D.T.W.A.

[Phatscotty]

There are far more % of people on welfare who spend their "shelter and food money" on drugs than there are % of racists in the Tea Party.

[Citation Needed]

ME! I base this entire thread on someone I know and grew up with and are lifelong friends, and all his also friends get welfare and they all spend it on drugs. It's also been cited in this thread already that close to 10% of welfare recipients, in Florida anyways, are chemically dependent.

On the other hand, I know thousands of people in the Tea Party, and can honestly say I've never heard a single one of them mention anything about racist or any actions, not to mention there were people of all races at my Tea Party and everyone is welcome, and it's clear as day this is just a full-court smear (pathetic at that) against the TP. It's all about Debt and borrowing and spending too much...and that's it.

But hey, why would I make a statement based on my own experience?? I'm supposed to let somebody else tell me how to think and what is what, right??

Have you been to a Tea Party?

[Woodruff]

oh, that's what you mean. well i don't think night strike is part of the original tea party, but scotty might be.

Winning. IDK about stirke either, but before the Tea Party I used the think I was Libertarian and I have a lot in common with them but I settled for fiscally conservative Independent. I was the one talking all the shit about Republicans and Bush and how much he was borrowing and spending (he signed it).
When I learned the debt was going to double from 7 trillion to a projected 14 trillion in under 2 years, bailouts of the banks and "too big to fail" the Tea Party were the people trying to say and do something about it. It's a tragedy that the only thing some people know about the Tea Party are lies. A tragedy for the national debt.

Are you referring to the actual Tea Party ideals, or are you referring to the group of people who have been absorbed back into the Republican Party without having made any difference at all? The Tea Party's ideals ARE libertarian in nature. The Tea Party itself is now wholly Republican in nature.

[Woodruff]

We simply ask that in order to receive public assistance that you be sober when you apply.

No. Factually, you are NOT asking that. Stop lying. Otherwise, you would be asking that of corporations who are receiving public assistance.

And an analogy if I may. There are far more % of people on welfare who spend their "shelter and food money" on drugs than there are % of racists in the Tea Party.

That's not an analogy. It's also not a very intelligent thing to say.

However, you will never see me once saying that people on welfare are druggies, but the same people who are defending drug use for welfare recipients and will blow a gasket if I did say such a thing about people on welfare have no problem labeling the Tea Party as racist.

Once again, you can't stop yourself from lying. Why do you lie so much, Phatscotty? Are your positions so hypocritical that the only way you believe you can justify them to anyone else is by lying?

[Phatscotty]

Why do you assume I am lying, and why do you assume your assumption is correct?

Why is it that there is no way I know someone on welfare? Why is it there is no way that person does drugs?

[Woodruff]

There are far more % of people on welfare who spend their "shelter and food money" on drugs than there are % of racists in the Tea Party.

[Citation Needed]

ME! I base this entire thread on someone I know and grew up with and are lifelong friends, and all his also friends get welfare and they all spend it on drugs.

Citation still needed.

It's also been cited in this thread already that close to 10% of welfare recipients, in Florida anyways, are chemically dependent.

Was that citation also made up from whole cloth?

On the other hand, I know thousands of people in the Tea Party, and can honestly say I've never heard a single one of them mention anything about racist or any actions, not to mention there were people of all races at my Tea Party and everyone is welcome, and it's clear as day this is just a full-court smear (pathetic at that) against the TP.

Of course not...and you have black friends, too.

It's all about Debt and borrowing and spending too much...and that's it.

Well that certainly isn't true. It's much more about religion and imposing restrictions on others than it is about debt, borrowing or spending too much.

[Phatscotty]

You know everything about me.

An old saying comes to mind.

The trouble with our friends is not that they are so ignorant, but that they know so much that just isn’t so.

[Woodruff]

Why do you assume I am lying, and why do you assume your assumption is correct?

I don't at all assume that you're lying. I KNOW FACTUALLY that you are lying. And the evidence that even YOU know you're lying is the fact that you didn't bother to quote what I was responding to...because you know it's a lie. That's how sad and how sick your mind is. So here, let me help you out with this:

However, you will never see me once saying that people on welfare are druggies, but the same people who are defending drug use for welfare recipients and will blow a gasket if I did say such a thing about people on welfare have no problem labeling the Tea Party as racist.

Once again, you can't stop yourself from lying. Why do you lie so much, Phatscotty? Are your positions so hypocritical that the only way you believe you can justify them to anyone else is by lying?

That is what you were responding to. That statement above my quote is a direct and ridiculous lie.

Why is it that there is no way I know someone on welfare? Why is it there is no way that person does drugs?

