D.T.W.A.

[radiojake]

There is a difference between earning a wage with your work and labor, and getting an unearned check from taxpayers.

They are different, yes, but both are dependant on other entities (either government or private company) - You are not independant if you are dependant on a cheque every friday from your employer

[PLAYER57832]

This is just sad now.

Phatscotty, why don't you just quit while you have any shreds of dignity left.

I am not dependent on public dollars. I work hard and pay my own bills and pay a shit load of taxes.

Why is that sad?

You drive public roads, benefit from public education (whether you were publically schooled or not), benefit from police and fire services, no doubt utilize weather information. You are healthy, thanks in LARGE part to vaccinations and other health benefits from the US government.

You enjoy relatively clean air and water because of those nasty anti-pollution regulation, all of which require significant enforcement, and research to monitor and evaluate. You benefit from not having planes drop down as they crash from lack of controls.

You don't see thousands of starving people around, creating increased theft and disease problems.

ETC.
and no, that is nowhere near a complete list.

So GET REAL.

[PLAYER57832]

There is a difference between earning a wage with your work and labor, and getting an unearned check from taxpayers.

Yeah, exactly why so many people think its OK to tax stock dividends and hefty corporate bonuses at a higher rate than for salaries of people who actually WORK for a living.

[Phatscotty]

There is a difference between earning a wage with your work and labor, and getting an unearned check from taxpayers.

Yeah, exactly why so many people think its OK to tax stock dividends and hefty corporate bonuses at a higher rate than for salaries of people who actually WORK for a living.

stock dividends are taxed, about 15%, and corporate bonuses are taxed. It is true greed to demand more of other peoples money.

The idea that people put money to work for them is working with the mind. Some people work with their hands and their minds. Some people only do labor, but they have the opportunity to learn new skills, even for free, and find a better way to earn a living, not to mention benefit society more than they were previously. Such investments spur and encourage research and development, not to mention create jobs in the workplace with scientists, human resources people, new million dollar orders for plastic bottles to put the new product in, which translates to overtime for workers at the factory who want it, government to regulate new industries and technologies, and academia when a publicly owned company directly creates new classes that need to be offered in new disciplines and operating systems. This is what true organic stimulus looks like.

[Night Strike]

This is just sad now.

Phatscotty, why don't you just quit while you have any shreds of dignity left.

I am not dependent on public dollars. I work hard and pay my own bills and pay a shit load of taxes.

Why is that sad?

You drive public roads, benefit from public education (whether you were publically schooled or not), benefit from police and fire services, no doubt utilize weather information. You are healthy, thanks in LARGE part to vaccinations and other health benefits from the US government.

You enjoy relatively clean air and water because of those nasty anti-pollution regulation, all of which require significant enforcement, and research to monitor and evaluate. You benefit from not having planes drop down as they crash from lack of controls.

You don't see thousands of starving people around, creating increased theft and disease problems.

ETC.
and no, that is nowhere near a complete list.

So GET REAL.

And yet the people who are actually working pay money to get those. People on welfare get those things AND get free money from the government, without doing a thing. THAT'S the problem here, not trying to twist definitions saying everyone is dependent.

[Phatscotty]

This is just sad now.

Phatscotty, why don't you just quit while you have any shreds of dignity left.

I am not dependent on public dollars. I work hard and pay my own bills and pay a shit load of taxes.

Why is that sad?

You drive public roads, benefit from public education (whether you were publically schooled or not), benefit from police and fire services, no doubt utilize weather information. You are healthy, thanks in LARGE part to vaccinations and other health benefits from the US government.

You enjoy relatively clean air and water because of those nasty anti-pollution regulation, all of which require significant enforcement, and research to monitor and evaluate. You benefit from not having planes drop down as they crash from lack of controls.

You don't see thousands of starving people around, creating increased theft and disease problems.

ETC.
and no, that is nowhere near a complete list.

So GET REAL.

What part of "I pay a shit load of taxes" did you miss?

and even if you were close, it's not like I am calling the police on the 1st and 15th of every month to help me out, or scamming free lunches at the local school everyday, and as for roads well they are constantly under construction and currently frozen with the shut down and usually just cost me over an hour a day

oh yes, I am benefiting sooooo much.

[PLAYER57832]

What part of "I pay a shit load of taxes" did you miss?

The part where you accept that a LOT of people contributed to your "self-earned" income and status.

[Phatscotty]

What part of "I pay a shit load of taxes" did you miss?

