US Military Action in Libya?

[Qwert]

well i dont have nothing against normal people from west,who only look hess jobs,and dont go around bombarding everything what move.
If you ask some people from west,who are normal,they will say something like" What i get with these Invasion of Libya? Why i need to help some rebels in Libya, they dont attack me so why will i attack hem".
Unfortunatly Goverment of western countries have imperialistic plans, to create bunch of countries in Africa and Middle east who will be forced allies with NAto(us).
I belive that in many NAto countries, citizens become very unpleased with organisation who are primarly task to defend each other, and not to attack any country what US think that its not democratic.
You all ready have small number of NAto countries who involve in libya bombardment, and every next US Invasion operation will have more and more negative imact on Nato member.
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oftopic-saxi im a boy,these mean that you are girl?

[saxitoxin]

Saxi, Quebec is doing just fine, merci beaucoup...

As to the Libyan people, they will be much better off in the near future as the billions from their oil will stop going to Qaddhafi's bank accounts in Switzerland to be spent on things like his rotten progeny buying up Italian soccer teams and other trophies. i would imagine the Libyan people have a very bright and comfortable future if they can put together a decent government.

The OP's main question has been answered though, the US and NATO won't be bringing any troops on the ground in Libya now that the country is about to be liberated. Yes saxi, there is indeed a risk of the country becoming hostage to foreign interests, but its people can rise up against any future corrupt regimes the same way they are deposing the current one.

Well said. It's always funny when Saxi is wrong. Always.

always ...

Title: "Libya Now Needs Boots on the Ground"
Author: Richard Haass, U.S. State Department
Date: August 22, 2011
Link: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/559804f8-c ... z1Vk5FwHZd

Looks like ol' Saxi is wrong ... AGAIN!

Der Spiegel is now reporting German commandos have deployed "on the ground" in Libya.

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0 ... 64,00.html

These are the GSG-9 troops of the Berlin Weimar Berlin Flensburg Berlin Bonn Berlin (sorry, hard to keep track of where they're meeting from year to year) puppet government.

LOL, German troops already in Libya, the US State Department calling for NATO ground forces ... all within hours. In 30 days downtown Tripoli will look like the parade grounds at Fort Benning.

oftopic-saxi im a boy,these mean that you are girl?

You're not a lady, qwert?

@#$!ing @#$! ... ol' Saxi needs to call Hotel Srbija to see if I can get a refund on the room I booked for next weekend. I already put a deposit on my Diner's Club card.

[spurgistan]

So, Germany deploying eleven (11) security agents to Libya with the mission of protecting diplomats (and certainly members of the oil extraction industry) constitutes an intervention. I think Germany knows how to fight wars, saxi. Unless Germany has some super-soldier program in the works, I don't think they intend 11 secret service agents to have an effect on the revolution.

[saxitoxin]

OOPS! Saxi got it WRONG again! LMAO!!!!!

1 - London School of Economics-trained Dr. Saif al-Islam Qaddafi - who NTC claimed they "arrested" 24 hours ago - non-chalantly shows up at Rixos Hotel, "Oh hai! I've been on a drive. So SRY, didn't know anyone was looking for me!" CNN reporters take photo ops with him.

http://twitter.com/#!/mchancecnn/status ... 9168842752



2 - Mohammed Qaddafi - who NTC claimed they "arrested" 24 hours ago - also free and tooling about Tripoli in an open-top Range Rover.

Do you westerners still think you're getting the whole story from your slavish media? LOL. Every single thing puked out by the CIA front group "NTC" has been a proven lie, including these moronic claims, and yet still people believe. If ever your eyes were actually opened up to the stark reality of your criminal governments versus the Black-vs-White stage-play that's being performed for you ...

3 - WaPo says rebels are "are engaged in emergency redeployments in Tripoli in the face of unanticipated resistance" ... LOL, translation: rebels wandered into a trap and are being utterly decimated by Jamahiryah armour and mechanized infantry. NATO air forces are useless in the urban setting. Jalil packing bags to flee country with his 30 wives.

4 - RT reports that U.S. PsyOps troops embedded at Rixos under cover as CNN journos are frantically threatening the foreign media not to report negatively on the NTC. http://youtu.be/wDZ86eNaKhM

It's still a long way from a victory for the Libyan people against NATO and the odds are still stacked in NATO's favour but things are looking up up up!

