[Official] NBC Mafia Town Win MVP=trinicardinal

[strike wolf]

*sigh*

Strike makes case - no one follows

Strike makes case - no one follows

Strike makes case - no one follows

Strike feels insulted - no one follows

Strike makes case - TBD

IF you don't want me to make cases against you than actually refute some of the stuff I've had to say because so far you've only attempted to tackle small portions of my last two points in regards to your behavior.

As far as your argumentum ad argumentum mention. I don't care if people follow my case but I've had to beat a reaction to it out of some people. I felt insulted because even though many of the people in this game aren't posting a significant portion haven't commented on it. So yeah, I put effort into a case. I believe it to be a good case. I would like people to at least acknowledge it and when someone stated that basically there was nothing to go on without acknowledging it I felt insulted.

[BGtheBrain]

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[dazza2008]

Unvote Vote BG his defence has not sounded convincing to me and he sounds frustrated at being noticed so early. This case is a lot stronger than the betiko case. As BG said someone needs to get pressured and I think he is the best candidate for that now.

[BGtheBrain]

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[strike wolf]

Daz, why did you wait until now to decide to hop on board? Strikes case has been the same since Friday, trying to senak aboard perhaps?

You're dodging. I've refuted your defense. Added to my case and now you appear more interested in shifting the blame to others rather than continuing on trying to rebut what I've said.

[dazza2008]

Daz, why did you wait until now to decide to hop on board? Strikes case has been the same since Friday, trying to senak aboard perhaps?

I wanted to see how you responded to it. Also I wanted to post when I was sober. Making a serious post whilst drinking is not clever in my opinion. Now it seems you are just having a go at anyone who votes you. Instead of that why not discuss the case and defend yourself(if you are town, if you are scum then keep it up buddy ).

[BGtheBrain]

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[strike wolf]

Im just waiting until I have to claim and pointing out an obvious delayed bandwagon vote. If I was capable of debating you Strike, I would, trust me.

I dont have anything to say to your accusation.

I explained my vote on Betiko.

We had someone, who said something weird, so there is my vote. thats all there was too it.

But I forgot, you are voting me bc I was not active enough. I was not the least active. But not active enough for your liking.

If you think it's all about plain activity than you still fail to acknowledge the argument. You are right as far as I have repeated myself on some issues because when you defend yourself you don't address them adequately. this is the main one. I am not on your case because you were inactive I have been on your case because your only contribution to the game beyond defending yourself after the fact was the bandwagoning vote. The fine line being that this does not mean you were inactive. What it does show is you popping out to jump on the first bandwagon and providing support that your vote was a bandwagon vote. The fact that you did not address his defense shows that it was a vote made not to produce discussion but to move the case closer to lynch. Yes I will ground that in.

Oh wait, i didnt joke vote either. That definately is scummy.....

didn't joke vote, didn't provide an answer to rodion's question, didn't do anything but jump on a bandwagon without providing support on it.

My point is this. Your case is weak. It is neatly organized and now that youve repeated yourself 4 times, everyone believes it is the best case.

My point is this, I am not going to continue arguing back and forth with you about this. You are the superior player and you know exactly what to say to make me dig my hole deeper. I dont think you are doing this intentionally, I think you think I am scum.

How are you going to feel when you find out this great case was made against a townie?

For one thing it isn't the same case. I've shown how you've misinterpreted (multiple times) which I guess is where you get the repeating myself from but i also showed where you appear to have skimmed over more than one item and how it appears you are trying to shift attention onto others at this point.

If you turn out to be a townie. I'll do what I always do. Move on and hopefully we'll both be better from this.

As far as mod. I will agree with one thing his shift is a bit suspect.

[MoB Deadly]

Wait what?
Joke Vote stage is over MoB
Did you change your mind since 41 minutes ago?

The laugh was to confirm it was a joke vote!

unvote

[dazza2008]

Wait what?
Joke Vote stage is over MoB
Did you change your mind since 41 minutes ago?

The laugh was to confirm it was a joke vote!

unvote

Still seems odd to me. It was getting serious then you throw in a joke vote. FOS MoB

[BGtheBrain]

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[Rodion]

Just to make things clear, the reason I'm voting BG is the fact that he voted Betiko AFTER his defense was posted and did not adress it. A faux pas like this might be the biggest lead present in D1, but I'm hoping the mass prodding will add a lot to the table so we can find a more accurate target (or feel stronger regarding BG's case).

Just post who you want me to prod, I'll send out the prod's ASAP.

I'll run through and update my last posting list when i get home in an hour or so.

When you update the list, make sure you are making a new post instead of editing your former one!

From the top of my mind, I miss hearing from Leitz, Shield, Monkey, Epitaph, Chap and Medefe!