The part where you accept that a LOT of people contributed to your "self-earned" income and status.

I have payed a million times more in taxes than I could ever hope to use the rest of my life. Redistribution is a F'n scam.

I reject that on it's face

[PLAYER57832]

There is a difference between earning a wage with your work and labor, and getting an unearned check from taxpayers.

Yeah, exactly why so many people think its OK to tax stock dividends and hefty corporate bonuses at a higher rate than for salaries of people who actually WORK for a living.

stock dividends are taxed, about 15%, and corporate bonuses are taxed. It is true greed to demand more of other peoples money.

True, but you have no problem with that as long as its not wealthy corporations.

The idea that people put money to work for them is working with the mind. Some people work with their hands and their minds.

Bull.

The FACT is that corporations, most people who have large amounts of money have gotten that money, in part by NOT paying for the damages they cause others, by skimping on wages and benefits whenever they could. It doesn't take brains to know that if you shut a plant down and move it to a place where they pay only 1/10 the wages and have almost no rules regarding pollution control, etc, you will increase profits. It takes BRAINS to make a profit AND keep people employed AND clean up your own mess.

Sadly, recent rules have more and more reduced responsibilty for the wealthy while blaming those at the bottom for the ills. If you ever study history, you will note that this is a common pattern for every society that booms and then busts.. just like ours is in the process of doing.

[PLAYER57832]

What part of "I pay a shit load of taxes" did you miss?

The part where you accept that a LOT of people contributed to your "self-earned" income and status.

I have payed a million times more in taxes than I could ever hope to use the rest of my life. Redistribution is a F'n scam.

I reject that on it's face

You reject truth because you refuse to accept what other people contribute to your life.. yet, you seem to think you can call other people greedy and self-serving.

I can GAURANTEE, just based on the information you have provided that I and my husband contribute far more, continue to contribute more than you ever will unless and until you stop being an arrogant greedy jerk that you make apparent you are now.

[Phatscotty]

I am free. I owe nobody anything, and nobody owes me anything.

You cannot force me into servitude.

[PLAYER57832]

I am free. I owe nobody anything, and nobody owes me anything.

You cannot force me into servitude.

You have not come CLOSE to contributing what my husband and I have contributed, but you claim the right to judge me... and others?

You are a class A idiot, then along with being an egotistical, unaware, self-serving jerk.

[Night Strike]

It's sad that on this long weekend where we celebrate our freedoms, so many people have chosen to rely on the government for all of their needs. And what's even worse is that some people even now believe it's the government's job to take from some to redistribute to others. We have fallen so far from the principles that founded this great nation. Yet some want us to fall even further. We are quickly losing our status as the premier country for freedom and replacing it with being the people who are the most reliant on government.

[Phatscotty]

I am free. I owe nobody anything, and nobody owes me anything.

You cannot force me into servitude.

You are a class A idiot, then along with being an egotistical, unaware, self-serving jerk.

guilt trips and name calling do not work on me. Know you nothing?

To force me to "admit" that I am only who I am because of gov't programs is also to get me to "admit" I owe society everything...Land of the Free Player, and not land of the slave.

And let me tell you about greed. Doing what you see fit with your own money is not greed. Demanding more of others peoples money is.

[PLAYER57832]

It's sad that on this long weekend where we celebrate our freedoms, so many people have chosen to rely on the government for all of their needs.

Even wrose, people like you and Phattscotty seem to think you live independently, despite all the time, energy and money MILLIONS of others.. folks like my husband who puts his life on the line regularly to defend the lives and property of others. Folks like me who spent years protecting, cleaning up damage and training people how to protect themselves and loved ones in disasters.

Folks like my grandmother who spent most of WWII over in North African and southern Italy.

Folks like my grandfather, who had to leave college, to take a job pushing numbers for the state of California, so he could support his family. A man who was brilliant in his field, but who could not work in that field due to circumstances

Folks like the thousands who lost their lives in the labor fights of the 20's, 30's and 40's. Folks who went out and protested in the 60's and 70's.. yes, some were plain idiots, but there is also a large contingent that are why we now have everything from school food programs and food stamps to safer foods, safer working conditions, etc.

Folks like those who toil to bring you the food you eat for what is FAR less than a minimum wage..a nd I mean here in the Us and US citizens. (see, farmers are excepted from most minimum wage laws.. something I doubt you even knew).

