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sensfan wrote:It's impossible to gain something from ckyrias' lynch on Day 1. We can't find out the scum because of the bandwagon on him (which I did join, quite rightly so) was 99% based on inactivity and disappearing. Is it possible that someone silenced ckyrias? It's a longshot but in this game like this we already know someone couldn't talk:DoomYoshi wrote:I don't always post during the day, but when I do I always make sure everyone is day-masoned too!
Now that I can finally speak, I will post my initial thoughts later tonight.
but we didn't notice it. It might have been a scum strategy to silence the inactive, although that might have been a waste of a move.
But, if he uses it against someone who turns out to be scum then it is great. Really, he seems like simply a creepy roleblocker variant. If he plays like one then there is no reason to lynch him unless we actually think he has anti-town alignment.dazza2008 wrote:Even if Rodion is town he is fucking us up. 1 less to vote each day and he could stop a power role at night. Luckily this time he did not as I am not a cop or doc but I can get info that could be usefull.
Are you suggesting that yoshi's post indicates that the scum have an ability that let's them prevent a player from talking? I didn't read that from his post at all, you think if that had happened to him he would have actually indicated it in a definitive way. I think the memes my on the verge of blocking out the sun here. Clearly "I don't always post during the day" line was simply a reference to his meme.sensfan wrote:Is it possible that someone silenced ckyrias? It's a longshot but in this game like this we already know someone couldn't talk:but we didn't notice it. It might have been a scum strategy to silence the inactive, although that might have been a waste of a move.DoomYoshi wrote:I don't always post during the day, but when I do I always make sure everyone is day-masoned too!
Now that I can finally speak, I will post my initial thoughts later tonight.
slowreactor wrote:The only evidence that I see of iceDagger skimming is his brief mention of 38 (now 39) pages giving him a headache. Can someone explain how exactly that leads to skimming, and why it's so bad?
If people skimmed the part where icedagger said he skimmed, then when the the skimming reach enough recursions to form a singularity?icedagger wrote:Right I've skimmed the thread now, and I've made an interesting discovery: 38 pages of solid internet memes can make you lose the will to live. I think this also explains 4chan.
DoomYoshi wrote:To be fair, my joke was partially a jokevote. I wouldn't actually condone lynching someone for saying they skimmed. For putting forward a WIFOM case is another issue entirely. Part of your argument is actually that strike wolf is scummy for posting so much. I will admit, this is the first time I have ever seen a case on someone that claims we should lynch them for activity.
Pedobear, are you allowed to not target somebody at night? If that is not an option, I can see no other option than to lynch you. Unless you can target yourself, we might be able to work something out.
icedagger wrote:As for the skiming part, which sheepfodumb and doomyoshi also use as a major justification for voting me- really? It's a 38 page thread, I didn't read every word of some of the walls of text discussing game mechanics.
icedagger wrote:Sheepofdumb- you at least broke my post up but don't seem the least bit concerned with addressing my arguments.
The claim- it feels like cover? What? The player I replaced had no heat on him. The reason I claimed was because we likely have a number of town players with night actions. I don't expect it to prove my town credentials one way or the other.
icedagger wrote:The "super aggressive push" is because I genuinely believe strike is by far and away the obvious lynch. You cite it as if it's some kind of evidence for me being scum but don't give any reason why.
The reality is I've raised my head above the parapet because I'm more concerned with a town win than my own survival, I don't really see how that can be construed as a scum tell.
DoomYoshi wrote:Test it on me. Tree stump is my favorite role anyway lol. Next time I am picking Wispy Woods as my character.
icedagger wrote:jonty125 wrote:vote icedagger for admitting to skimming! and wanting us to lynch a townie (yes he maybe voteless but our #1 priority should be scum not 'worthless' townies.)
For someone who thinks skimming warrants a vote you don't seem to have actually read my post. Quite a bit of it outlines why I don't think strike wolf is a townie. Strike has the added bonus that even if he is town it's not a big loss.
icedagger wrote: 1)He originally voted someone, before remembering he was voteless. If the extent of my role was voteless townie, I think I would remember the voteless bit. If I were scum though... the more interesting part of my role might well lead me to forget I had no vote. I know strike is in multiple games and it can sometimes be hard to remember what actions you do/don't have so voting when your voteless I can understand - especially when being voteless is extremely rare
2) Would the mods really put a voteless townie in the game? A player who has very little ability to impact anything would be a real bastard role and likely promote inactivity, which brings me to my third point... Yes, with a town influential voter and town double voter dead a voteless townie will help balance this out.
3) Strike wolf has been posting like a demon. He seems altogether too interested in the game for someone with such a crappy role.
