 2031.
Tobacco use costs the U.S. economy nearly $200 billion annually in medical costs and lost productivity, the FDA said. Tobacco companies spend about $12.5 billion annually on cigarette advertising and promotion, according to the latest data from the Federal Trade Commission.
The World Health Organization said in a survey done in countries with graphic warning labels that a majority of smokers noticed the warnings and more than 25 percent said the warnings led them to consider quitting.
A 1964 surgeon general's report that linked smoking to lung cancer and other diseases spurred a broad anti-smoking campaign and health warnings on cigarette packages.


I thought this was interesting. I'm sure it'll have an impact, to. Some of the stuff on there is almost morbid as far as the general public is concerned.

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Re: Scary Enough To Quit?

Postby PLAYER57832 on Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:48 pm

I am waiting to see what will really happen. Truth is, as much as I dislike tobacco companies, I think these rules go way too far. People do have to accept some responsibility.

Also, how are they going to ensure that my (young) kids don't have to see these pictures? Are we going to see them in magazine ads and such now?
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Re: Scary Enough To Quit?

Postby Timminz on Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:50 pm

We've had similar things in Canada for years now (ten years, perhaps). Also, more recently, stores are no longer allowed to display any tobacco product at all. They are required to keep all tobacco behind opaque doors.
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Re: Scary Enough To Quit?

Postby PLAYER57832 on Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:57 pm

Timminz wrote:We've had similar things in Canada for years now (ten years, perhaps). Also, more recently, stores are no longer allowed to display any tobacco product at all. They are required to keep all tobacco behind opaque doors.

How does Canada keep kids from seeing the pictures? (of dead bodies, specifically?)
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Re: Scary Enough To Quit?

Postby Johnny Rockets on Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:17 pm

They are only displayed on the cig. packages.
Smokes are sold in 18 only separate rooms, where minors are not allowed access, or they are sold under the counter or behind a curtain. They cannot be visible to minors at anytime. Cigarette company advertising has been outlawed as well.


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Re: Scary Enough To Quit?

Postby Timminz on Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:18 pm

PLAYER57832 wrote:
Timminz wrote:We've had similar things in Canada for years now (ten years, perhaps). Also, more recently, stores are no longer allowed to display any tobacco product at all. They are required to keep all tobacco behind opaque doors.

How does Canada keep kids from seeing the pictures? (of dead bodies, specifically?)


The article in the OP makes me believe this new law is targeting children, to keep them from becoming smokers.
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Re: Scary Enough To Quit?

Postby gordon1975 on Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:47 pm

got same nasty images on packs in UK now,and will be out of view in all stores soon,im still smoking im sad to say,but when i was ten i could buy single cigarettes from the icecream van,so its a step in the right direction ,the shits killing me :sick:
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Re: Scary Enough To Quit?

Postby Army of GOD on Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:56 pm

I'm unsure. I feel like it's completely ridiculous and am afraid what kind of a precedent this is gonna set.

I mean, I don't want to start seeing fat people on my Dr. Pepper bottles (inb4 "slippery slope fallacy!!one!").
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Re: Scary Enough To Quit?

Postby saxitoxin on Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:28 pm

I'm cool with it and then some. For instance, we know coffee stunts your growth. I've been lobbying Starbucks to put Army of God's pic on the side of their double-talls for awhile now.
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Re: Scary Enough To Quit?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:29 pm

People tend to stop smoking as they become more aware of the consequences of smoking, so how much do regulations on cigarette advertisements really prevent smoking?
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Re: Scary Enough To Quit?

Postby rdsrds2120 on Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:44 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:People tend to stop smoking as they become more aware of the consequences of smoking, so how much do regulations on cigarette advertisements really prevent smoking?


They don't reduce it necessarily, but by not having the ads, the demand isn't heightened. Besides, ads are usually meant to leave little subconscious traces that end up influencing us without us knowing it, or at least the good ones do.

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Re: Scary Enough To Quit?

Postby Army of GOD on Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:07 pm

saxitoxin wrote:I'm cool with it and then some. For instance, we know coffee stunts your growth. I've been lobbying Starbucks to put Army of God's pic on the side of their double-talls for awhile now.


But I don't drink coffee =(
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Re: Scary Enough To Quit?

