Jewel of the Empire coordinates & xml (new xml?)

[Contrickster]

i understand you're upset but this is how things are done around here. i'm sure andy or keyogy can confirm that 4 way borders are bad.

imagine that the map will be quenched and soon people will start complaining the map has bugs, that they tried attacking from ganges to assam and it did not work. i know it's kinda stupid but it's better to solve the problem now than to have the map removed from live play in order to fix it.

atm you have 4 border problems.
diu <-> vinhiya
sundarbans <->calcutta
ganges <->assam
oudh<->jhansi

Okay,

Brahmaputra-Calcutta - since Colonialists have been strengthened it can be argued Calcutta now needs an extra border. I'll remove that 4 way.

Diu - Vinhiya - three territories involved. However doesn't change anything to move the Vinhiya border south.

Sundarbans - Calcutta - three territories here, but, again, doesn't change anything to move Sundarbans down the coast.

Thanks for your comments, DiM.


fireedud

My reasoning is that If that the people who own the Ganges, Brahnaputra, assam, sundarbans,eastern ghats, and Nizam are the same person, in a truce/ treaty or on the same team, they'lll take calcutta, with the 4 chances to strike, then it'll be easier to take pondicherry with the three borders, rather than the two.

That's quite a complex set up to change something significantly isn't it? Reasoning only mentions Eastern Ghats, which is in the Deccan.

I think giving Pondicherry two borders will make the Deccan less attractive to hold.

If you need to break up Colonialists there is always Diu, on the other side of the map. Colonialists face pretty much all the "Indian powers." Am I missing something? Thanks for comments.

[Contrickster]

* Borders adjusted slightly
* Any comments on the title? I think it looks bad but that may just be me.

[nagerous]

the title looks good maybe capitalise the t in the

[Gozar]

Looking very nice!

I miss the little elephant guy though

[Neilhouse]

4 way borders are commonly agreed as bad borders. they cause confussion. i don't think they do but many will start complaining. so it's better to avoid them. mibi had lots of 4 ways in siege and delt with them.

Again, that's form over function.

Jhansi - Oudh is arguably a non-essential 4-way so I shall remove it. Brahmaputra-Calcutta is essential.

i understand you're upset but this is how things are done around here. i'm sure andy or keyogy can confirm that 4 way borders are bad.

imagine that the map will be quenched and soon people will start complaining the map has bugs, that they tried attacking from ganges to assam and it did not work. i know it's kinda stupid but it's better to solve the problem now than to have the map removed from live play in order to fix it.

atm you have 4 border problems.
diu <-> vinhiya
sundarbans <->calcutta
ganges <->assam
oudh<->jhansi

Maybe I don't get it, but why would anyone not understand that they cannot attack from Ganges to Assam? It seems completely obvious that you can't to me. Was that just a poor example?

[DiM]

4 way borders are commonly agreed as bad borders. they cause confussion. i don't think they do but many will start complaining. so it's better to avoid them. mibi had lots of 4 ways in siege and delt with them.

Again, that's form over function.

Jhansi - Oudh is arguably a non-essential 4-way so I shall remove it. Brahmaputra-Calcutta is essential.

i understand you're upset but this is how things are done around here. i'm sure andy or keyogy can confirm that 4 way borders are bad.

imagine that the map will be quenched and soon people will start complaining the map has bugs, that they tried attacking from ganges to assam and it did not work. i know it's kinda stupid but it's better to solve the problem now than to have the map removed from live play in order to fix it.

atm you have 4 border problems.
diu <-> vinhiya
sundarbans <->calcutta
ganges <->assam
oudh<->jhansi

Maybe I don't get it, but why would anyone not understand that they cannot attack from Ganges to Assam? It seems completely obvious that you can't to me. Was that just a poor example?

in the updated image it's clear you can't but in the previous version there was a 4 way border. and this type of borders cause confusion.

[Contrickster]

Update 21

*New title
*Sorry, changed the background colour again. Goldish brown this time. Still dark.
*Spot the Elephant
*Spot the spelling error. (Not deliberate)

Small version


Large version

[DiM]

Update 21

*Spot the Elephant

in rajputana.

do i win something??


on a more serious note. the northern outside border is gray while the other boders are white. any specific reason or just a mistake?

[Contrickster]

Update 21

*Spot the Elephant

in rajputana.

do i win something??


on a more serious note. the northern outside border is gray while the other boders are white. any specific reason or just a mistake?

The borders which ordinarily are attached to Asian landmass are grey. The inner borders are white. The sea borders are yellow.


Are the sizes appropriate? Is the small version too small, the large too large? Or are they about right?

BTW I've fixed the spelling error and shifted the substitle "The Jewel in the Empire" to directly beneath "India".

Will update when I have a better idea what the sizes of the images should be.

[DiM]

on a more serious note. the northern outside border is gray while the other boders are white. any specific reason or just a mistake?

The borders which ordinarily are attached to Asian landmass are grey. The inner borders are white. The sea borders are yellow.

yes i figured this but since there's no asia around why keep them grey?

[Contrickster]

on a more serious note. the northern outside border is gray while the other boders are white. any specific reason or just a mistake?

The borders which ordinarily are attached to Asian landmass are grey. The inner borders are white. The sea borders are yellow.

yes i figured this but since there's no asia around why keep them grey?

Why not? It's a recognition the north border is not the same as the southern.


I'm going to adjust the image sizes for the next update. XML has been done except coordinates.

[DiM]

on a more serious note. the northern outside border is gray while the other boders are white. any specific reason or just a mistake?