Why is it that you try so hard to build strawmen and repeat lies instead of discussing the issue like an adult?

[Woodruff]

You know everything about me.
An old saying comes to mind.

The trouble with our friends is not that they are so ignorant, but that they know so much that just isn’t so.

Do you somehow believe this counters anything I've said? Because it really doesn't, at all.

[Phatscotty]

keep talking about what color my friends are and what color they aren't. It's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard you try to assume.

and you are flat out wrong about all of it. I guess I will have to be satisfied with knowing that. Keep flaming. I'm gonna have to ignore it.

[Woodruff]

keep talking about what color my friends are and what color they aren't. It's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard you try to assume. and you are flat out wrong about all of it. I guess I will have to be satisfied with knowing that.

Are you really so dense that you completely miss that I am not at all talking about what color your friends are?

But keep dancing, Dodge King. Keep dancing.

[Phatscotty]

Hey, a real life experience is what the thread is based on.

Take it or leave it

[Woodruff]

Hey, a real life experience is what the thread is based on.
Take it or leave it

As often as you lie about...well, pretty much everything we can actually verify...why would we believe anything you say about "a real life experience"? You have zero credibility, Phatscotty.

[Phatscotty]

Hey, a real life experience is what the thread is based on.
Take it or leave it

As often as you lie about...well, pretty much everything we can actually verify...why would we believe anything you say about "a real life experience"? You have zero credibility, Phatscotty.

yes, and you are qualified to say that after you go on calling me all kinds of names and insults and saying what kind of friends I have and dont have and that they are gay and black etc..and I'm just talking about an issue.

You aren't fooling anyone. Your strategy of "smear at all costs as slimy as possible" is simply a compliment to my effectiveness.

Thank you

Now if you could break your streak of 11 posts in a row all calling me names and insults we can get back on topic

[Iliad]

There are far more % of people on welfare who spend their "shelter and food money" on drugs than there are % of racists in the Tea Party.

[Citation Needed]

ME! I base this entire thread on someone I know and grew up with and are lifelong friends, and all his also friends get welfare and they all spend it on drugs. It's also been cited in this thread already that close to 10% of welfare recipients, in Florida anyways, are chemically dependent.

On the other hand, I know thousands of people in the Tea Party, and can honestly say I've never heard a single one of them mention anything about racist or any actions, not to mention there were people of all races at my Tea Party and everyone is welcome, and it's clear as day this is just a full-court smear (pathetic at that) against the TP. It's all about Debt and borrowing and spending too much...and that's it.

But hey, why would I make a statement based on my own experience?? I'm supposed to let somebody else tell me how to think and what is what, right??

Have you been to a Tea Party?

That's anecdotal evidence and irrelevant. I can just as easily claim that I have never met anyone on welfare also on drugs, and that I have met exclusively racist Tea Partiers. That post is just one long, only slightly more adult way of saying NUH-UH!

If you want to actually claim something, you have to provide evidence for it. Or not, screw that! You know that you are always right and therefore others must be wrong. As Stephen Colbert put it, reality has a well-known liberal slant and you don't care for the so called facts, sources, objective thinking and being able to understand the reliability of other sources. Knowing that you are right is much, much easier.

[Phatscotty]

The possibility the evidence could be anecdotal does not automatically bar me from from sharing personal experiences that is 100% true, and it never will.Take it or leave it.

Welfare is abused by drug addicts and that is a fact, there is no need for me to come up with some kind of proof that I know 1 person out of millions who abuse welfare. Whether I know 1 person or not also does not change the fact that welfare is abused by millions of people. It's just an example, and it's just the truth.

The only thing that is irrelevant is that my experience I am trying to share has no effect on the overall reality of welfare abuse.

[Woodruff]

Hey, a real life experience is what the thread is based on.
Take it or leave it

As often as you lie about...well, pretty much everything we can actually verify...why would we believe anything you say about "a real life experience"? You have zero credibility, Phatscotty.

yes, and you are qualified to say that after you go on calling me all kinds of names and insults and saying what kind of friends I have and dont have and that they are gay and black etc..and I'm just talking about an issue.

Are you really so dense that you completely miss that I am not at all talking about what color your friends are?
But keep dancing, Dodge King. Keep dancing.

You aren't fooling anyone. Your strategy of "smear at all costs as slimy as possible" is simply a compliment to my effectiveness.

It's not at all a "smear at all costs as slimy as possible" strategy. It's a strategy of pointing out the obvious. If the obvious happens to be that you appear to be pretty slimy in some regards, then that's what is going to be pointed out. Perhaps if you'd stop lying and begin to discuss the various issues with some rationality and honesty, you might find that you would have more than zero credibility.