[Swifte]

Updated Last post list - I've done my best to make this 100% accurate, please no hard feelings if I've made a slight mistake, but I did look very closely at each players posts. Bold added to the two players who we haven't heard from in 4 or more days. Dates based on my own time zone (Central US)

Players
1. Leitz - 2 days ago (Saturday)
2. MoB Deadly - today
3. Rodion - today
4. jimfinn - today
5. shieldgenerator7 - 4 days ago (Thursday)
6. jonty125 - today
7. dazza2008 - today
8. trinicardinal - today
9. Swifte - today
10. drunkmonkey - 1 day ago (Sunday)
11. BGtheBrain - today
12. Epitaph1 - 2 days ago (Saturday)
13. betiko - 2 days ago (Saturday)
14. MeDeFe - 2 days ago (Saturday)
15. chapcrap - 5 days ago (Wednesday)
16. strike wolf - today

[trinicardinal]

Updated Last post list - I've done my best to make this 100% accurate, please no hard feelings if I've made a slight mistake, but I did look very closely at each players posts. Bold added to the two players who we haven't heard from in 4 or more days. Dates based on my own time zone (Central US)

Players
1. Leitz - 2 days ago (Saturday)
2. MoB Deadly - today
3. Rodion - today
4. jimfinn - today
5. shieldgenerator7 - 4 days ago (Thursday)
6. jonty125 - today
7. dazza2008 - today
8. trinicardinal - today
9. Swifte - today
10. drunkmonkey - 1 day ago (Sunday)
11. BGtheBrain - today
12. Epitaph1 - 2 days ago (Saturday)
13. betiko - 2 days ago (Saturday)
14. MeDeFe - 2 days ago (Saturday)
15. chapcrap - 5 days ago (Wednesday)
16. strike wolf - today

Hmmm... seems to me I've seen more recent posts from chapcrap on other parts of the forum..... yep, did some checking he posted in several threads today including the Stool Pigeon Mafia... so he's been in the mafia Forums...He's had more than 60 posts since his last post here, including at least 2 other mafia games... Strange that he hasn't posted here recently. To me that seems like some serious submarining. out of all his posts in this thread he has 4 serious/semi serious posts which don't really say much... is he trying to avoid selling himself out?.... I find this suspicious so for now - Vote chapcrap

[betiko]

actually I came to have a look and pretty impressed about the activity here.
I also came with an idea in mind. a few days ago, I voted chapcrap because his post and bandwagonning was the most suspicious to me.
I hear you about BG strike. not fully convinced yet. And mostly; chapcrap didn t defend from my accusations and he just faded away since 5 days i see from swifte's update! now this doesn t make me feel like dropping my attention from him. i remember that what I didn t like about his post was the timing more than the content. I see that shield generator, my first serious vote is the second one with the most unrecent activity.
So swifte's update isn t making me move from my initial thoughts. small cases I have to admit, but I have an eye on these 2 since the start, and I keep my vote where it is until I see a bit more from chapcrap.

[betiko]

just want to make something clear: I didn t see trini's post when I sent mine, he posted it while i was writing mine and checking chapcrap's last post.

[chapcrap]

Just to make things clear, the reason I'm voting BG is the fact that he voted Betiko AFTER his defense was posted and did not adress it. A faux pas like this might be the biggest lead present in D1, but I'm hoping the mass prodding will add a lot to the table so we can find a more accurate target (or feel stronger regarding BG's case).

Just post who you want me to prod, I'll send out the prod's ASAP.

I'll run through and update my last posting list when i get home in an hour or so.

When you update the list, make sure you are making a new post instead of editing your former one!

From the top of my mind, I miss hearing from Leitz, Shield, Monkey, Epitaph, Chap and Medefe!

Didn't realize I hadn't posted in here in 5 days.

I have been keeping up and reading. Just haven't posted because I haven't had anything good to say. I post when I feel I can add something and frankly, I have had nothing to add. However, since I haven't posted, I'll tell you my thoughts:

• I currently have a vote on betiko. I haven't felt strongly enough about another case to move off of that vote.
• I do appreciate strike's work on making cases.
• Strike's initial case against BG was weak.
• When BG did defend himself (on page 17), strike very nicely asked more questions (as a means to try to get BG to say something that he could pick apart).
• When he answered questions again, strike picked apart every piece of it (page 19).
• Before BG said it, I was already thinking that he had no hope because strike makes cases so well. He brings multiple points against the accused and if you don't strongly refute every single point, he will come at you again...and again.
• I don't have a huge problem with the BG case, but I don't feel like jumping on that bandwagon or coming to his defense.
• There is someone that I think has been acting scummy, but I'll wait and see how all of this plays out before I say anything about it.

