The Passion of Owenshooter

[Fruitcake]

Just to clarify. Team cc are saying that to go into a thread, say giving away premium, and state an opinion, just the once, is fine?

[TheSaxlad]

Yes. Stating it once gets the point across, hell even state it once in the thread and create your own thread to discuss it with community members.

But not the same opinion posted in various different ways all across site in a small period of time.

[Dukasaur]

I was just trying to explain why it was a 3 month ban. I disagree with the ban, and the fact that the escalating system has no "roll-off" period for infractions.

Before this gets buried, I would like to say that although I may disagree with you about everything else, I do agree on this one point. Any system based on cumulative demerit points should have an expiry date on the points.

[Dukasaur]

So if you are giving away premium, you are a protected class?

I recently discovered that I like to run tournaments. If someone posts in my thread saying my tournament sucks, best believe I'm going to reply saying why my tournament is awesome. If they persist, I will persist, and escalate the level of rhetoric if necessary.

If you don't mind having your tournament threads trolled, that's fine. Most people would mind. And most people, if they didn't like your tournament, would have the common courtesy to say so once and then move on, not hang around flogging a dead horse.

[JoshyBoy]

So how long before the moderators lock this thread? This case just highlights how messed up the moderating on this site is, and exposes a flaw in the escalating system.

[BigBallinStalin]

I thought personal info should be applicable to CC members!

If you are suggesting that posting someone else's facebook page, who is not a member of CC, is not posting personal information about someone, I'm glad you brought that up!

On that page were pictures of InsomniaRed, posts made about Insom and, in fact, posts made BY Insom. In fact, look at owen's quote - the link was added in support of a post about Insom, along with directions on how to discover specific information about her on the linked-to page. Clearly, the link was a Personal Information violation.

Just because it was not InsomniaRed's personal page, doesn't mean it didn't contain personal information about her.

but Insom herself did post her real name which enable you to make search and find her profile?

she posted her own info all over CC, including her IMDB link!!! this was not personal info!! and the boyfriend is not a member of CC!!! you are stretching. one has nothing to do with the other. he did not receive a warning for this, so it does not appy to this thread. you are now trolling by having posted about this over a half dozen times. you are now trolling this thread by CC's new standard!!!

Firstly, her profile is private, so I don't know how her boyfriend's information was found.
And Vace, if I post personal information about myself by posting a picture of myself, along with my name and my address, are you saying that it's acceptable for you then to search my name, find and post pictures of me being a drunken idiot at a bar with my arm around a woman other than my wife? That, sir, would be a stretch.

So, the girl at the bar, how was she?

[Leehar]

I think that's reasonable. I just don't do it and then write a long explanation of why I did it. That is what happened regardless of past so called "offenses". If people were getting pissed why not just pm or call him out in the forums first? That wasn't done because somebody could use their power and get off on it.

But from what I understand it's been done before, many many times. There have been official discussions, unofficial discussions, and off-orbit completely in dead space discussions, owens seemingly never got it, and has always continued pushing every boundary he can think off. Someone mentioned earlier, that it was said team cc spends more time on him than anything else, and if thats the case then something needed to be done, and this incident was deemed worthy enough to do it?
For the most part even this thread has degenerated into a pissing contest...

[Victor Sullivan]

For the most part even this thread has degenerated into a pissing contest...

In the words of The Great Pumpkin Evil Semp, "Put them back in your pants, guys..."

-Sully

[Qwert]

"War news:
Commynity vs Mods- Community start rioting ,because mods ban owenshoter, and in begining only few mods are in defensive positions, but after 8-9 pages of post, its look that supreme comander( he is in shadow) give order that more and more mods move into ofensive against comynity defending ban decision, so far not one mod defected to comunity, and situation step by step will move in mods advantage. Its expected that comunity riot will be crush in next few days"

Well i read what owen write, and probably because mine knowlege of english its low,i can not find reason for ban, probably some high mod become nervous with owen and urge that andy ban owen.

So exactly why was Owen given this ban?

