Streaky Dice Question

[Condestável]

Yes, I think he has a list of thousands of people under his pillow. A black list that he exhaustively reviews every night.

It's logically much easier than having the game system to regularly favour premium players group as whole, isn't it?

You know, there's life beyond this site. And common sense.

[Army of GOD]

Yes, I think he has a list of thousands of people under his pillow. A black list that he exhaustively reviews every night.

It's logically much easier than having the game system to regularly favour premium players group as whole, isn't it?

You know, there's life beyond this site. And common sense.

Oh come the f*ck on. As I already said in this thread, I went a year as a freemium and I didn't notice anything. Ask the freemium members who are the top of the scoreboard. God damn, I seriously hope you're trolling because it'd suck if you were truly this stupid.

Oh, and you preach to me about 'a life beyond this site', yet you're the one who thinks a website is conspiring to give you poor dice.

[Condestável]

Yes, I think he has a list of thousands of people under his pillow. A black list that he exhaustively reviews every night.

It's logically much easier than having the game system to regularly favour premium players group as whole, isn't it?

You know, there's life beyond this site. And common sense.

Oh come the f*ck on. As I already said in this thread, I went a year as a freemium and I didn't notice anything. Ask the freemium members who are the top of the scoreboard. God damn, I seriously hope you're trolling because it'd suck if you were truly this stupid.

Oh, and you preach to me about 'a life beyond this site', yet you're the one who thinks a website is conspiring to give you poor dice.

The website is not conspiring, it's a business.

Freemiums that reach top without any premium account in the past are extremely rare. You say you don't notice any difference, other premium told me otherwise.

As for your remark about me, I'm not trolling. As you can notice it's always a minority who scold, troll and try to make fun of people who pose controversial questions.

No one has labelled and insulted others as much as you and a few others did. And I have the right to have my opinion respected. Common sense as I told.

[Army of GOD]

[natty dread]

As you can notice it's always a minority who scold, troll and try to make fun of people who pose controversial questions.

Oh please, please don't try to make yourself out to be some kind of revolutionary hero who is just trying to expose the grand scheme of The Man. That's how conspiracy theorists start their career, you know.

The whole "I know a conspiracy that no one else has noticed because the other people are blind sheeples" makes for a passable movie plot, but in real life it is extremely rarely the case. In a movie, the person thinking like that is the hero who ends up exposing the conspiracy and preventing the nuclear holocaust. In real life, he's getting committed to the psych ward for paranoid delusions. Or possibly hosting websites like This one.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If you have evidence that freemiums purposefully get worse dice than premiums, present it. Otherwise, you're just the guy yelling in a street corner how Coke and Pepsi are the same thing.

[Condestável]

Actually, Natty, you look more like a zealot than I look a conspiracist.

Conspiracism has been a useful scapegoat for zealots

Second play of the day:

Deploy 5 on Norilsk

11 vs 2

Piece of cake. Let's go...

563 65
111 62
313 55
226 65

Hm.. No go.

[natty dread]

Actually, Natty, you look more like a zealot

Conspiracism has been a useful scapegoat for zealots

No it hasn't.

But here's the thing:

1. You're convinced your losses are because premiums get better dice.
2. Every time you lose against a premium, you get validation for your claim.
3. Every time you win against a premium, you ignore it as an anomaly.
4. Therefore, you conclude your losses are because premiums get better dice.

It's such a classic example of confirmation bias, it's not even funny.

[Condestável]

Numbers not discrediting tactics.

[natty dread]

Ok, as per your request, here's some numbers!

34

2

571½

Let me know if you want more numbers!

[codierose]

my dice are normally bad
been looking at my dice stats for the last 25 battles
3 vs 2 3 vs 1 2 vs 2 2 vs 1 1 vs 2 1 vs 1
Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses
Assault -11% 12 16 -16% 7 7 0 0 +42% 1 0 0 0 -42% 0 1
Defend -2% 15 19 -11% 3 10 -11% 1 1 +58% 1 0 0 0 +8% 2 1
Total -6% 27 35 -14% 10 17 -11% 1 1 +50% 2 0 0 0 -4% 2 2
my question is because i havent got a clue what this means my dice seem better 2v1 what is 2v1?