And what's even worse is that some people even now believe it's the government's job to take from some to redistribute to others. We have fallen so far from the principles that founded this great nation. Yet some want us to fall even further. We are quickly losing our status as the premier country for freedom and replacing it with being the people who are the most reliant on government.

The saddest part is that you are just ignorant enough of history, egotistical enough and plain stupid enough to believe this applies to people like myself and my husband and our forefathers instead of the likes of you a Phattscotty.

"happy fourth indeed" and thank heavans our ancestors were not as idiotic as you two!

[Night Strike]

I am free. I owe nobody anything, and nobody owes me anything.

You cannot force me into servitude.

You are a class A idiot, then along with being an egotistical, unaware, self-serving jerk.

guilt trips and name calling do not work on me. Know you nothing?

To force me to "admit" that I am only who I am because of gov't programs is also to get me to "admit" I owe society everything...Land of the Free Player, and not land of the slave.

But player wants us to be slaves to the government because it's not fair to those like her who haven't had everything handed to them on a silver platter. Remember, we have to work in order to pay for HER needs, not for our own needs.

[Phatscotty]

You try to hold people down, and that doesn't surprise me that you would rain on a 4th of July Parade either.

Oh, say can you see by the dawn's early light
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming
Whose broad stripes and bright stars thru the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming
And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave

[Night Strike]

It's sad that on this long weekend where we celebrate our freedoms, so many people have chosen to rely on the government for all of their needs.

Even wrose, people like you and Phattscotty seem to think you live independently, despite all the time, energy and money MILLIONS of others.. folks like my husband who puts his life on the line regularly to defend the lives and property of others. Folks like me who spent years protecting, cleaning up damage and training people how to protect themselves and loved ones in disasters.

Folks like my grandmother who spent most of WWII over in North African and southern Italy.

Folks like my grandfather, who had to leave college, to take a job pushing numbers for the state of California, so he could support his family. A man who was brilliant in his field, but who could not work in that field due to circumstances

Folks like the thousands who lost their lives in the labor fights of the 20's, 30's and 40's. Folks who went out and protested in the 60's and 70's.. yes, some were plain idiots, but there is also a large contingent that are why we now have everything from school food programs and food stamps to safer foods, safer working conditions, etc.

Folks like those who toil to bring you the food you eat for what is FAR less than a minimum wage..a nd I mean here in the Us and US citizens. (see, farmers are excepted from most minimum wage laws.. something I doubt you even knew).

Actually, of course I know that fact about farmers because half of my wife's family farms.

You keep listing accomplishments of different groups of people, but you fail to recognize one thing: those people don't demand the government steal money from others to hand it to them. Especially for your example of your grandfather actually taking care of his own family. The policies you want is for every other family to turn their money over to the government in order to take care of your grandfather's family. You no longer want people to take care of themselves like that. In your mind, if they can't make it on what they have now, the government has to give it to them. They aren't expected to improve their lives through education or a change in jobs.

And what's even worse is that some people even now believe it's the government's job to take from some to redistribute to others. We have fallen so far from the principles that founded this great nation. Yet some want us to fall even further. We are quickly losing our status as the premier country for freedom and replacing it with being the people who are the most reliant on government.

The saddest part is that you are just ignorant enough of history, egotistical enough and plain stupid enough to believe this applies to people like myself and my husband and our forefathers instead of the likes of you a Phattscotty.

"happy fourth indeed" and thank heavans our ancestors were not as idiotic as you two!

Just shows you have no clue what actually happened in the time around 1776. Have you ever even read the Declaration of Independence? They were throwing off an oppressive and tyrannical government in favor of self governance and a dependence on the Creator God. The ones who are ignorant of that are the ones who are today trying to turn our country into a massive program of redistribution. And I'm not the ignorant one, that's for sure.

[Phatscotty]

Somehow I feel Patrick Swayze has something to say about this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2WeIDfXh4s

http://movieclips.com/69xz-red-dawn-mov ... -radiator/

http://movieclips.com/KbCD-red-dawn-mov ... a-warfare/

[Night Strike]

Anywho, I'm gone for the rest of day to celebrate our God-given freedoms. Hopefully, despite the constant barrage from progressives, we'll still have many more years to celebrate them.

[Timminz]

God doesn't give you your freedoms.

[natty dread]

Phatscotty and Night Strike, you guys should get married.

[PLAYER57832]

It's sad that on this long weekend where we celebrate our freedoms, so many people have chosen to rely on the government for all of their needs.