Well, for the sake of openness let's take a look. he received an email stating:

Ahoy Owenshooter,

It looks like recently you've engaged in some specific trolling, RE your posts:
(the posts are quoted here for sake of brevity. Fc)

Re: *BpB Sig Contest/FREE PREMIUM*
Postby owenshooter on Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:49 am
owenshooter wrote:
how original... team CC has a contest where you sport a sig with a partner, one premium one freemium (doubling the exposure of the sig)... and if you win the drawing the premium gets a medal and the freemium gets 3 months of premium. how can our rag tag clan give away a year, and cc can only manage 3 months? wow!!!-0
Re: [Free Premium] Share the Warmth Epidemic 2011
Postby owenshooter on Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:51 am
owenshooter wrote:
wow... how is it that our rag tag clan can give away a free year premium to a freemium, and team CC can only manage 3 months? i applaud you for your efforts (i believe the bandits invented the sig contest concept on CC), but CC needs to step up in the prize dept. it looks bad when a bunch of forum renegades and kick ass players can muster together the funds to give away a year premium, and team cc gives away 3 months... you are better than this team CC!!!-0

p.s.-any freemium interested in a year, click on my sig...
Re: General Congratulations
Postby owenshooter on Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:54 am
owenshooter wrote:
congrats to the CC entertainment team for copying the bandits with a sig contest and upping the anty with a whole 3 month premium for the winner... oh wait, we always give away a full year!!! way to go team CC!!!-0
Re: General Congratulations
Postby owenshooter on Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:06 am
owenshooter wrote:
Crazyirishman wrote:
Congrats to the black jesus for forgetting that the CC team has done this for multiple years now, despite their yearning to mimic the BPB

Congrats to the CC entertainment team for making a contest that requires less effort/knowledge for the general populace.

PS- (your contest is still fun El Jesus Negro, nobody is trying to steal your thunder.)
congrats to the wee man for not knowing his CC history and that we have done this contest every year since cc's inception...-0
Re: General Congratulations
Postby owenshooter on Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:20 pm
owenshooter wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:
Congrats to the Entertainment Team and the Summer Bash.


--Andy
congrats to the summer bash starting almost 2 full months after the start of summer (june 21st)... and congrats to team CC for not ponying up more than 3 months of premium for a contest when clans and individuals have contests going now with a full premium for the prize... step it up CC, you are looking bad...-0
Re: [Free Premium] Share the Warmth Epidemic 2011
Postby owenshooter on Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:27 pm
owenshooter wrote:
samuelc812 wrote:
For the record owen, we are giving away a total of 2 years and 3 months in this entire event. We can offer more people prizes by splitting up what we've got, so we can make more people happy. But then again i know i shouldn't be wasting my breath explaining this to you, since by your own admission to me you argue for the sake of argument.

~Sam
hey, all i'm saying is others are giving away a full year, so you kind of look cheap... and not to mention summer started 2 months ago... anyway, knock yourself out!!! have fun!!-0

hmm, its look that im not so smart,because still i can not figure, what words caused 3 mont ban.

[jbrettlip]

Yes. Stating it once gets the point across, hell even state it once in the thread and create your own thread to discuss it with community members.

But not the same opinion posted in various different ways all across site in a small period of time.

one statement in the contest thread, followed by 2 responses and a "good luck" to team CC on the way out of the thread. 2 posts in OUR contest thread, followed by a response to a member. those 6 posts were in 16 hours. please explain to me how that is excessive. Serbia trolled this thread with an off topic accusation that owen never received a warning for and which occurred over a month ago, with far more posts in less than half the time over 4 pages, YESTERDAY!!!!! how are 6 posts, ON TOPIC, in 16 hours trolling? yet, 4 times as many posts in half the time in a one thread, off topic, is not? it makes no sense. and most of you are re-writing owen history, as he can not come in here and defend himself. it is funny how all the flaming, baiting and name calling continues against him, and he isn't even here to respond. andy pulled the trigger, because he had already gotten away with a 6 month made up ban against owen. seriously, 6 posts in 16 hours is trolling? on topic posts? half of them in our contest thread. makes no sense. the new CC standard has been set, and we have all seen Serbia already get away with murder according to andy's own standards. this is such a farce, it is barely laughable.

[BoganGod]

one thing what i hate most,its that in some issue with Mods, every mod say same. Similar situation like in map foundry,where one CA demand one thing,and all other CA and Foundry foreman jump in defence of these . Its same here, Chief Commander of Mods say "you ALL need to defend any decision,even if these not 100% ok" . If i need to be in position to not have mine oppinion,and need to speak like all other,i will quit these position.Why mods dont have free choice to say something abouth some decision who are not ok?
In every ban situation,mods sing like one, why not one jump and say "Its wrong". You are not pay for these positions, and only what can hepend,its to lost colours,if you think that something its wrong.
Well these is mine opservation,right now, maybe im wrong, and maybe not.