Now if you could break your streak of 11 posts in a row all calling me names and insults we can get back on topic

Is the topic your lies about the testing program in Florida itself, is the topic about your lies about welfare recipients or is the topic your lies about those who believe it's ineffective and inefficient to drug test welfare recipients? It's difficult to tell, since most of the thread has been comprised of those three things.

[BigBallinStalin]

This thread needs more cliche sayings from Phatscotty in response to other people's posts.

[Phatscotty]

This thread needs more cliche sayings from Phatscotty in response to other people's posts.

or less derailing efforts.

[BigBallinStalin]

This thread needs more cliche sayings from Phatscotty in response to other people's posts.

or less derailing efforts.

Compared to the quality of your posts as seen with your lack of genuine interest in honestly debating the issue, I don't see how derailing efforts really undermine your ongoing "debate" with others.

So, give us a cliche, Phatscotty! The people need you to answer their questions without answering their questions or taking their points into consideration. Let it rip, Dodge King! Give us at least a political picture or maybe an eagle or something!!

[PLAYER57832]

It's also been cited in this thread already that close to 10% of welfare recipients, in Florida anyways, are chemically dependent.

WRONG. The figure is closer to 6% at most

On the other hand, I know thousands of people in the Tea Party, and can honestly say I've never heard a single one of them mention anything about racist or any actions, not to mention there were people of all races at my Tea Party and everyone is welcome, and it's clear as day this is just a full-court smear (pathetic at that) against the TP. It's all about Debt and borrowing and spending too much...and that's it.

Wasn't going to get into this, but the majority of people in my area who are tea partiers are avowed racists... many I strongly suspect are KKK members. Does that mean the Tea Party itself is racist? NO, more like what I have said before that there is no real Tea Party. Anyone who wants to use that title can and does, as long as they also say something about cutting taxes (doesn't have to be anything real, just talk is fine) they will even have "credibility".

BUT... what on earth does that have to do with folks on drugs who get welfare????

If you want to find people on welfare who are in trouble, look for the alchohol connection, not illegal drugs.

OH.. one more thing. The majority of people I know who were on welfare and drugs were ex Vietnahm vets. I do know this problem has NOT been solved. Now the problem is less getting addicted to morphine (for pain) and opiats (legal in much of southeast asia, so solidiers would use it and come home wanting more). Now the problem is more undiagnosed traumas that cause all sorts of other problems. Drug abuse is sometimes a side effect. ("self-medication")

But hey, why would I make a statement based on my own experience?? I'm supposed to let somebody else tell me how to think and what is what, right??

You are supposed to understand that your personal experience may or may not be similar to a place a couple thousand miles away. You are supposed to know the difference between anecdotal evidence and data. (and don't go on about how I have given personal experiences. I have. I don't mistake it for verified data. Also, when I use anecdotal evidence, its because there is no better data out there right now).


BUT.. and here is the other point, even if your figure of 10% were correct (it truly is not), it still would not mean this program would either save taxpayers money, help those on welfare or any of your other claims.

Begin with your claim that the test is only $14. A marihuana ONLY test can be obtained for $15, so perhaps there is a source for $14. HOWEVER, anything that tests for any other drugs costs a good deal more $50-60. And that is just for the test. It does not take into account the administrative costs, the cost of finding and apprehending those who don't come in for their tests, etc.

[GreecePwns]

A friend of mine is an alien being held at Area 51 and was turned in by the secretive alliance of Freemasons, Jews and Communists that Hitler warned us about in the late 30s.

Not only that, but my alien friend is now representative of the entire population of aliens. Because he is in Area 51, it is safe to say that the entire population of aliens are at Area 51.

See how fun anecdotes are on the Internet?

[natty dread]

Scotty has really put his foot in his mouth in this thread.

[thegreekdog]

Scotty has really put his foot in his mouth in this thread.

Unfortunately, many people have a problem with consistency (or hypocrisy).

[Baron Von PWN]

This thread needs more cliche sayings from Phatscotty in response to other people's posts.

or less derailing efforts.

Compared to the quality of your posts as seen with your lack of genuine interest in honestly debating the issue, I don't see how derailing efforts really undermine your ongoing "debate" with others.

So, give us a cliche, Phatscotty! The people need you to answer their questions without answering their questions or taking their points into consideration. Let it rip, Dodge King! Give us at least a political picture or maybe an eagle or something!!

I've taken the liberty of fixing scoty''s post. I think I've captured the spirit of what he was saying.

[Phatscotty]

We should encourage people to be sober, especially when it comes to getting public assistance.