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Backglass wrote:Agree 100%. Religion is unnecessary.
luns101 wrote:My two-part question to the skeptics here is this:
If God does exist and it can be proven without a shadow of a doubt, then what are the ramifications of that to you personally?
If God does not exist and it can be proven without a shadow of a doubt that life arose by random chance/natural processes, what are the ramifications of that to you personally?
luns101 wrote:Backglass wrote:Agree 100%. Religion is unnecessary.
Backglass, just because you don't believe that God exists, does not mean that you aren't religious. You hold to the faith of your non-belief in God just as rigorously as those who hold to their faith that God exists.
luns101 wrote:Backglass wrote:Agree 100%. Religion is unnecessary.
Backglass, just because you don't believe that God exists, does not mean that you aren't religious. You hold to the faith of your non-belief in God just as rigorously as those who hold to their faith that God exists.
Backglass wrote:I find it interesting that religious people have a very hard time understanding the concept of "no religion". I don't have one. Atheism isn't a religion. There isn't any church or bible...there are no meetings. We don't have rituals, or have special holidays. We don't pray, we don't congregate and "fellowship"...we don't pay dues or have pancake breakfasts.
It just means I don't believe in any gods/devils. Thats all. We checked "none" on the hospital form when our children were born.
Now, you can call that a religion if it helps you comprehend it, but that doesn't make it one. If you think that having a strong position and arguing against something makes it a religion than disliking/arguing against Hillary Clinton, Abortion or George Bush must make them religions as well. But they aren't.
luns101 wrote:you go beyond that and proactively try to discourage Christians/Theists who do believe. Atheists also proactively go out and try to eliminate the discussion of God in public institutions. That's proselytizing.
You may not personally attend an atheist church, but there are atheists who congregate together and have "services" with their own rituals. Yes, atheism is religious by nature. You have a fundamental set of beliefs by which you live your life and explain its purpose. It's definitely way different than mine, but it is a belief system nonetheless.
qwert wrote:Can i ask you something?What is porpose for you to open these Political topic in ConquerClub? Why you mix politic with Risk? Why you not open topic like HOT AND SEXY,or something like that.
Anarchy Ninja wrote:i no i have never had aethiest come around my door telling about their beliefs/disbeliefs.
but why argue about the exsitence of a christian god if thats what people need to stay motivated and be good to each other then let them have it, they should not force it on othre people ie in schools etc just as it should not be forced to not believe in one.
im one of those crazy buddhist who believe in love in peaceand this works for me and im sure without relegion many people would be a lot worse then they are or give up on life all together. you just have to remember that the basis for nearly of them is to love your fellow man.
qwert wrote:Can i ask you something?What is porpose for you to open these Political topic in ConquerClub? Why you mix politic with Risk? Why you not open topic like HOT AND SEXY,or something like that.
Guiscard wrote:Firstly, no Atheists do not actively seek to discourage religion.
Guiscard wrote:There are no 'teachings' or 'commandments
Guiscard wrote:Some atheists seek to argue against religion for various reasons, but that is no different to arguing against slavery, or genocide or whatever you fancy really.
Guiscard wrote:There is no fundamental system of beliefs or values. Its not religious by nature. Atheism does not prescribe ANY action!
Guiscard wrote:It is simply a lack of belief in religion.
Backglass wrote:If it could be proven that gods DON'T exist beyond a shadow of a doubt, nothing would change for me personally as I already believe that now. Not to mention the fact we would have dramatically less wars, killings and pompous web postings.
unriggable wrote:Luns, only a few people preach that way. Most atheists just don't do religion. I've been atheist my entire life, it's not like I quit a curch and looked for a replacement. Those are unitarians.
luns101 wrote:unriggable wrote:Luns, only a few people preach that way. Most atheists just don't do religion. I've been atheist my entire life, it's not like I quit a curch and looked for a replacement. Those are unitarians.
While that may be true for you...most of the atheists here do preach their own beliefs. I've seen many examples of whenever the Christians here start threads to discuss matters that they all hold in common, the skeptics/atheists go there and start calling our beliefs: lies, fabrications, distortions, etc. etc. They are not just simply disagreeing but seeking to discourage.
Unriggable, if Christianity or Theism is such a farce, then why do they go there and constantly harass them and offer up why they believe differently. That's preaching!
Nobody here is forcing them to believe in God. If they want to believe that the purpose of their lives are different, by all means...go ahead. I doubt they could control their impulses to discourage Christians with their witty cliches.
luns101 wrote:While that may be true for you...most of the atheists here do preach their own beliefs. I've seen many examples of whenever the Christians here start threads to discuss matters that they all hold in common, the skeptics/atheists go there and start calling our beliefs: lies, fabrications, distortions, etc. etc. They are not just simply disagreeing but seeking to discourage.
Unriggable, if Christianity or Theism is such a farce, then why do they go there and constantly harass them and offer up why they believe differently. That's preaching!