Despite qwert's slight grammatical mistakes, he makes an excellent point. Team CC has to show a united front, even though individuals may have different opinions. If a mod does disagree, they keep it in the private forums, or say nothing at all. This prevents conflict within the Team, and presents a "united front" to the community.

that is the way politics operates in australia.

you can discuss something privately all you like but once the Team makes its position known all fall in line.

one for all, all for one.

Bullshit mate, that is not the way politcs operates in Australia. Politics in Australia like in most of the western world is opinion poll based. Get the wrong numbers from the focus group, knife your leader in the back and stage a coup. The party in government dumped a first term prime minister because the polls were just a little bit shaky. Bland is gooooooooooood in Australian politics, stand for nothing, do nothing, do backflips on demand.

Australian political lesson over for the day children. Uncle Bogan will now speak about CC.

CC is vastly different than Australian politics. Team CC are not elected. Team CC don't take opinion polls nor do they appear to care about public opinion. Maybe the CC community gets the moderation it deserves. Have noticed quite a few ex mods in forums of late, and they are the mods that had community respect. Being a mod is a prick of a job. Sane people wouldn't want to do the job. So since most of us don't want to do it, we get those that do.... There appear to be 2main types of mods at present. Community service minded volunteers(I too wanted to change the world when I was younger, recommend working in corrupt 3rd world countries for a while, shatters illusions nicely) and power tripping hypocrites(who could have a future in Australian politics, knew there was a tie in somewhere)........(watch Uncle Bogan go on vacation soon, Uncle Bogan is not a protected species) A balance between good and not so good. Me thinks that one of the not so good mods made a poor choice here.

Was Owen over the top? Yes.

Was the punishment over the top? Yes

Where do we go from here? Probably no where, this thread will get locked eventually, or fade into obscurity. Nothing will have changed, or will change. I think it would take a lot more people to not renew their premium membership before a clear, concise, and comprehensive system is put into place to deal with infractions, perceived infractions and personality issues/conflicts.


http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=148697&hilit=bogangod+discussion This thread had some frank discussion about mods, discussion from community members, current mods, ex mods. Etc. Started at the suggestion of thegreekdog whilst he was still a mod. Did he fail the mod test? Noticed that he was capable of admitting when he had made a mistake, and then even reversing a decision! That doesn't sound like it would make other mods happy........

[JoshyBoy]

Uncle Bogan is spot on.

On another note, owenshooter getting banned for posting the same message a few times and getting banned for three months, is like me stealing a 25 penny chocolate bar from Tesco and getting put in prison for three years. What I'm trying to say is "let the punishment fit the crime"!

If you had to ban him, how about a week or a month at the most. Three months is so fucking harsh.

[Johnny Rockets]

By repurchasing your premium can you get out of a three or six month ban? Or is it just when they ban your account multi offenses?


If so, can I "bail" Owen out?

Johnny Rockets



( They should set up a fine system anyway, that way we can set up a defense fund for shit like this. We could spring "offenders" for a penny apiece. And, yes....I know they would rake it in by handing out fines indiscriminately but then we could hire Anonymous to fill Lack's inbox with porn site and online gambling offers.)

[JoshyBoy]

By repurchasing your premium can you get out of a three or six month ban? Or is it just when they ban your account multi offenses?


If so, can I "bail" Owen out?

Johnny Rockets



( They should set up a fine system anyway, that way we can set up a defense fund for shit like this. We could spring "offenders" for a penny apiece. And, yes....I know they would rake it in by handing out fines indiscriminately but then we could hire Anonymous to fill Lack's inbox with porn site and online gambling offers.)

Yes!!!!