This is the lamest point I've seen and I've seen OVER 9000!. He is showing an interest for the TOWN'S SAKE AND HIS OWN! For the town as strike is possibly one of the greatest scum hunters ever and he wins with town: alive or dead. Secondly for his own sake. No activity either a modkill or us lynching him 2 things a townie would not want.
safariguy5 wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:To be fair, my joke was partially a jokevote. I wouldn't actually condone lynching someone for saying they skimmed. For putting forward a WIFOM case is another issue entirely. Part of your argument is actually that strike wolf is scummy for posting so much. I will admit, this is the first time I have ever seen a case on someone that claims we should lynch them for activity.
Pedobear, are you allowed to not target somebody at night? If that is not an option, I can see no other option than to lynch you. Unless you can target yourself, we might be able to work something out.
I agree with this. Unless we have multiple strong cases, having to roleblock someone each night and rendering them voteless can be exceedingly detrimental to town. So if you are forced to roleblock someone each night, then I think the potential to harm town is greater than the potential to help town as it's essentially a random roleblock+ votelessness.
skillfusniper33 wrote:safariguy5 wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:To be fair, my joke was partially a jokevote. I wouldn't actually condone lynching someone for saying they skimmed. For putting forward a WIFOM case is another issue entirely. Part of your argument is actually that strike wolf is scummy for posting so much. I will admit, this is the first time I have ever seen a case on someone that claims we should lynch them for activity.
Pedobear, are you allowed to not target somebody at night? If that is not an option, I can see no other option than to lynch you. Unless you can target yourself, we might be able to work something out.
I agree with this. Unless we have multiple strong cases, having to roleblock someone each night and rendering them voteless can be exceedingly detrimental to town. So if you are forced to roleblock someone each night, then I think the potential to harm town is greater than the potential to help town as it's essentially a random roleblock+ votelessness.
If strike is truly voteless, why doesn't rodion just block him for the next night or two until we can try to find some possible power rolls that could be blocked. This means if he is forced to target someone then there would be someone that doesn't help us with the votes.
sheepofdumb wrote:Mine wasn't that major. I noticed it but it was the claim that caught my attention. Gotta build the strongest case you can, no?
sheepofdumb wrote:I find an out of the blue "don't touch me, lynch him!" maneuver rather scummy. PGO is a scum claim. It frightens people away from you which is exactly what scum want.
sheepofdumb wrote:So your argument is that we lynch a townie so the town can win. You believe that there is a 50% chance that strike is scum because he's voteless and that if he really is town he's just dead weight and thus a danger to the town. Strike only becomes a danger in late game if the mafia are winning. He makes a very poor day 2 lynch because the mafia have more chances to take out power roles. We need to stop mafia early in the game to reduce the amount of damage they do.I might consider lynching him day 4 or 5 if we have no leads because his presence becomes a bit more dangerous.
DoomYoshi wrote:skillfusniper33 wrote:safariguy5 wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:To be fair, my joke was partially a jokevote. I wouldn't actually condone lynching someone for saying they skimmed. For putting forward a WIFOM case is another issue entirely. Part of your argument is actually that strike wolf is scummy for posting so much. I will admit, this is the first time I have ever seen a case on someone that claims we should lynch them for activity.
Pedobear, are you allowed to not target somebody at night? If that is not an option, I can see no other option than to lynch you. Unless you can target yourself, we might be able to work something out.
I agree with this. Unless we have multiple strong cases, having to roleblock someone each night and rendering them voteless can be exceedingly detrimental to town. So if you are forced to roleblock someone each night, then I think the potential to harm town is greater than the potential to help town as it's essentially a random roleblock+ votelessness.
If strike is truly voteless, why doesn't rodion just block him for the next night or two until we can try to find some possible power rolls that could be blocked. This means if he is forced to target someone then there would be someone that doesn't help us with the votes.
He isn't forced. Got skim? I read your bloodsucking vampire bit but I don't think it is a totally solid defense. They could have thrown one such role in knowing that the argument presented would be presented. Effectively a WIFOM argument, so I digress. The thing is that we can't have you throwing random molestations around. If you think someone is scum and needs to be roleblocked, then why not just vote for them and have them die instead.
unvote vote Rodion
This is the beginning of the BW on you and I want to hear your reasoning for being a molester.
By the way, about earlier, I don't always miss my PR, but when I do it' because I had to rush to deal with something at work and just hit submit so it wouldn't be sitting there.
DoomYoshi wrote:Test it on me. Tree stump is my favorite role anyway lol. Next time I am picking Wispy Woods as my character.
safariguy5 wrote:Yeah, I mean, usually, if you're just town roleblocker, you would block someone because it only affects night actions and doesn't handicap them the next day. With the added votelessness, if the person you blocked is town, it hurts the town's ability to get a lynch.
This argument.DoomYoshi wrote:The thing is that we can't have you throwing random molestations around. If you think someone is scum and needs to be roleblocked, then why not just vote for them and have them die instead.