Postby rdsrds2120 on Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:29 pm

Army of GOD wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:I'm cool with it and then some. For instance, we know coffee stunts your growth. I've been lobbying Starbucks to put Army of God's pic on the side of their double-talls for awhile now.


But I don't drink coffee =(


And that one guy didn't lose his throat by smoking, he got shot and lived. Point -- you'll do.

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Re: Scary Enough To Quit?

Postby PLAYER57832 on Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:56 pm

Cutting smoking advertising had an impact. Education efforts on the bad effects of smoking went a lot further. However, at some point those things don't work because some people just want to do stupid things.

I see these pictures causing some people to stop for a time, but in the long run, folks will just become immune to them like they have become to the written warnings. Except, I don't think I like the idea of people being desentized to dead bodies. Some things plain should be shocking. Besides, I think some people may even look for these pictures.
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Re: Scary Enough To Quit?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:31 am

rdsrds2120 wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:People tend to stop smoking as they become more aware of the consequences of smoking, so how much do regulations on cigarette advertisements really prevent smoking?


They don't reduce it necessarily, but by not having the ads, the demand isn't heightened. Besides, ads are usually meant to leave little subconscious traces that end up influencing us without us knowing it, or at least the good ones do.

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If the government really cares, why don't they do the same for alcohol?
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Re: Scary Enough To Quit?

Postby greenoaks on Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:46 am

Timminz wrote:We've had similar things in Canada for years now (ten years, perhaps). Also, more recently, stores are no longer allowed to display any tobacco product at all. They are required to keep all tobacco behind opaque doors.

i it has been almost 30 years in australia but they have gotten really graphic the last 10 & the ads are shown on tv.

the was one where the doctor squezed the tar out of a lung. another where a real woman (not an actress) about 30 in a hospital bed talks about her children, it finishes by saying she died before they could finish and air the ad. there have been others showing
  • victims of throat cancer talking thru their machines,
  • the impact smoke has on the inside of our lungs,
  • doctors saying they won't operate on you for other reasons if you smoke because your survival rate makes it rather pointless for them to do so

right know we have two ads. one showing an actor getting lung cancer and the blood he coughs up. the other is a real family showing home video of a bloke in his late 50's with his son talking about how much his dad was looking forward to the birth of the 1st grandchild and how his dad put a hand on his wife's large stomach and apologised for not being able to make it the last few weeks to see the newborn.

on the front of the packaging we have these images. there are larger ones on the back. they are not shy to link the disease to smoking

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Re: Scary Enough To Quit?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:32 am

greenoaks wrote:
Timminz wrote:We've had similar things in Canada for years now (ten years, perhaps). Also, more recently, stores are no longer allowed to display any tobacco product at all. They are required to keep all tobacco behind opaque doors.

i it has been almost 30 years in australia but they have gotten really graphic the last 10 & the ads are shown on tv.

the was one where the doctor squezed the tar out of a lung. another where a real woman (not an actress) about 30 in a hospital bed talks about her children, it finishes by saying she died before they could finish and air the ad. there have been others showing
  • victims of throat cancer talking thru their machines,
  • the impact smoke has on the inside of our lungs,
  • doctors saying they won't operate on you for other reasons if you smoke because your survival rate makes it rather pointless for them to do so

right know we have two ads. one showing an actor getting lung cancer and the blood he coughs up. the other is a real family showing home video of a bloke in his late 50's with his son talking about how much his dad was looking forward to the birth of the 1st grandchild and how his dad put a hand on his wife's large stomach and apologised for not being able to make it the last few weeks to see the newborn.

on the front of the packaging we have these images. there are larger ones on the back. they are not shy to link the disease to smoking

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I'm still not ok with prohibiting cigarette providers from advertising. Seems unnecessary, and suspicious since alcohol advertising isn't prohibited, yet alcohol most likely causes more harm to society than cigarettes do.
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Re: Scary Enough To Quit?