[Gillipig]

one thing what i hate most,its that in some issue with Mods, every mod say same. Similar situation like in map foundry,where one CA demand one thing,and all other CA and Foundry foreman jump in defence of these . Its same here, Chief Commander of Mods say "you ALL need to defend any decision,even if these not 100% ok" . If i need to be in position to not have mine oppinion,and need to speak like all other,i will quit these position.Why mods dont have free choice to say something abouth some decision who are not ok?
In every ban situation,mods sing like one, why not one jump and say "Its wrong". You are not pay for these positions, and only what can hepend,its to lost colours,if you think that something its wrong.
Well these is mine opservation,right now, maybe im wrong, and maybe not.

Despite qwert's slight grammatical mistakes, he makes an excellent point. Team CC has to show a united front, even though individuals may have different opinions. If a mod does disagree, they keep it in the private forums, or say nothing at all. This prevents conflict within the Team, and presents a "united front" to the community.

that is the way politics operates in australia.

you can discuss something privately all you like but once the Team makes its position known all fall in line.

one for all, all for one.

Bullshit mate, that is not the way politcs operates in Australia. Politics in Australia like in most of the western world is opinion poll based. Get the wrong numbers from the focus group, knife your leader in the back and stage a coup. The party in government dumped a first term prime minister because the polls were just a little bit shaky. Bland is gooooooooooood in Australian politics, stand for nothing, do nothing, do backflips on demand.

Australian political lesson over for the day children. Uncle Bogan will now speak about CC.

CC is vastly different than Australian politics. Team CC are not elected. Team CC don't take opinion polls nor do they appear to care about public opinion. Maybe the CC community gets the moderation it deserves. Have noticed quite a few ex mods in forums of late, and they are the mods that had community respect. Being a mod is a prick of a job. Sane people wouldn't want to do the job. So since most of us don't want to do it, we get those that do.... There appear to be 2main types of mods at present. Community service minded volunteers(I too wanted to change the world when I was younger, recommend working in corrupt 3rd world countries for a while, shatters illusions nicely) and power tripping hypocrites(who could have a future in Australian politics, knew there was a tie in somewhere)........(watch Uncle Bogan go on vacation soon, Uncle Bogan is not a protected species) A balance between good and not so good. Me thinks that one of the not so good mods made a poor choice here.

Was Owen over the top? Yes.

Was the punishment over the top? Yes

Where do we go from here? Probably no where, this thread will get locked eventually, or fade into obscurity. Nothing will have changed, or will change. I think it would take a lot more people to not renew their premium membership before a clear, concise, and comprehensive system is put into place to deal with infractions, perceived infractions and personality issues/conflicts.


http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=148697&hilit=bogangod+discussion This thread had some frank discussion about mods, discussion from community members, current mods, ex mods. Etc. Started at the suggestion of thegreekdog whilst he was still a mod. Did he fail the mod test? Noticed that he was capable of admitting when he had made a mistake, and then even reversing a decision! That doesn't sound like it would make other mods happy........

Politicians of the same political party generally show a united front regardless of what country you speak off! I remember an incident in Sweden 10 years ago when Sweden was having a referendum regarding the Euro. One politician got a lot of hate from his party members for not supporting their agreed upon policy. real discussions in politics takes place behind closed doors. Just thought I'd correct you on that one !

[BoganGod]

Gillipiggy, do your research on aussie politics. The current prime minister challenged the previous prime minister(who had won election in a landslide victory) in a labour party leadership vote. Mainly because of a few poor opinion polls. The labour party was lucky to be re elected. They are only governing as part of a coalition with the green party and only scraped into government again on secondary preferences. They have not showed a united front, and a known for their factional wars.

Back to owen and power tripping over moderation discussion please

[Robinette]

By repurchasing your premium can you get out of a three or six month ban? Or is it just when they ban your account multi offenses?


If so, can I "bail" Owen out?

Johnny Rockets



( They should set up a fine system anyway, that way we can set up a defense fund for shit like this. We could spring "offenders" for a penny apiece. And, yes....I know they would rake it in by handing out fines indiscriminately but then we could hire Anonymous to fill Lack's inbox with porn site and online gambling offers.)

Hey... you may be onto something here...

The bail could be used to fund an increase from 3 month giveaways to 6 month giveaways, or maybe even all the way to 1 year if there were enough fines given out...

And we would have owen and his entertaining persona back...

And this would naturally create more respect for the mods... just like how we all drive slower when there are CHiPs nearby.