[GreecePwns]

What my friend sax is trying to say is,

[patches70]

Obama is going to learn, and American's are going to be reminded of what Reagan came to realize about the Middle East. It's a freaking mire and nothing ever turns out how we'd like it to.

It's just going to be a mess no matter what. A mess that we have had a hand in especially with Libya. All of you who think it's all going to be good that "democracy" is coming to these countries will be sadly disappointed in due time.

In the meantime we'll dump money into another bottomless pit. LOL at those who think "900 million? Well worth the price to get a tyrant out!" as if that's all we'll have to spend. 10 years from now, when Libya is still in chaos, then say "It was worth it!" Well, I hope you truly do think it's worth it, because you're paying for it. Principle plus interest. But hey, what's another billion when we're 14 trillion in the hole already. Right? After awhile, you know, we'll be talking about some real money!

Pathetic.

[General_Tao]

You don't have a good grasp on the local issues, for one Libya is a very rich country, the US doesn't need to spend much beyond the weapons used to date by NATO. Most of the heavy lifting is already done.

The Middle East has been a mess in good part because of dictators like Qaddafi and Assad, most of whom were propped by outside government. The countries that have risen this year have a chance for a fresh start.

[GreecePwns]

If we really cared about taking down ruthless dictators shooting down their own people, where is NATO in Syria? Or Saudi Arabia? What about Bahrain, who couldn't even bother to shoot down their own people so they hired the Saudi army to do it for them?

[saxitoxin]

Gen. Abdel Behaj, the rebel commander who yesterday declared Tripoli was captured and the end was near, is now reported dead; killed by fighters of the Libyan Resistance.

RT reports more than 2,000 civillians in Tripoli have been killed in 24 hours as NATO aircraft have started carpet-bombing the city. Reports of NATO troops - Forward Air Controllers - now on the ground directing the vengeance bombing campaign.

One of Earth's most ancient and historic cities is now engulfed in the bloodiest massacre/barrel-shoot the modern world has ever seen. This is just pure carnage. The 36 NATO nations vs. the people of 1 small North African country. And people wonder where terrorists come from? When people have no way left to fight, when they are completely crushed ---

The Libyan Resistance is mounting the most heroic stand since the Battle of Masada and, sadly, may end up the same way.

As of yesterday NATO had dropped 40,000 bombs on Libya. Nearly 1 bomb for every hero in the Libyan army.

[Qwert]

Finaly western run for oil started, and everybody try to reach best oil fields,to grab for them.

[BigBallinStalin]

Finaly western run for oil started, and everybody try to reach best oil fields,to grab for them.

According to WSJ, they're worried about security, so they have to wait to see which rebel faction takes control of the government, or MAYBE if NATO doesn't push for a national, central government, Libya's various rebel factions can govern themselves, and resolve disputes among themselves.

[BigBallinStalin]

The Middle East has been a mess in good part because of dictators like Qaddafi and Assad, most of whom were propped by outside government. The countries that have risen this year have a chance for a fresh start.

The Middle East has been a mess because:

(1) since their independence in the 1950s and 1960s, it's difficult for central government to impose a nationality over a region of different peoples (some countries had it easier than others). Also, most of the governments of the Middle East remain stable only through very oppressive measures, which help breed the future dissenters.

(2) competition between the Soviet Union and the US/NATO led to arms races within the Middle East, which lead to proxy wars and propped up dictators by the Soviet Union and US/NATO.

(3) having petroleum in the hands of a totalitarian or almost totalitarian government doesn't help either.

[saxitoxin]

One hour ago congressmen Kucinich and Waters issued a call for the arrest and trial of the Canadian war criminal Bouchard. Former attorney general Ramsey Clark, the greatest living American, has offered to seek Bouchard's indictment in a country that allows private prosecutions.

Dr. Ron Paul will issue a statement on NATO war crimes later this week, specifically U.S. violations of the UN arms embargo on all sides in the conflict.

[Phatscotty]

If we really cared about taking down ruthless dictators shooting down their own people, where is NATO in Syria? Or Saudi Arabia? What about Bahrain, who couldn't even bother to shoot down their own people so they hired the Saudi army to do it for them?

