john9blue wrote:GreecePwns wrote:john9blue wrote:omg you did some research! lol. i'm kind of impressed actually. i think i could cobble together some of my quotes and make myself look like a huge douchebag, so thanks for not doing that lol.
You act as if you're above the whole "chose one side and bash the other stuff" when that's pretty much all you've manage to do. That is my response. And if you think my political posts are without any evidence or research you quite simply don't read any of them. I think BBS or someone can vouch for me here. Or, you know, you doing some reasearch. lol.
i think i know why you don't understand my posts now. i'm not defending scotty in this thread because i think his political views are right. i have no opinion on this subject of giving welfare applicants drug tests. i'm defending scotty because he uses personal attacks and cop-outs far less than his opponents.
With all respect, if you truly believe that, then I don't think you have read most of what Phattscotty says.. or you agree with him so often that you don't see where he is being obstinate, because it concurs with your ideas.
You are respectful. I was happy, for example to see you in the Real U. forum here.
We all have blind areas, but by and large I find Woodruff and greekdog to very much at least consider other opinions. Phattscotty and NIghtstrike too often do not, when it comes to areas that one can classify as "socially conservative".. and pro-business economics. That is, its not just that they disagree, its like above when Phattscotty throws out data and information that it seems he might not have even read himself. For example, he insisted for a long time that the cost of the drug tests used in Florida were only $14.. though the articles themselves gave a figure of $55. He found a mention somewhere of a cheap test and just went with it, not even caring that that short test was only for marihuana, was not the one mentioned in the article, etc. etc.
Then he says he presented a list of all kinds of free drug rehab clinics. Maybe he truly did find a link showing a free drug rehab clinic in every county in Florida, for example.. but I could not track the link and when I tried to verify, I found something that superficially.. if you did not read it through, might seem to have said that, but really did not. Most of the rehab centers listed were not for drugs. Of those that handled drugs, only a few handled the harder drugs.. things like Methamphetamine, etc.
AND... let's not even get into his assertion of cost savings that relied very heavily upon misinformation.. not just the cost of the test, but the numbers of people on welfare using drugs, the reasons they are on drugs (a lot of people on drugs are "self-medicating" for things like depression.. partially because health care access is poor). Others, particularly those using Marihuana are just using it casually, much as many people drink an occasional beer. Is that the best thing to do on a limited income? No, but is it such a crime that they deserve to go hungry or live on the street for a year? AND, is this testing of every single applicant is not
effective. (note, I said "applicant" not reciever-- another fact Phattscotty has ignored, except to say that anything limiting access to welfare is good). When challenged on this, Phattscotty returns with .. OH, so you like people on welfare using drugs. THAT, is plain and simply dishonest. And.. sorry, but laughter is as legitimate a response to that as anything else. That you cannot see that means, as I said before, either you, too are biased or you have not read through the debates, not really.