[Qwert]

WTF(and its not Western task force), im in hard way find these topic,hide in "General Congratulations"
Who of "smart" mods move here where is not belonge. Are we need to congratulate mods for ban qwenshother,or moderators ,only want to show that comunity are bunch of morons, and they dont know diference betwen discusion abouth ban,and general congratulations.
Mods kick in ass comunity, these is how i see now these merge topic situation.

[Metsfanmax]

It wasn't actually moved back to the General Congratulations thread. It started out there and was moved to a separate thread because it was kind of off topic. Now someone just changed the title back.

[jefjef]

By repurchasing your premium can you get out of a three or six month ban? Or is it just when they ban your account multi offenses?


If so, can I "bail" Owen out?

Johnny Rockets



( They should set up a fine system anyway, that way we can set up a defense fund for shit like this. We could spring "offenders" for a penny apiece. And, yes....I know they would rake it in by handing out fines indiscriminately but then we could hire Anonymous to fill Lack's inbox with porn site and online gambling offers.)

Hey... you may be onto something here...

The bail could be used to fund an increase from 3 month giveaways to 6 month giveaways, or maybe even all the way to 1 year if there were enough fines given out...

And we would have owen and his entertaining persona back...

And this would naturally create more respect for the mods... just like how we all drive slower when there are CHiPs nearby.

BAD IDEA> CC is a for profit business and would be heavy handed, abusive and generous in issuing "fines".

[Gillipig]

The poll isn't very fair because this thread is full of owen's clanmates who will just automatically vote yes because he's in their clan! Don't you think it's hypocritical that you complain about moderators sticking up for each other when that's what you're doing? If Owen wasn't in your clan I'm sure a lot of you wouldn't be so vocal in his defense!!

[Crazyirishman]

the poll is unfair because it doesnt have a kittens are cute option

[natty dread]

The poll isn't very fair because this thread is full of owen's clanmates who will just automatically vote yes because he's in their clan! Don't you think it's hypocritical that you complain about moderators sticking up for each other when that's what you're doing? If Owen wasn't in your clan I'm sure a lot of you wouldn't be so vocal in his defense!!

OMG, that's like the stupidest thing I've heard in a looooooong time... and I've heard plenty of stupid. You're basically saying this poll is unfair because... what, people who disagree with you are allowed to vote?

It's like, you go into Switzerland when there's a presidential election in Switzerland, and then you complain it's unfair because all the voters are Swiss. Or something.

[zimmah]

It does seem something of a police state type of action when Owen is given a ban for stating an opinion. Notwithstanding he did mention it often over 16 hours.

Just to be clear on this. The facts are that cc is giving away a measly 3 months premium like it was some God given gift...furthermore members HAVE have to wear the cc signature (controlling?). To do such a thing does cause some long term members to have a strong view. I have refused to pay premium for some time now as I cannot see why I should support such an oppressive environment as is presently seen by a very poorly performing Moderation crew (with notable exceptions). This is purely my opinion.

The bandits are giving away 12 months premium and it does seem shabby of Andy and his crew to punish Owen for showing them up in a bad light. As has been mentioned there is no real on cost in giving away 3 months premium, there is purely a loss of income. I notice Andy has not shown support for the Bandit initiative....a piss poor performance by him especially.

All in all a pretty rum do by Andy Dufresne and his team.

They have to wear the avatar in addition to the signature. It's not really a contest it's more of a raffle with a random person who kept the avatar/signature up getting the 3 months premium.

The BPB Premium giveaway actually requires effort and skill where the winner displayed a semblance of talent in his or her knowledge of ROCK and is therefore more worthy of the description of a contest.

this is about the first and only time i agree with you.

also. i never really liked owen, but i don't think he deserves a ban either.

[Army of GOD]

The poll isn't very fair because this thread is full of owen's clanmates who will just automatically vote yes because he's in their clan! Don't you think it's hypocritical that you complain about moderators sticking up for each other when that's what you're doing? If Owen wasn't in your clan I'm sure a lot of you wouldn't be so vocal in his defense!!

OMG, that's like the stupidest thing I've heard in a looooooong time... and I've heard plenty of stupid. You're basically saying this poll is unfair because... what, people who disagree with you are allowed to vote?

It's like, you go into Switzerland when there's a presidential election in Switzerland, and then you complain it's unfair because all the voters are Swiss. Or something.

Not really but ok. Whatever helps you sleep at night.