There is more than just shooting their own people to consider.


With so many countries killing their own people, we can afford to choose.

[GreecePwns]

Well what's the difference between this one and the rest, and why can't Tao notice the difference?

[Phatscotty]

Well what's the difference between this one and the rest, and why can't Tao notice the difference?

IDK. I have a feeling it has something to do with Obama's pastor, black liberation theology paster Reverend Wright.

Google Wright and Libya once. See what comes up, that is, if you want to see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

[patches70]

IDK. I have a feeling it has something to do with Obama's pastor, black liberation theology paster Reverend Wright.

Google Wright and Libya once. See what comes up, that is, if you want to see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

It would seem....that ole Gadhafi may have been a tad bit premature in his praise......

"Now, ruling America is a black man from our continent, an African from Arab descent, from Muslim descent, and this is something we never imagined – that from Reagan we would get to Barakeh <sic> Obama."

[spurgistan]

The Middle East has been a mess in good part because of dictators like Qaddafi and Assad, most of whom were propped by outside government. The countries that have risen this year have a chance for a fresh start.

The Middle East has been a mess because:

(1) since their independence in the 1950s and 1960s, it's difficult for central government to impose a nationality over a region of different peoples (some countries had it easier than others). Also, most of the governments of the Middle East remain stable only through very oppressive measures, which help breed the future dissenters.

(2) competition between the Soviet Union and the US/NATO led to arms races within the Middle East, which lead to proxy wars and propped up dictators by the Soviet Union and US/NATO.

(3) having petroleum in the hands of a totalitarian or almost totalitarian government doesn't help either.

Right, but totalitarian regimes in oil-rich territories didn't happen by accident.

[thegreekdog]

The Middle East has been a mess in good part because of dictators like Qaddafi and Assad, most of whom were propped by outside government. The countries that have risen this year have a chance for a fresh start.

The Middle East has been a mess because:

(1) since their independence in the 1950s and 1960s, it's difficult for central government to impose a nationality over a region of different peoples (some countries had it easier than others). Also, most of the governments of the Middle East remain stable only through very oppressive measures, which help breed the future dissenters.

(2) competition between the Soviet Union and the US/NATO led to arms races within the Middle East, which lead to proxy wars and propped up dictators by the Soviet Union and US/NATO.

(3) having petroleum in the hands of a totalitarian or almost totalitarian government doesn't help either.

Right, but totalitarian regimes in oil-rich territories didn't happen by accident.

See #2.

[saxitoxin]

We are getting reports of websites being taken offline and accounts shut down for .criticizing NATO. Tony Cartalucci had the associated twitter account linked to his Thailand based site suspended 3 hours ago for seditious speech. You can read details at landdestroyer.blogspot.com. I am posting this from iphone so can't provide direct link. Regrets.

Total blackout now in effect as to what is going on in tripoli. Rumors of qatari and uae troops landed by french ships. Many foreign media ... including RIA Novosti have gone "missing." Meanwhile outfits that stick to story like cnn have free run to regurgitate rebel press releases that have been proven as lies (I.e. saif arrested). Libyan people are taking up arms to join the resistance by the thousands but are being mowed down in the streets by U.S. Apache gunships. Shares of French oil giant TOTAL up by double digits.

Absolutely savage butchery of the highest order.

[BigBallinStalin]

We are getting reports of websites being taken offline and accounts shut down for .criticizing NATO. Tony Cartalucci had the associated twitter account linked to his Thailand based site suspended 3 hours ago for seditious speech. You can read details at landdestroyer.blogspot.com. I am posting this from iphone so can't provide direct link. Regrets.

Total blackout now in effect as to what is going on in tripoli. Rumors of qatari and uae troops landed by french ships. Many foreign media ... including RIA Novosti have gone "missing." Meanwhile outfits that stick to story like cnn have free run to regurgitate rebel press releases that have been proven as lies (I.e. saif arrested). Libyan people are taking up arms to join the resistance by the thousands but are being mowed down in the streets by U.S. Apache gunships. Shares of French oil giant TOTAL up by double digits.

Absolutely savage butchery of the highest order.

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/08/battle-for-tripoli-greater-libya-still.html

How do Tony know, ya know?