Nobody here is forcing them to believe in God. If they want to believe that the purpose of their lives are different, by all means...go ahead. I doubt they could control their impulses to discourage Christians with their witty cliches.
qwert wrote:Can i ask you something?What is porpose for you to open these Political topic in ConquerClub? Why you mix politic with Risk? Why you not open topic like HOT AND SEXY,or something like that.
luns101 wrote:While that may be true for you...most of the atheists here do preach their own beliefs. I've seen many examples of whenever the Christians here start threads to discuss matters that they all hold in common, the skeptics/atheists go there and start calling our beliefs: lies, fabrications, distortions, etc. etc. They are not just simply disagreeing but seeking to discourage.
luns101 wrote:Unriggable, if Christianity or Theism is such a farce, then why do they go there and constantly harass them and offer up why they believe differently. That's preaching!
luns101 wrote:Nobody here is forcing them to believe in God. If they want to believe that the purpose of their lives are different, by all means...go ahead.
luns101 wrote:I doubt they could control their impulses to discourage Christians with their witty cliches.
Guiscard wrote:Shut up and get out this thread you idiot. Christianity had the bloodiest past of any religion, and still today people wage war in the name of the Christian God and protecting all that is 'right'. Does that mean that all good Christians are deluded and don't know what they believe??? There's already a thread for ignorant islamaphobic flamers, go post in there.
Guiscard wrote:Some atheists seek to argue against religion for various reasons, but that is no different to arguing against slavery, or genocide or whatever you fancy really. It isn't because atheism tells you to argue, it is just that you see it as wrong and may want to stop it.
Backglass wrote:Well sure! When the bible-thumpers insist on starting thread after thread about your beliefs on public forums, I feel compelled to respond. If you were to stop with the creation of uber-religious threads...the atheists would stop. End of story.
Backglass wrote:I LOVE how you must place your christian labels on atheists. "Preach". "Gospel". "Services". "Prosletizing" (sp?). So...if an atheist speaks out, he is preaching?
Backglass wrote:Then STOP with the continuous stream of religions threads!
Backglass wrote:Just as I doubt you can control your urges to start new religious threads in an attempt to convert others.
Backglass wrote:As for your links...Shall I find a few religious-wacko web quotes to "prove" that ALL christians are cultists? christians don't have a lock on fanatics ya know...we have them too.
luns101 wrote:Oh come on, backglass! We have every right to express our opinions just like you do. This is sounding like your "you have the right to leave the public schol system" argument. Christians as well as atheists pay taxes that support the public school system and we have just as much right as you do to have our voices heard. It's the same as here, we Christians play our RISK games to the best of our ability, as do you. We pay our premium membership, as do you. So we have just as much right to discuss our opinions as you do. You're just trying to silence any opposition to your worldview with no discourse.
luns101 wrote:Oh come on, backglass! We have every right to express our opinions just like you do.
luns101 wrote:Christians as well as atheists pay taxes that support the public school system and we have just as much right as you do to have our voices heard.
luns101 wrote:You're just trying to silence any opposition to your worldview with no discourse.
luns101 wrote:The atheists/skeptics here start anti-Christian/anti-God threads more than we start pro-Christian or pro-God threads. Here are just a few examples:
"Forcing religion down your throat!"
"Why all religions are fake"
"Anal sex is ok with God"
"A Challenge to Theists"
"Ok guys serious need to stop this religion sh*t"
"Why I disagree with the Christian God"
"Post here if you don't buy into the Jesus Myth"
luns101 wrote:Don't tell me that the Christians here are "over-running" the threads.
luns101 wrote:What's wrong with a few Christians starting a discussion about what they believe. You're free to look or not look...nobody's forcing anything down your throat.
luns101 wrote:You and I would probably actually have a good time laughing at some of these people while having a few beers.
qwert wrote:Can i ask you something?What is porpose for you to open these Political topic in ConquerClub? Why you mix politic with Risk? Why you not open topic like HOT AND SEXY,or something like that.
MeDeFe wrote:Except that there aren't any classes on atheism, are there? And no, biology, mathematics and other sciences do not count. The fact that they don't mention god is not enough to make them atheistic.
MeDeFe wrote:And if both groups have the right to discuss their opinions, don't complain when they do. There would be far more reason to complain if they didn't imo.
MeDeFe wrote:And on a side note, the "Forcing religion"-thread was started by a christian afaik. A sense of humour is something good, isn't it?
Guiscard wrote:OK. For the last time, Luns, you cannot equate the arguments posed by members of this site, including me, with atheism as a whole. You've yet to respond to the assertion made by me several times that there are billions of atheists around the world who don't care what you believe and won't argue with you at all!!!
Guiscard wrote:I like to have a good argument about everything, be it religion, philosophy or politics. Just because members of this site argue strongly against religion (and I mean all religion, NOT just Christianity), doesn't mean this is BECAUSE they are atheists. It is BECAUSE they are ARGUMENTATIVE!
Guiscard wrote:What I mean by mentioning slavery and genocide is that I don't think either are a good thing, just as I don't think religion is. That's my personal views not the beliefs of some prescriptive religion called 'atheism'.
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