[natty dread]

my dice are normally bad
been looking at my dice stats for the last 25 battles
3 vs 2 3 vs 1 2 vs 2 2 vs 1 1 vs 2 1 vs 1
Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses
Assault -11% 12 16 -16% 7 7 0 0 +42% 1 0 0 0 -42% 0 1
Defend -2% 15 19 -11% 3 10 -11% 1 1 +58% 1 0 0 0 +8% 2 1
Total -6% 27 35 -14% 10 17 -11% 1 1 +50% 2 0 0 0 -4% 2 2
my question is because i havent got a clue what this means my dice seem better 2v1 what is 2v1?

It doesn't mean anything, last 25 battles is a too small sample size to have any significance. At most, it means that there's a normal amount of variation in the random numbers.

You need to look at the overall battle outcomes, that gives you a much better idea of your dice luck.

[AndyDufresne]

The website is not conspiring, it's a business.

Freemiums that reach top without any premium account in the past are extremely rare. You say you don't notice any difference, other premium told me otherwise.

You do have to factor in the difficulty for a Freemium (without ever having premium) to reach the upper echelons of the scoreboard---in general it is hard to or takes longer, because of the 4 game limit. When you have unlimited games, it is easier to compensate for any losses by having more games with wins. When you have 4 games going at a time, it is harder to do. But it isn't impossible either. I think Reto Vögeli -- 3720, has never been a Premium before.

We should play some games sometime. You play a lot of 1vs1 on normal/standard maps, and so do I.


--Andy

[natty dread]

Wasn't there a freemium conquerer sometime?

Currently, there's 11 freemiums in the top 50. So I wonder how'd those guys do it if they constantly get worse dice than the premiums...

[Geger]

Dice Conspiracy : freemium vs premium!! Hm... I have something (maybe this sample is too small, but who knows)

@Condestavel : If AoG went a year as freemium, I went 6 months as premium (not a year, because had to leave this site because RL).
And like AoG said, I didn't notice any difference either between freemium and premium. I can't check my dice stats as fremium and as premium, but with Map Ranks I found something interesting :

September 2008 - January 2009 (4 months) as freemium I gained +944 points
January 2009 - July 2009 (6 months) as premium I gained + 186 points
September 2011 - now (3 months) as freemium I gained + 262 points

Back to your statement :

I don't have any doubts that CC uses a stupid system which is proven to be far from real... specially regarding freemiums.

I think I agree with you about the bold part :

IF CC had a system to control the dice against freemium, the system might be stupid, because as freemium I could gain more points!!

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[AndyDufresne]

Dice Conspiracy : freemium vs premium!! Hm... I have something (maybe this sample is too small, but who knows)

@Condestavel : If AoG went a year as freemium, I went 6 months as premium (not a year, because had to leave this site because RL).
And like AoG said, I didn't notice any difference either between freemium and premium. I can't check my dice stats as fremium and as premium, but with Map Ranks I found something interesting :

September 2008 - January 2009 (4 months) as freemium I gained +944 points
January 2009 - July 2009 (6 months) as premium I gained + 186 points
September 2011 - now (3 months) as freemium I gained + 262 points

Hehe. You did play ~184 speed games as a Premium, which no doubt can contribute to large swings in points over a shorter period of time than 4 standard games at a time as a Freemium!

All of this, sounds like an investigation article for the Newsletter. hehe


--Andy

[canadian bacon]

PLEASE keep posting rolls, I just ask you don't cherry pick the ones that are favorable to your argument.....Please keep a list of your rolls and when it gets sufficiently long post it here..... I would LOVE to see it.

I have a good series of screenshots, though I have not patience for this fight.

Check for an instance my last 25 rolls against Red Army!, I would also tell you to check against xcoobyx and many others, but these stats seem to be ephemeral. Should have kept my own.

Battles against neutrals in games against premiums is yet another wall. In Antarctica for example I tried 2 different approaches. No matter how I play, the opponent number of troops will always catch up mine even before we engage in battle. I can't simply advance through neutrals like they do, no matter it's 5vs2 or 10vs2.

Then again, as I told, I have made my mind about this and won't take part of internet squabbles. There will always be a lobby committed to attack any person who raises doubts.

Then post them.

That's a really small sample size but it's about half as big as the IRL dice stats i posted a while back... Where are they?