Even wrose, people like you and Phattscotty seem to think you live independently, despite all the time, energy and money MILLIONS of others.. folks like my husband who puts his life on the line regularly to defend the lives and property of others. Folks like me who spent years protecting, cleaning up damage and training people how to protect themselves and loved ones in disasters.

Folks like my grandmother who spent most of WWII over in North African and southern Italy.

Folks like my grandfather, who had to leave college, to take a job pushing numbers for the state of California, so he could support his family. A man who was brilliant in his field, but who could not work in that field due to circumstances

Folks like the thousands who lost their lives in the labor fights of the 20's, 30's and 40's. Folks who went out and protested in the 60's and 70's.. yes, some were plain idiots, but there is also a large contingent that are why we now have everything from school food programs and food stamps to safer foods, safer working conditions, etc.

Folks like those who toil to bring you the food you eat for what is FAR less than a minimum wage..a nd I mean here in the Us and US citizens. (see, farmers are excepted from most minimum wage laws.. something I doubt you even knew).

Actually, of course I know that fact about farmers because half of my wife's family farms.

You keep listing accomplishments of different groups of people, but you fail to recognize one thing: those people don't demand the government steal money from others to hand it to them

Not even close to reality.
It DID take the government to ensure a safe worker standards, a limited work week, weekends, vacation and sick pay, safe food, limits on child labor, universal availability of schooling (of varying quality, but always available).

Etc, etc etc.

YET.. the companies drlling Marsallas shale, the company running the local coal mine, the company running the local landfill... none of them are held truly responsible for the actual damages they cause to local wells, never mind the potential damages they could cause. IF they do cause damage, it is completely up to those who are harmed to hire attorneys and prove fault.. individuals fighting against multi-milliondollar corporations run by people who see mostly just numbers and not the people they are hurting, who more often than not, don't even have the scientific knowledge to know how much damage they are causing.

Especially for your example of your grandfather actually taking care of his own family.

Nope, he was one of those people you call "greedy government workers".. he was one of those you think ought not to have gotten a decent paycheck.

The policies you want is for every other family to turn their money over to the government in order to take care of your grandfather's family. You no longer want people to take care of themselves like that. In your mind, if they can't make it on what they have now, the government has to give it to them. They aren't expected to improve their lives through education or a change in jobs.

What a LOAD of bull!
Its not I telling people they cannot have education, its the folks like you who seem to think its perfectly OK to cut spending on education, who is forcing cuts that mean utterly gutting job training programs and who, MOST particularly could care less if anyone other than you has healthcare or not.. no matter how much they have paid into the system.

Its not me STEALING, its the mentality that says corporations are the "ultimate good" and have no responsibility for the results of paying people poorly, not providing real health insurance coverage, not providing even safe and reasonable conditions, not worrying about the damage their products or the process of creating those products cause today OR in the future.

YOU, by insisting that the government is this huge, grasping entity that needs to be limited, regardless of why and how, are allowing ALL of those costs to be passed on to the children and grandchildren of not just our nation, but the world.

But hey.. we'll probably be just another state of China by then, you will be long dead, so why should any of that bother you.

You have your wonderful home-school creationist science education that teaches you none of what I says is real or matters and of course, why should you even bother to question why so many decided that what was taught in the 1800's might not be entirely accurate.

And what's even worse is that some people even now believe it's the government's job to take from some to redistribute to others. We have fallen so far from the principles that founded this great nation. Yet some want us to fall even further. We are quickly losing our status as the premier country for freedom and replacing it with being the people who are the most reliant on government.

The saddest part is that you are just ignorant enough of history, egotistical enough and plain stupid enough to believe this applies to people like myself and my husband and our forefathers instead of the likes of you a Phattscotty.

"happy fourth indeed" and thank heavans our ancestors were not as idiotic as you two!

Just shows you have no clue what actually happened in the time around 1776. Have you ever even read the Declaration of Independence? They were throwing off an oppressive and tyrannical government in favor of self governance and a dependence on the Creator God. The ones who are ignorant of that are the ones who are today trying to turn our country into a massive program of redistribution. And I'm not the ignorant one, that's for sure.[/quote]
LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL

Nice fiction. When you care to study reality... we can talk again.
Except.. if you have your way, NO ONE will ever be able to study reality, because all the truths will be buried under the fictional ideology you have created.

[Phatscotty]

true grit is in order

p.s. if I have my way, taxpayers will no longer subsidize drug addictions.

[Timminz]

true grit is in order

p.s. if I have my way, taxpayers will no longer subsidize drug addictions.

False.