FASTPOSTED by 3 people...guess that's what happens when I try to write a long post from work.

[chapcrap]

And I did mean 3 people, not 3 posts. So, fastposted by 3 people and 4 posts.

I can't believe I have been the most 'inactive' person in here. This is definitely the most active mafia game I have ever been a part of.

In response to betiko and trini, 5 days isn't a lot of time to not post something. I just happen to be in the middle of the most active game ever. And I am always active in every game and a bunch of forums. I already stated in my last post that I had been reading and keeping up with everything, I just hadn't posted anything because I didn't feel like I had anything to add.

Am I surprised that betiko stuck with his OMGUS vote? No. He doesn't know what else to do.

Am I surprised that trini voted? No. Trini hasn't been playing very well in my opinion, so voting real quick seems exactly like what I would expect.

[MeDeFe]

It's tricky to post something relevant when you log on, see 2 unread pages and have time to read only one, then you log off, come back some time later, and there are 3 unread pages. Finally I've had the time to read them all.

I was a bit uncertain of SW's case against BGtB initially, but after seeing how it has developed it looks strong enough to me for a vote BGtheBrain. BGtB has consistently failed to defend himself and properly refute the points brought against him.

[trinicardinal]

And I did mean 3 people, not 3 posts. So, fastposted by 3 people and 4 posts.

I can't believe I have been the most 'inactive' person in here. This is definitely the most active mafia game I have ever been a part of.

In response to betiko and trini, 5 days isn't a lot of time to not post something. I just happen to be in the middle of the most active game ever. And I am always active in every game and a bunch of forums. I already stated in my last post that I had been reading and keeping up with everything, I just hadn't posted anything because I didn't feel like I had anything to add.

Am I surprised that betiko stuck with his OMGUS vote? No. He doesn't know what else to do.

Am I surprised that trini voted? No. Trini hasn't been playing very well in my opinion, so voting real quick seems exactly like what I would expect.

Well I am the first to admit that I'm not so good at this game... I'm still a noob. I am not so happy with my level of play at this point in time either... Then again your play hasn't been very good either imo considering everything you have said and you certainly seemed to respond extremely quickly after my vote. Let's examine your posts shall we?


you agree inactivity can be grounds for suspicion but you have been fairly inactive.

(Quoted from 8th Nov)

I agree that inactivity itself can be grounds for suspicion. However, I have just reviewed all players and all players in the game have posted within the last 48 hours. Obviously some more active than others, but far from deadbeats at this point. Dates are as of my own timezone I imagine.

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Agreed on this. However, I don't think that's something that we will be able to lean on in Day 1 in this game because I believe people will be more active as it's an official game.

I can kind of see the betiko and Rodion arguments. However, it's has enough WIFOM that it basically just leaves you using your gut either way you decide to lean. So, I can't really see a great case being made. I do like putting pressure on people when nothing is happening though, because I think it reveals things. So, unvote vote betiko

So you believe people will be MORE active yet you have been inactive the longest.... and you agree with putting pressure on - I'm fine with that as well. I thought that's what we're trying to do here... as far as I understand it voting for people puts some pressure on them!

Then there is this one (9th Nov)...

let s put the question the other way; out of the 16 who do we trust a little? to tell the truth, i think that rodion by asking this question is one of the guys i would trust the most... aparently you guys have played this a few times together so you know each other better.. this means that I don t trust SG7

unvote vote SG7

The logic in this betiko quote was the most strange to me. Asking a question about trust automatically makes Roidon trustworthy? SG7 making a joke about Roidon always seeming to be in the mob earns a vote and distrust? I just didn't follow this at all, and some above have said it could have been a diversion to get attention off of Roidon. It's not a strong case, just seems like the strongest we have to go on so far. This is just my summary of those events, others may of course have interpreted differently.

This. This is the case on betiko. I didn't restate the case when I voted because I was not the one who was online first to see it and point at it.

Trying to legitimize a joke vote that someone else made and use it against them.

Certainly not much coming from you here about anything major. There was nothing after that until you realised you hadn't posted and you claim you were fastposted by 3 people while typing your answer....maybe, maybe not either way you still are not saying much

Plus you contradict your self here given the level of activity in the game (Full quotes are earlier in my post).

I believe people will be more active as it's an official game.

5 days isn't a lot of time to not post something.

It seems to me that you are actively submarining. and trying hard to avoid saying much on your own that might sink you. All in all you are acting fairly suspiciously to me so my vote stays for now.