This seems reasonable enough, I don't think it is madness...Rodion wrote:Consider this: we still have 29 players alive, 27 voters if you consider Strike's claim and Dazza's crippling and I think 15 votes are needed. The lynch WILL get done either way and the person that was going to be lynched had Dazza a vote will still be the lynched person by the end of this day. I'll rethink my approach as we get to mid/late game, but, for now, I'm convinced that blocking people is the best course of action.
Since the extra voters have died, does the scale now tip an the game fall out of it's zen like balance?sheepofdumb wrote:This early on in the game I don't believe that a voteless townie is going to drag the town down. Especially since this game was balanced with a double voter and an influential voter.
spiesr wrote:Since the extra voters have died, does the scale now tip an the game fall out of it's zen like balance?sheepofdumb wrote:This early on in the game I don't believe that a voteless townie is going to drag the town down. Especially since this game was balanced with a double voter and an influential voter.
DoomYoshi wrote:Test it on me. Tree stump is my favorite role anyway lol. Next time I am picking Wispy Woods as my character.
chapcrap wrote:You all have posted thoughts, so now I will accept the challenge and post my thoughts as well. Consider this as a CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!!
Ok, first of all, whoever said that Rodion might make people mute (or something like that) because DoomYoshi didn't talk in Day 1, DY wasn't here day 1!!
Secondly, even though strike hasn't come on here to really defend himself since icedagger's accusation, I don't think he should be voted for. A voteless townie makes perfect sense with the other crazy voting shenanigans that have already been revealed in a couple other roles. Furthermore, why would he claim a crappy role like that if he was trying to hide as a scum. It's obviously not a person that the town needs, so it's an awful claim to hide behind. I don't mind lynching him, in the future, if there is nothing else to go on, but why vote out someone who is town when we should be scum hunting? Silliness I think.
Thirdly, icedagger saying he skimmed 38 pages of thread is no big deal. How much time do you want him to devote to catching up? He missed Day 1 of a 32 person game. Give him a break on the fact that he said he skimmed it. It's not like we had a lot of relevant information there anyway. Plus, he did at least try to come up with something for us. The one thing that is bad about icedagger is that he gets on strike for being too active. Really? That's your complaint. You think he should just ride the bench on this game because he didn't get an awesome role? I'm too active on the whole site and I have a crappy site role, that doesn't mean anything. To me this seems like someone trying to start a bandwagon on a good, active scumhunter.
Fourthly, Rodion, why do you gotta go molesting people? There's no reason for it. I understand the fact that he's pedobear and has the PR. I get his argument that the mod shouldn't make it that easy for us to find scum. The truth is, sometimes it is that easy. He may not be scum, but it sure seems scummy. Vig? SK? Cult of some kind? I don't know. What I know is that children weren't meant to be molested and I don't see how his role could be something that is helpful to town. He blocked one person and already found out they weren't a power role. Now he's just going to move on to more people and see if he can get any info from them. It just seems an awful lot like scum searching for town power roles.
In conclusion, icedagger and Rodion, I have my eye on each of you. I'm not voting yet, but I think when I do, it's gonne be one of you. Unless someone claims scum.
icedagger wrote:Right I've skimmed the thread now, and I've made an interesting discovery: 38 pages of solid internet memes can make you lose the will to live. I think this also explains 4chan.
Anyway, I've decided it's for the best that I claim since we almost certainly have quite a few town power roles and I don't want to kill them off. I'm Paranoid Parrot, town paranoid gun owner. Anyone who targets me at night will die.
Moving on, Vote Srike wolf. I'm honestly suprised he wasn't lynched on day one. He's claimed voteless townie- a role that actively hurts town even if he's telling the truth, since he can't vote scum but ups the number of people needed for a lynch.
I'm in 4 games right now. I think technically 5 when this game started. I don't always keep everything straight as far as my role is concerned. I usually glance at it once when I get it and then forget about it until later in the day. The rest of this is complete wifom. You assume scum based on the fact that I forgot I can't vote even though there are a lot of other possibilities.I'm not at all convinced he is a townie though, for three reasons:
1) He originally voted someone, before remembering he was voteless. If the extent of my role was voteless townie, I think I would remember the voteless bit. If I were scum though... the more interesting part of my role might well lead me to forget I had no vote.
2) Would the mods really put a voteless townie in the game? A player who has very little ability to impact anything would be a real bastard role and likely promote inactivity, which brings me to my third point...
since you haven't been in recent games with me, I know that you don't know my playstyle. I'm traditionally a very active player. I also know how to play a vanilla role as far as trying to be aggressive. How would you play this role? Or are you one of the ones who would go inactive?3) Strike wolf has been posting like a demon. He seems altogether too interested in the game for someone with such a crappy role.
Bearing all this in mind I'd say there's at least a 50% chance strike is scum. When you consider that even if he is town we're actually better off without him, I think he's a great lynch candidate.
Maxleod wrote:Not strike, he's the only one with a functioning brain.
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