Rhetoric and the Libya Situation

[BigBallinStalin]

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Attacking the above with an elitist approach (i.e. elite group A controls everything) is somewhat useful had Al-Jazeera not had a history of being denied press coverage for several years in Iraq and Afghanistan by the US government. To strengthen a case in support of Libya not really having any rebels partake in its revolution, why not mention that compliance in these cities was purchased by Qatari officials? They simply paid for Libyan rebels to control various sectors of each city. Wouldn't this fit better with your art of propaganda?

[BigBallinStalin]

Furthermore, the video you posted is very cheap propaganda: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H51Nn93iF0

The curtains are similar to the curtains in a Best Western, which I graced with my presence last week in Austin, Texas. The alleged "Green Soldier" is most likely the concierge wearing a silly keffiyeh while using a terribly fake accent to add legitimacy to the scene. His constant looks to the right are overplayed, and it indicates that he's receiving positive feedback from his "comrades of propaganda" for his message to the interviewer.

The claims can't be taken seriously because the propaganda is too easy to penetrate.

[General_Tao]

About 20 posts into this forum, I found out it was totally pointless to debate saxi. His arguments are not rooted in reality. He lives in a fantasy world where the GDR and its Stasi apparatus, or the Soviet puppet regime in afghanistan were some kind of utopia.

It is only from this perspective that one can understand his positions here, and also understand why it is totally useless to debate his weird vision of international politics.

[BigBallinStalin]

A bold claim, General_Tao.


What do others in the CC community think about saxi's analytical framework?

[Qwert]

well, sometime when you one storie repeat several time,people start belive, just look how US invade Iraq.
In past history,many "fact" what US propaganda show to people, after some time show that its not true, and maybe in these case with libya, everybody become supprised with another propaganda war,where people get served with another lies abouth goverment crimes against civilian,and who exactly fight against goverment troops. These days truth its hard to fight against lies,because rich countries use money to create false informacion,so that citizen can not see what its true and what its lie.

[saxitoxin]

well, sometime when you one storie repeat several time,people start belive, just look how US invade Iraq.
In past history,many "fact" what US propaganda show to people, after some time show that its not true, and maybe in these case with libya, everybody become supprised with another propaganda war,where people get served with another lies abouth goverment crimes against civilian,and who exactly fight against goverment troops. These days truth its hard to fight against lies,because rich countries use money to create false informacion,so that citizen can not see what its true and what its lie.

great points, qwert; Tao is a good example

[General_Tao]

I'd agree about most (if not all) the buildups into the Iraq war were propaganda, but Libya is a very different situation, much more of a popular revolution against a despot facilitated by tactical military support than a straightforward foreign invasion as was the case in Iraq.

Saxi's sig kind of reminds me of the label of one of my faviroute brews, Delirium Tremens from Belgium. I'm not sure if saxi is familiar with the beer in question, though he does seem to have a strong first-hand knowledge of the condition that is its namesake.

[saxitoxin]

I'd agree about most (if not all) the buildups into the Iraq war were propaganda, but Libya is a very different situation, much more of a popular revolution against a despot facilitated by tactical military support than a straightforward foreign invasion as was the case in Iraq.

5,000 Qatari ground troops, unknown (but acknowledged) quantities of UAE, French, US and British commandos, major weapons shipments (in direct violation of UN resolutions),8 months of operations costing $20 billion, more bombs dropped than all of World War II and (on the low-end) 20,000 Libyans dead and maimed from air strikes = "minor tactical support"

the propaganda machine is so effective in brainwashing the rank & file, I'm continually awed and impressed by its ability

Saxi's sig kind of reminds me of the label of one of my faviroute brews, Delirium Tremens from Belgium. I'm not sure if saxi is familiar with the beer in question, though he does seem to have a strong first-hand knowledge of the condition that is its namesake.

Of course! I'm celebrated for my boutique interest in finely crafted Belgian beers. I have noted my love of Trappist ale several times, here's one - viewtopic.php?f=8&t=117278&p=2597739&hilit=trappist+saxi#p2597739

If we meet, Tao, I shall buy you a Delirium Tremens ... AND THEN PISS IN IT.