[trinicardinal]

I've just done some checking on shield... He has posted in 2 other mafia games on Friday and Monday so he's definitely around and in the Mafia Forum and he has posted nothing of substance in here with this being his last post (on Thursday as Swifte said)

a few answers:

-yes, it s my first mafia game (played in real life with friends a few times a game called the werewolf in france, that is exactly the same, but obviously with real life friends you know, well there are a few physical tells that you can t find in here...).
I didn t quite figure out if each game you play here are with the same number of scums and if all type of townie/ neutral roles are the same from on mafia game to the next or if the mod chooses each time a new receipe... (if it s the case, he kind of said watching the nightmare before chrismas movie could he... and i haven t seen it!)

-rodion, not voting for jimfin and voting for gh7 was because i thought jimfin's argument was irrelevant but not scummy; and gh7's pop out vote came out of the blue with this strange way to say "confirm" and kind of bandwagonning.

-I have 2 votes counted as well!

-sorry, Crouch's wife then (you call them wags in the UK anyway!)

hollo, mate. The name's SG7, don't know where you got GH7 from

Thanks for explaining your reasoing, it seems you just found something that stands out and had to go vote for it

Yes it's different playing on the forums because you can't see the people you're playing with. Here, mods use a whole bunch of crazy set ups. Some games are regular C9 games (mafia, cop, doc, & vanilla townies), while others have a whole bunch of crazy roles (like this one). So yeah it has a lot of specialization in it and each game is pretty much unique, only limited by the mod's imagination.

-GH7 ( )

I'll do some more analysis when I get a chance

[BGtheBrain]

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[betiko]

I m not going to requote all because the 2 messages I am refering to are quoted on this page by trini.

what made me vote on the first place for chapcrap was that he stated first that he hasn't a great case about me but he likes to put pressure on people. then Swifte says that what he holds against me is that i decalred trusting a little rodion, in a serious way, and then I make a joke vote about SG7.
I then justified myself, SG7 not being a jokevote from me but just what was at the time my biggest suspect.

chapcrap just pops out and says "This. This is the case on betiko. I didn't restate the case when I voted because I was not the one who was online first to see it and point at it."
The fact that he repeats the word "this" to start his post suggests that he is now 100% sure of his initial acusation. an initial acusation that was just there to put pressure on me!
Was swifte's message that convinving? was my explanation that hard to believe? an explanation he doesn t even refers to to try unjustify it!
Did he feel uncomfortable that I voted for SG7 on the first place?

Then he doesn t show up during 5 days and thinks it s unjustified that i kept my vote on him and that I didn t follow another lead, like BG's? so it was nothing but a OMGYS vote from me?

You wrote after my post chapcrap, why on earth should I have unvoted you at that time after 5 days playing submarines?

[drunkmonkey]

I have been keeping up and reading. Just haven't posted because I haven't had anything good to say. I post when I feel I can add something and frankly, I have had nothing to add. However, since I haven't posted, I'll tell you my thoughts:

• I currently have a vote on betiko. I haven't felt strongly enough about another case to move off of that vote.
• I do appreciate strike's work on making cases.
• Strike's initial case against BG was weak.
• When BG did defend himself (on page 17), strike very nicely asked more questions (as a means to try to get BG to say something that he could pick apart).
• When he answered questions again, strike picked apart every piece of it (page 19).
• Before BG said it, I was already thinking that he had no hope because strike makes cases so well. He brings multiple points against the accused and if you don't strongly refute every single point, he will come at you again...and again.
• I don't have a huge problem with the BG case, but I don't feel like jumping on that bandwagon or coming to his defense.
• There is someone that I think has been acting scummy, but I'll wait and see how all of this plays out before I say anything about it.

I've been following, but this pretty much sums up how I feel. I appreciate the time put into the BG case, I just don't feel it's strong enough to jump on. I'm on my 3rd readthrough now, trying to pick out the relevant posts from the fluff (of which there has been way too much so far).

[shieldgenerator7]

Hello again! Sorry, but not had time recently to check this thread (whew! lots of new posts! and plus I'm not online during the weekends).

But I'm caught up now and I have a few things to say:

Sorry for your lack of appreciation strike, I think you put a lot of time into those posts and they deserve recognition. I find I do not think BG all that scummy, but your case is strong and although I don't find himn all that scummy I must add that one time in LC I was mafia and advocated for lynching someone rather than no one so I pressured a VT. That got me lynched the next day. So I wonder if BG's not thinking the same kind of thing/strategy? And anyways I want to bandwagon today so i will VOTE BG I don't really feel like lynching him today but I want to add some pressure to get him to claim.

Wow, looking back thru these last pages, it's obvious that people have not been posting much. It seems strike, BG, MOB, and Rodion have been the most active so far. +1 to you guys
All you other inactives should get in here and post :X

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-SG7 ( )