The borders which ordinarily are attached to Asian landmass are grey. The inner borders are white. The sea borders are yellow.

yes i figured this but since there's no asia around why keep them grey?

Why not? It's a recognition the north border is not the same as the southern.


I'm going to adjust the image sizes for the next update. XML has been done except coordinates.

i'm not saying it shouldn't be like this but i was just thinking it's odd. but it's not bothering me.

[Contrickster]

Here's a screen cap of the coordinates for the small map.



Would you play this game?

[fireedud]

yes, especially if I was light blue.

[KEYOGI]

Well, this map has moved along quite a bit and I like a lot of the changes. The mountains are much better, but the desert still needs some work.

I like the new background, but prefered it when there was some dead territory land mass to the map. Perhaps you could keep the current style, but include the Indian Ocean?

The white font on the orange and aqua/teal continents is hurting my eyes. I'd look into maybe changing those colours slightly or adding a dark edge to the text. There also seem to be some issues with matching colours on the legend to colours on the map.

I think it would be nice to make India in your title stand out a little more. I'd also like to see something done with the legend. It's functional, I just feel it could be made to look nicer.

[Contrickster]

Sorry, I've just read your post KEYOGI. Done the XML but a quick glance at what you say probably won't require moving the circles...

Well, this map has moved along quite a bit and I like a lot of the changes. The mountains are much better, but the desert still needs some work.

What does that mean? As deserts I've seen goes I think mine's pretty good. Sandy... even some dunes there. What more do you want?

I like the new background, but prefered it when there was some dead territory land mass to the map. Perhaps you could keep the current style, but include the Indian Ocean?

What do you mean, include the Indian Ocean?

The white font on the orange and aqua/teal continents is hurting my eyes. I'd look into maybe changing those colours slightly or adding a dark edge to the text. There also seem to be some issues with matching colours on the legend to colours on the map.

Ah - legend doesn't have the texture.

I'll have a look at the colours again.

I think it would be nice to make India in your title stand out a little more. I'd also like to see something done with the legend. It's functional, I just feel it could be made to look nicer.

I like the fade... maybe more can be done though. Legend is uncomplicated. I could put more effort into that but I want to guard against over complicating things. I'm not an artist.


Thanks for your comments!

[KEYOGI]

What does that mean? As deserts I've seen goes I think mine's pretty good. Sandy... even some dunes there. What more do you want?

You've done a good job at representing a desert, it just doesn't seem to fit well with the rest of the map. I don't mean to offend, it's just my opinion.

What do you mean, include the Indian Ocean?

Hmm... I don't know how else to say perhaps you could try the ocean/dead territory element again.



^ Like that one ^

[Contrickster]

You've done a good job at representing a desert, it just doesn't seem to fit well with the rest of the map. I don't mean to offend, it's just my opinion.

I think what you are trying to say is it is hand drawn where as the mountains are "manufactured," drawn once and repeated.

I could take a section of my hand drawn image and repeat it along the border.

What do you mean, include the Indian Ocean?
Hmm... I don't know how else to say perhaps you could try the ocean/dead territory element again.

I'll try than when I change the colours.

[unriggable]

I would like it more if the images in the background are less subtle. Also, himalayas should be worth 2.

[Contrickster]

Keyogi

I don't want to look like I'm taking the piss with my comments but I am NOT an artist. Seriously. My talents are limited and I've tried really hard and done the best I can do. I've made some changes you have suggested but not all.

* Title changed. Larger and brighter. Subtitle moved to top right of map.

* Deccan and Himalayan continent colours adjusted so I hope it hurts your eyes less now .

Sorry, not -

* Reinstated Asian landmass. 1. It looks horrible. 2. The map is original and distinctive because it is "floating" style. 3. There has been strong support throughout development for the floating style. Non-floating style may be your preference and I'm not going to say your preference is wrong but it is not right for this map.

* Done a lot more with the legend. Adjusted it a bit and got the correct colours. I want a clean, uncomplicated, unpatterned look. The legend achieves this. Gives the relevant information without any fuss. It might not be Picasso but there is nothing wrong with clean & crisp as it is.

* Changed the desert. It looks great. Tried copying and pasting a small section but, predictably, that looks awful.

So, without further a-do

Small


Large

I would like it more if the images in the background are less subtle. Also, himalayas should be worth 2.

Himalayas are worth 3 for a reason. Why do you suggest two? Have you taken account of the other continents, the arrangement of the continents, the likely position of play after 10-20 rounds? I have Himalayas ceases to be a continent of any relevance if you make it 2 bonus armies. 4 bonus armies would be too much of course because of the two defending territories. 3 is just right.


XML done.

[Lone.prophet]

fix colors and brightness, looking at it hurts my eyes

[Neilhouse]

Agreed. I'm a big fan of this map, but the colors and brightness of this map are hurting my eyes. Particularly Sikhs, Hindus, Deccan and Colonialists. Any way to keep the same colors while toning down the brightness? Also, in the key Mughals looks dark orange while on the map it looks red.

[fireedud]

the way you put Jewel in the Empire, it looks like your name, if I didn't know any better.

[Contrickster]

The apparent difference in colour between the legend and territories is an optical illusion. It's the same colour.

I can do something to make the map less bright... I'll update in a minute.

the way you put Jewel in the Empire, it looks like your name, if I didn't know any better.

But you do know better... my sig is at the bottom left and the map will be called "Jewel in the Empire."

[Contrickster]

Taken the glare off - except the title, which is brighter now.