[Johnny Rockets]

A bold claim, General_Tao.


What do others in the CC community think about saxi's analytical framework?

I think that if you take a stance, on any subject, you can find supporting articles and "evidence" from at least one news source on the net.
If you couple that with a good image editor, a sense of persecution, and a sense of self righteousness, then you have 80% of Saxi's posts.

I don't deny that some of what he flogs is truth, but he focuses on those truths and blatantly ignores any other facts that are contrary to his position of views. What he writes is then so slanted that the situation is completely distorted to match Saxi's opinion. He is eloquent, and entertaining. When you call him on his shit, he either ignores your question, or mocks you by discrediting your character, or your countries, or whatever it takes to take the spotlight off of his inconsistencies, inflated statements, and bizarre ramblings.

About 20 posts into this forum, I found out it was totally pointless to debate saxi. His arguments are not rooted in reality. He lives in a fantasy world where the GDR and its Stasi apparatus, or the Soviet puppet regime in afghanistan were some kind of utopia.

It is only from this perspective that one can understand his positions here, and also understand why it is totally useless to debate his weird vision of international politics.

I cannot agree more.


He is amusing. Like a poop flinging monkey at the zoo. You throw enough shit, and some invariably sticks.


Johnny Rockets

[General_Tao]

Of course! I'm celebrated for my boutique interest in finely crafted Belgian beers. I have noted my love of Trappist ale several times, here's one - viewtopic.php?f=8&t=117278&p=2597739&hilit=trappist+saxi#p2597739

If we meet, Tao, I shall buy you a Delirium Tremens ... AND THEN PISS IN IT.

The implication here is that your appendage is small enough to fit into the narrow opening of a beer bottle...

[saxitoxin]

A bold claim, General_Tao.


What do others in the CC community think about saxi's analytical framework?

I think that if you take a stance, on any subject, you can find supporting articles and "evidence" from at least one news source on the net.
If you couple that with a good image editor, a sense of persecution, and a sense of self righteousness, then you have 80% of Saxi's posts.

I don't deny that some of what he flogs is truth, but he focuses on those truths and blatantly ignores any other facts that are contrary to his position of views. What he writes is then so slanted that the situation is completely distorted to match Saxi's opinion. He is eloquent, and entertaining. When you call him on his shit, he either ignores your question, or mocks you by discrediting your character, or your countries, or whatever it takes to take the spotlight off of his inconsistencies, inflated statements, and bizarre ramblings.

About 20 posts into this forum, I found out it was totally pointless to debate saxi. His arguments are not rooted in reality. He lives in a fantasy world where the GDR and its Stasi apparatus, or the Soviet puppet regime in afghanistan were some kind of utopia.

It is only from this perspective that one can understand his positions here, and also understand why it is totally useless to debate his weird vision of international politics.

I cannot agree more.


He is amusing. Like a poop flinging monkey at the zoo. You throw enough shit, and some invariably sticks.


Johnny Rockets

Oh Jon-Jon, I had no idea you were so butt-hurt. I feel just terrible.

[General_Tao]

Haha, trapped (inside a bottle of belgian ale, no less...)

[Pedronicus]

A bold claim, General_Tao.


What do others in the CC community think about saxi's analytical framework?

What Saxi writes is the truth. the whole truth and nothing but the you can't handle the truth

[Pedronicus]

When Saxi gets involved in a thread - a lot of people get truthache

[Juan_Bottom]

I like Saxi, I think he's neat.

And this is a little OT but I can't wait till Snorri's term as president ends, so I can vote for Saxi. I'm even going to vote like Saxi, by casting 9 ballots.

[Johnny Rockets]

Wow Saxi!

A sig dedicated to me??

You ol' charmer you.......I think I'm falling in love all over again.


(However a J.Rock on the beavers chest would have been a nice touch....not to criticize...just sayin'...)



JRock

[AAFitz]

A bold claim, General_Tao.


What do others in the CC community think about saxi's analytical framework?

Well, I think Im answering this wrong, but I think seeing saxi, analytical and frame work in the same sentence is just funny.

You asked.