Confirmation bias. I have just as much success as I do failure with neutrals.

In other words "I'm too stubborn to see things from any other point of view, but am running out of arguments."

I see you totally ignored my post prior, why is that?

[chevy1269]

Streaky Dice lol just plan unbelievable bad dice 31 to 6 and loose 15 to 3 and come out with 2 left I can not believe the dice rolls I have been getting and neither can my partners. In one game it took me 7 times with 6 men each time to defeat 2 nuetrals so its not only against other players. One double game i just deployed on my partners spots where he needed cause my dice rolls where so bad. This site is getting very discouraging to play. you can only loose so much and then you dont want to be part of it anymore.

[Geger]

Streaky Dice lol just plan unbelievable bad dice 31 to 6 and loose 15 to 3 and come out with 2 left I can not believe the dice rolls I have been getting and neither can my partners. In one game it took me 7 times with 6 men each time to defeat 2 nuetrals so its not only against other players. One double game i just deployed on my partners spots where he needed cause my dice rolls where so bad. This site is getting very discouraging to play. you can only loose so much and then you dont want to be part of it anymore.

Because you are a premium. About 6 hours ago a freemium killed a stack with 28 troops and lost only 6 troops (Game 10267258). Just another proof of my theory

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[RADAGA]

Christmas gift

CombatFigye: 254 - vs - Lof: 45
CombatFigye: 112 - vs - Lof: 46
CombatFigye: 312 - vs - Lof: 35

what a way to start a game...... odds for a double miss, three times in a row? HO HO HO

[zimmah]

Sorry, Natty, but I've played much more games in real life than here. I play here because the maps you draw are beautiful. Hands down.

The upset its that this randomizer does not give you a taste of reality. At the end of the day the average is 3.50 but it is too streaky and favours people who play tens of games.

Anyway, my rank is not bad for 80 normal games.

OH! OH! This guy belongs in the Nutty Professor category of dice complainers, correct???


http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=144298#p3144448

No, he hasn't posted any stats. Just "REAL DICE ARE BETTER".

Definitely an Equalizer.

well, it's most similar to equalizer but still not exactly. he doesn't want the dice to be 'equal' he wants the dice to be less streaky, i'd say make a new category:

"Retro" Complainers.

Complain that real dice are better then digital dice for whatever reasons.

[nippersean]

Christmas gift

CombatFigye: 254 - vs - Lof: 45
CombatFigye: 112 - vs - Lof: 46
CombatFigye: 312 - vs - Lof: 35

what a way to start a game...... odds for a double miss, three times in a row? HO HO HO

Dunno. 2.5 - 3%?

This a streaky dice thread, pls post impressive bad dice, even if they aren't true.
Like 17vs1 goes 0-1 and he reverse invaded me with a 1/2 and it was my turn.

It's like me saying,
"Hey guess what happened yesterday? Britney Spears and Paris Hilton came round, with a crate of beer, 6 bottles of champagne, 7 oz of Columbians finest, and rucksack of "toys""

Then you respond,

"Ha that's nothing, I was like playing kiss chase and got to give the 8th best looking girl a peck on the cheek"

[macbone]

Britney Spears and Paris Hilton? I'll pass, there, nipps. =) Now, if we were talking Monica Belluci and Eva Mendes? Yes, please. =)

[codierose]

just lost 14 on 1 hmm let me guess thats just random

[codierose]

cool now just lost 12 on a 2
cool just won the lottery twice in 5 mins

[Condestável]

Sorry, Natty, but I've played much more games in real life than here. I play here because the maps you draw are beautiful. Hands down.

The upset its that this randomizer does not give you a taste of reality. At the end of the day the average is 3.50 but it is too streaky and favours people who play tens of games.

Anyway, my rank is not bad for 80 normal games.

OH! OH! This guy belongs in the Nutty Professor category of dice complainers, correct???


http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=144298#p3144448

No, he hasn't posted any stats. Just "REAL DICE ARE BETTER".

Definitely an Equalizer.

well, it's most similar to equalizer but still not exactly. he doesn't want the dice to be 'equal' he wants the dice to be less streaky, i'd say make a new category:

"Retro" Complainers.

Complain that real dice are better then digital dice for whatever reasons.

Go belittle your mother, you ret.