Postby keiths31 on Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:37 am

I think the difference between alcohol and cigarettes are that alcohol can be "enjoyed responsibly", whereas cigarettes there is no such distinction. The graphic images and warning on cigarette packs in Canada started small, but have grown steadily over the years. I don't know the stats, but a kid having beer in high school statistically isn't going to become an alcoholic, but a high school kid trying smoking is quite likely to be become addicted to smoking. There are many studies showing that consumption of alcohol is not detrimental your health...but any amount of smoking is bad.
Now obviously from my screen name and avatar I am slightly biased on the alcohol side. But I also second handed smoked for twenty years and suffer health problems from that, so I am a bit biased on that issue as well.
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Re: Scary Enough To Quit?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:46 am

keiths31 wrote:I think the difference between alcohol and cigarettes are that alcohol can be "enjoyed responsibly", whereas cigarettes there is no such distinction. The graphic images and warning on cigarette packs in Canada started small, but have grown steadily over the years. I don't know the stats, but a kid having beer in high school statistically isn't going to become an alcoholic, but a high school kid trying smoking is quite likely to be become addicted to smoking. There are many studies showing that consumption of alcohol is not detrimental your health...but any amount of smoking is bad.
Now obviously from my screen name and avatar I am slightly biased on the alcohol side. But I also second handed smoked for twenty years and suffer health problems from that, so I am a bit biased on that issue as well.


So, the addiction rate matters more than the direct consequences of either? What kills more people? Alcohol or cigarettes? And which indirectly kills more people? I think the overall kill count is much higher for alcohol, so since it causes more harm, and since young people are so impressionable at that age, then alcohol advertisements should be banned (using the logic that justifies banning cigarette advertising).

Honestly, it's rubbish. The government has banned cigarette campaigns because of the peoples' big hoopla over the "recent" discovery that smoking causes cancer (to what degree and how many cigarettes is not certain and it depends for each person). Why not ban the advertising of alcohol? Currently, it's not politically advantageous to do so. There is no sensible reason for the argument that the ban on cigarettes is really for one's well-being because then it faces the double standard issue when applied to banning alcohol adverts.

Politically, it was savvy to advocate for banning cigarette commercials because a bunch of idiots got burned about cigarettes causing cancer, so they wanted retribution through the courts and through politics. What we have now is the indirect consequence of an issue that is now politically suicidal if it were to be corrected.

It's another story of unnecessary government intervention. It's another story about how certain organizations can use the state in order to impose on other people their ideal vision of society.
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Re: Scary Enough To Quit?

Postby mpjh on Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:53 am

PLAYER57832 wrote:I am waiting to see what will really happen. Truth is, as much as I dislike tobacco companies, I think these rules go way too far. People do have to accept some responsibility.

Also, how are they going to ensure that my (young) kids don't have to see these pictures? Are we going to see them in magazine ads and such now?


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US cigarette images

Postby Pope Joan on Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:54 am

American AntiSmoking Nazis (I stand by this word as it was Nazi who pioneered this policy) did not stop at outlawing smoking in most public buildings and now want the packs to carry some cool labels: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/06/22/MNGR1K0STT.DTL

Let us find out what is your favourite!!

See alsohttp://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=147614
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Re: K

Postby thegreekdog on Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:56 am

Pope Joan wrote:American AntiSmoking Nazis (I stand by this word as it was Nazi who pioneered this policy) did not stop at outlawing smoking in most public buildings and now want the packs to carry some cool labels: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/06/22/MNGR1K0STT.DTL

Let us find out what is your favourite!!


I merged your new thread with this already existing thread.
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Re: K

Postby Pope Joan on Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:00 am

thegreekdog wrote:
Pope Joan wrote:American AntiSmoking Nazis (I stand by this word as it was Nazi who pioneered this policy) did not stop at outlawing smoking in most public buildings and now want the packs to carry some cool labels: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/06/22/MNGR1K0STT.DTL

Let us find out what is your favourite!!


I merged your new thread with this already existing thread.


Why?? I wanted a poll!! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR :twisted:
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Re: K

Postby thegreekdog on Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:04 am

Pope Joan wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
Pope Joan wrote:American AntiSmoking Nazis (I stand by this word as it was Nazi who pioneered this policy) did not stop at outlawing smoking in most public buildings and now want the packs to carry some cool labels: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/06/22/MNGR1K0STT.DTL

Let us find out what is your favourite!!


I merged your new thread with this already existing thread.


Why?? I wanted a poll!! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR :twisted:


Oh, sorry... please create your poll.
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Re: K

Postby Pope Joan on Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:07 am

thegreekdog wrote:Oh, sorry... please create your poll.


No, prob... I just pressed it too early...

But the images in this post are not the correct ones, are they? I have seen in SanFrancisco Chronicle...
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