[saxitoxin]

We are getting reports of websites being taken offline and accounts shut down for .criticizing NATO. Tony Cartalucci had the associated twitter account linked to his Thailand based site suspended 3 hours ago for seditious speech. You can read details at landdestroyer.blogspot.com. I am posting this from iphone so can't provide direct link. Regrets.

Total blackout now in effect as to what is going on in tripoli. Rumors of qatari and uae troops landed by french ships. Many foreign media ... including RIA Novosti have gone "missing." Meanwhile outfits that stick to story like cnn have free run to regurgitate rebel press releases that have been proven as lies (I.e. saif arrested). Libyan people are taking up arms to join the resistance by the thousands but are being mowed down in the streets by U.S. Apache gunships. Shares of French oil giant TOTAL up by double digits.

Absolutely savage butchery of the highest order.

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/08/battle-for-tripoli-greater-libya-still.html

How do Tony know, ya know?

All free media such as Novosti, Interfax, etc. have busily been reporting NATO war crimes while the mouthpiece press continue with the scripted narrative. Dr. Webster Tarpley is still on the ground in Tripoli sneaking out the truth for the CGR when he isn't being jammed by NATO. Numerous Algerian papers are telling horror stories of carpet bombing from refugees who have escaped across the border.

Meanwhile, CNN/FOX/NPR etc. continue their cheerleading drumbeat of reprinted NTC press releases that are repeatedly being shown to be fabrications.

Though I shall say I do appreciate a measure of skepticism from those who may not have first hand experience of nato terrorist nature. Likewise, though, it would be appreciated if those skeptics put some faith in those that do, such as qwert..

[BigBallinStalin]

We are getting reports of websites being taken offline and accounts shut down for .criticizing NATO. Tony Cartalucci had the associated twitter account linked to his Thailand based site suspended 3 hours ago for seditious speech. You can read details at landdestroyer.blogspot.com. I am posting this from iphone so can't provide direct link. Regrets.

Total blackout now in effect as to what is going on in tripoli. Rumors of qatari and uae troops landed by french ships. Many foreign media ... including RIA Novosti have gone "missing." Meanwhile outfits that stick to story like cnn have free run to regurgitate rebel press releases that have been proven as lies (I.e. saif arrested). Libyan people are taking up arms to join the resistance by the thousands but are being mowed down in the streets by U.S. Apache gunships. Shares of French oil giant TOTAL up by double digits.

Absolutely savage butchery of the highest order.

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/08/battle-for-tripoli-greater-libya-still.html

How do Tony know, ya know?

All free media such as Novosti, Interfax, etc. have busily been reporting NATO war crimes while the mouthpiece press continue with the scripted narrative. Dr. Webster Tarpley is still on the ground in Tripoli sneaking out the truth for the CGR when he isn't being jammed by NATO. Numerous Algerian papers are telling horror stories of carpet bombing from refugees who have escaped across the border.

Meanwhile, CNN/FOX/NPR etc. continue their cheerleading drumbeat of reprinted NTC press releases that are repeatedly being shown to be fabrications.

And what about the validity of Tony's report? What are his credentials?

Most importantly, why should we trust his information?

[Qwert]

nothing new, carpet and cluster bomb NATO(us) use in mine country to attack towns,and in one of those attack 13 civilian be killed,ofcourse famouse Nato(us) explanation.COlateral Damage.no need to say more, why some people supprise with that, its true.
Nato(us) kill many times civilians in IRaq,Afghanistan,and now LIbya, but one simple word put unbreake defence for all soldiers and commanders of Nato(us)-COLATERAL DAMAGE. One pilot can kill in one attack with cluster bomb -50-100 civilians,and he only need to say "COLATERAL DAMAGE", and then people who survive these attack,need to say "Ohhh,then these is ok, in one second we think that you intentionaly drop forbiden cluster bombs to kill civilians,sorry our mistake"

[saxitoxin]

I edited my original post.

As for tony, he had a long and resPected journalistic career with the iht, iirc, and had extensively covered the thai regime for respected sources such as novosti. All his comments on libya are correctly cited as per the example you linked. at the end of day however the more pertinent question is how can you trust western media who lately say their reports are based on unverified social media posts just because they have a masthead designed by a mad ave branding firm?